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sorry, but not following exactly what you are trying to get across here
Christ is a life-giving spirit, but a spirit does not have flesh and bones. There are three that bear record in the earth; Spirit, water and blood (1 John 5:7). The Spirit was committed into the hands of the Father, (Luke 23:46) water and blood came out when the Roman soldiers pierced Yeshua's side (John 19:34). There are no witnesses inside the body of Christ; only flesh and bones.
 
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Christ is a life-giving spirit, but a spirit does not have flesh and bones. There are three that bear record in the earth; Spirit, water and blood (1 John 5:7). The Spirit was committed into the hands of the Father, (Luke 23:46) water and blood came out when the Roman soldiers pierced Yeshua's side (John 19:34). There are no witnesses inside the body of Christ; only flesh and bones.
Being in the body of Christ would make them alive at least. No dry bones there.
 
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Christ is a life-giving spirit, but a spirit does not have flesh and bones. There are three that bear record in the earth; Spirit, water and blood (1 John 5:7). The Spirit was committed into the hands of the Father, (Luke 23:46) water and blood came out when the Roman soldiers pierced Yeshua's side (John 19:34). There are no witnesses inside the body of Christ; only flesh and bones.

We (believers in Christ) have the Holy Spirit working in us now .... our spirit (our character) transforming our minds and hearts and we will be joined with a real body (heavenly immortal body- less sin) when Jesus returns and all the saved go to be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 3:16

Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Luke 23:39

See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Romans 8:11

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
 
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Being in the body of Christ would make them alive at least. No dry bones there.
Did you read and acknowledge what I wrote? Will you use Ezekiel's vision to explain the body of Christ? Ezekiel saw a valley of very dry bones; Ezekiel prophesied and he saw the army of Israel. Adam became a living soul.
 
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Did you read and acknowledge what I wrote? Will you use Ezekiel's vision to explain the body of Christ? Ezekiel saw a valley of very dry bones; Ezekiel prophesied and he saw the army of Israel. Adam became a living soul.
Imo they were talking about Israel coming together again.
 
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We (believers in Christ) have the Holy Spirit working in us now .... our spirit (our character) transforming our minds and hearts and we will be joined with a real body (heavenly immortal body- less sin) when Jesus returns and all the saved go to be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 3:16

Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Luke 23:39

See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Romans 8:11

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
When the glory of YHWH filled the temple; the priests were not allowed to enter the temple (2 Chronicles 5:14). As you stated Paul the son of a Pharisee called the believers at Corinth the temple of YHWH. No witnesses (priests) were allowed to enter the temple after the glory of YHWH filled the temple.
 
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We (believers in Christ) have the Holy Spirit working in us now .... our spirit (our character) transforming our minds and hearts and we will be joined with a real body (heavenly immortal body- less sin) when Jesus returns and all the saved go to be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 3:16

Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Luke 23:39

See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Romans 8:11

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Life is given to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that now dwells in you (Romans 8:11); but we know Yeshua gave up the ghost when he was crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2). The body is dead without the spirit (James 2:26).
 
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Imo they were talking about Israel coming together again.
Ezekiel prophesied to those very dry bones; "flesh and bones", Ezekiel prophesied to the breathe; the breathe entered those that were slain. We know prophesy pertain to future events; the army of Israel gathered together.
 
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Ezekiel prophesied to those very dry bones; "flesh and bones", Ezekiel prophesied to the breathe; the breathe entered those that were slain. We know prophesy pertain to future events; the army of Israel gathered together.
Tis off topic however you look at it.
 
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When the glory of YHWH filled the temple; the priests were not allowed to enter the temple (2 Chronicles 5:14). As you stated Paul the son of a Pharisee called the believers at Corinth the temple of YHWH. No witnesses (priests) were allowed to enter the temple after the glory of YHWH filled the temple.

Hebrews 4:14 ESV /

Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

Hebrews 7:12

For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law (mosaic law) as well.

Hebrews 9:24

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

2 Corinthians 3:18

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Colossians 2

9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

1 Corinthians 6:17
17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
 
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Life is given to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that now dwells in you (Romans 8:11); but we know Yeshua gave up the ghost when he was crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2). The body is dead without the spirit (James 2:26).

Life is given to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that now dwells in you (Romans 8:11); yes ... therefore we are the temple of His spirit

Mark 15:37
But Jesus let out a loud cry and breathed His last.

His last breath of life as a man ... and yes ... the body is dead when it becomes unable to breath to continue life
 
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Hebrews 4:14 ESV /

Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

Hebrews 7:12

For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law (mosaic law) as well.

Hebrews 9:24

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

2 Corinthians 3:18

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Colossians 2

9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

1 Corinthians 6:17
17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
Paul the son of a Pharisee studied the scriptures; he not only quoted the ancient scriptures, he explained the scriptures. Paul the son of a Pharisee letters are considered as scriptures. How did the priesthood change; if the earthly holy place is only a copy of the true one in heaven (Hebrews 9:24) ? We know that when a Xerox copy (from a copier machine) is made of an official document; the information printed on both documents are the same. Christ did not enter the most holy place located in the earth, thus he was not an earthly priest. We know Melchizedek blessed Abraham. The lesser is blessed by the greater. Abraham built and served at the altar.
 
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Paul the son of a Pharisee studied the scriptures; he not only quoted the ancient scriptures, he explained the scriptures. Paul the son of a Pharisee letters are considered as scriptures. How did the priesthood change; if the earthly holy place is only a copy of the true one in heaven (Hebrews 9:24) ? We know that when a Xerox copy (from a copier machine) is made of an official document; the information printed on both documents are the same. Christ did not enter the most holy place located in the earth, thus he was not an earthly priest. We know Melchizedek blessed Abraham. The lesser is blessed by the greater. Abraham built and served at the altar.

"Christ did not enter the most holy place located in the earth, thus he was not an earthly priest."

Correct, did not mean to suggest that He did.

"We know that when a Xerox copy (from a copier machine) is made of an official document; the information printed on both documents are the same."

The xerox copy analogy ... ok .... however, one can enlarge a document (make it bigger) on a copier and also select settings to improve the quality of the print (making it better).

no ... not a exact copy ... (earthly) a pattern a miniature , smaller, lesser model of the heavenly ... much like the original but not exact, the heavenly sanctuary is much bigger and better ... better because Christ is in it.

"How did the priesthood change"

Christ entered the most holy place in the sanctuary that is in heaven (the real one) ... He became and is our high priest from there, He also was the final sacrifice for all, so there was/is no more need of a earthly sanctuary/sacrificial system.

Hebrews 9:24

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands (the earthly one), a mere copy of the true one (sanctuary in heaven), but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

The Veil of the Sanctuary
Exo. 26:31-33, 36:35, 2 Chron 3:14

This veil or curtain between the two apartments of the Sanctuary, the Holy and the Most Holy, has great significance. This is because it was this veil that tore at the very moment Jesus died on the Cross, symbolic of the end of the need for the human Levitical priesthood as mediator between man and God ... Jesus is our mediator.

1st Timothy 2:5

For, There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus

Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luke 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

The veil represents the body of Jesus:

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

It is only by this veil (door) that access is possible to the Most Holy place of judgment. The tearing of the veil is symbolic of the death of the Lamb of God, which now permits the believer in His atonement immediate access to the Most Holy place of God, the place of judgment, through the new High Priest Jesus Christ, the one and only mediator between man and God.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The faithful have full and complete access to God, without the need of an earthly mortal priest to represent them.

The sanctuary in heaven is greater and more perfect

Hebrews 9:11

But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle (in heaven), not made with hands (a earthly one), that is to say, not of this creation;

Psalm 11:4

The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD'S throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.

Revelation 11:19

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Scripture identifies the existence of a heavenly sanctuary or temple (e.g., Ps. 11:4; 102:19; Micah 1:2, 3). In vision, John the revelator saw the heavenly sanctuary. He described it as "the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven" (Rev. 15:5) and "the temple of God. . . in heaven" (Rev. 11:19). There he saw the items that the furnishings of the holy place of the earthly sanctuary were modeled after, such as seven lamp stands (Rev. 1:12) and an altar of incense (Rev. 8:3). And he saw there also the ark of the covenant which was like the one in the earthly Holy of Holies (Rev. 11:19).

The heavenly altar of incense (prayers going up to God) is located before God's throne (Rev. 8:3; 9:13), which is in the heavenly temple of God (Rev. 4:2; 7:15; 16:17). Thus the heavenly throne room scene (Dan. 7:9, 10) is in the heavenly temple or sanctuary. This is why the final judgments issue from God's temple (Rev. 15:5-8).

It is clear, therefore, that the Scriptures present the heavenly sanctuary as a real place (Heb. 8:2), not a metaphor or abstraction. The heavenly sanctuary is the primary dwelling place of God.

Apologize for the long post. ;o)
 
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"Christ did not enter the most holy place located in the earth, thus he was not an earthly priest."

Correct, did not mean to suggest that He did.

"We know that when a Xerox copy (from a copier machine) is made of an official document; the information printed on both documents are the same."

The xerox copy analogy ... ok .... however, one can enlarge a document (make it bigger) on a copier and also select settings to improve the quality of the print (making it better).

no ... not a exact copy ... (earthly) a pattern a miniature , smaller, lesser model of the heavenly ... much like the original but not exact, the heavenly sanctuary is much bigger and better ... better because Christ is in it.

"How did the priesthood change"

Christ entered the most holy place in the sanctuary that is in heaven (the real one) ... He became and is our high priest from there, He also was the final sacrifice for all, so there was/is no more need of a earthly sanctuary/sacrificial system.

Hebrews 9:24

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands (the earthly one), a mere copy of the true one (sanctuary in heaven), but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

The Veil of the Sanctuary
Exo. 26:31-33, 36:35, 2 Chron 3:14

This veil or curtain between the two apartments of the Sanctuary, the Holy and the Most Holy, has great significance. This is because it was this veil that tore at the very moment Jesus died on the Cross, symbolic of the end of the need for the human Levitical priesthood as mediator between man and God ... Jesus is our mediator.

1st Timothy 2:5

For, There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus

Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luke 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

The veil represents the body of Jesus:

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

It is only by this veil (door) that access is possible to the Most Holy place of judgment. The tearing of the veil is symbolic of the death of the Lamb of God, which now permits the believer in His atonement immediate access to the Most Holy place of God, the place of judgment, through the new High Priest Jesus Christ, the one and only mediator between man and God.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The faithful have full and complete access to God, without the need of an earthly mortal priest to represent them.

The sanctuary in heaven is greater and more perfect

Hebrews 9:11

But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle (in heaven), not made with hands (a earthly one), that is to say, not of this creation;

Psalm 11:4

The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD'S throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.

Revelation 11:19

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Scripture identifies the existence of a heavenly sanctuary or temple (e.g., Ps. 11:4; 102:19; Micah 1:2, 3). In vision, John the revelator saw the heavenly sanctuary. He described it as "the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven" (Rev. 15:5) and "the temple of God. . . in heaven" (Rev. 11:19). There he saw the items that the furnishings of the holy place of the earthly sanctuary were modeled after, such as seven lamp stands (Rev. 1:12) and an altar of incense (Rev. 8:3). And he saw there also the ark of the covenant which was like the one in the earthly Holy of Holies (Rev. 11:19).

The heavenly altar of incense (prayers going up to God) is located before God's throne (Rev. 8:3; 9:13), which is in the heavenly temple of God (Rev. 4:2; 7:15; 16:17). Thus the heavenly throne room scene (Dan. 7:9, 10) is in the heavenly temple or sanctuary. This is why the final judgments issue from God's temple (Rev. 15:5-8).

It is clear, therefore, that the Scriptures present the heavenly sanctuary as a real place (Heb. 8:2), not a metaphor or abstraction. The heavenly sanctuary is the primary dwelling place of God.

Apologize for the long post. ;o)
Everyone knows that the copy is never made better than the original. The purpose of making a copy is so that the original may remain in its original place unmoved (smile). Although the printer settings can be adjusted, the "information" printed on both documents are EXACTLY the same; otherwise it is not a true copy. The "information" however is printed on official or security paper. The "substance" the "information" is printed on is different. Faith is the "substance" hoped for, evidence from things not seen. The purpose of copies is to transfer "information" from the original document onto regular less expensive paper.
 
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Everyone knows that the copy is never made better than the original. The purpose of making a copy is so that the original may remain in its original place unmoved (smile). Although the printer settings can be adjusted, the "information" printed on both documents are EXACTLY the same; otherwise it is not a true copy. The "information" however is printed on official or security paper. The "substance" the "information" is printed on is different. Faith is the "substance" hoped for, evidence from things not seen. The purpose of copies is to transfer "information" from the original document onto regular less expensive paper.
Christ was the copy of God, the exact image. New Jerusalem is a copy of the old tabernacle, which was a replication of the work of Christ. A new and better way contradicts what your saying.
 
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Everyone knows that the copy is never made better than the original. The purpose of making a copy is so that the original may remain in its original place (smile). Although the printer settings can be adjusted, the "information" printed on both documents are EXACTLY the same; otherwise it is not a true copy. The "information" however is printed on official or security paper. The "substance" the "information" is printed on is different. Faith is the "substance" hoped for, evidence from things not seen.

well we arn't really talking about Xerox machines here .... we are talking about the sanctuary in heaven ... where Jesus entered into the Most Holy place and became our high priest

Hebrews 9

Redemption through His Blood

11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come,d He went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made by hands and is not of this creation. 12He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify our consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!

15Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

16In the case of a will, it is necessary to establish the death of the one who made it, 17because a will does not take effect until the one who made it has died; it cannot be executed while he is still alive.

18That is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19For when Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, along with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people, 20saying, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.”g

21In the same way, he sprinkled with blood the tabernacle and all the vessels used in worship.22According to the law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23So it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made copy of the true sanctuary, but He entered heaven itself, now to appear on our behalf in the presence of God.

25Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

27Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

Colossians 3:2

Set your minds on things above (the heavenly sanctuary where Christ is), not on earthly things (earthly sanctuary - where Christ is not).

God Bless.
 
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Christ was the copy of God, the exact image. New Jerusalem is a copy of the old tabernacle, which was a replication of the work of Christ. A new and better way contradicts what your saying.
Yeshua is not the copy, Yeshua is the official or original. As you know original documents can be reprinted from the source. A Xerox copy is printed on a different "substance". Security paper is much different than regular copy paper at kinkos.
 
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Yeshua is not the copy, Yeshua is the official or original. As you know original documents can be reprinted from the source. A Xerox copy is printed on a different "substance". Security paper is much different than regular copy paper at kinkos.
Ok, I’ll go along with that because we are less perfect than Him, and will never be on the same level.
 
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Ok, I’ll go along with that because we are less perfect than Him, and will never be on the same level.
Employers and universities prefer or in many cases require the original document from the source not copies (smile).
 
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Employers and universities prefer or in many cases require the original document from the source not copies (smile).
The substance is still the same whether God, Christ or the new creation. Your grasping at straws.
 
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