LDS How to Become a God

Rescued One · Jul 15, 2019

He is the way said:
Faith is not to have perfect knowledge of all things. I do believe that God the Father is married and that we have a heavenly mother. I do not believe we have a Father only. From my personal belief (although we are not taught this as it has not been revealed to us) I believe that Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are also married. However my belief about this is different than you might guess and I am not going to elaborate because it is beyond what has been revealed.

As I suspected, you can not answer the questions. You have no revelation.

He is the way · Jul 15, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
As I suspected, you can answer the questions. You have no revelation.

It will be reveled in the Lord's time.

mmksparbud · Jul 15, 2019

He is the way said:
God is powerful enough to make us like Him:

(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:8 - 21)

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 19)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

(New Testament | John 17:20 - 25)

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

Our God is a powerful God.

He has the power to make us like Him. He did not say He would make us into another as Him. We are one together with Jesus. We do not become a physical clone of one another nor do we become a physical clone of God.

He is the way · Jul 15, 2019

mmksparbud said:
He has the power to make us like Him. He did not say He would make us into another as Him. We are one together with Jesus. We do not become a physical clone of one another nor do we become a physical clone of God.

Did you read this scripture:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:21)

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

While that does not mean that we will be a physical clone as Jesus is to the Father we can become heirs with Christ. Paul tells us to be of the same mind as Jesus Christ who thought it not robbery to be equal to God. We can be made perfect in one with the Father and the Son. God has that much power. He is able and willing.

He is the way · Jul 15, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Jesus taught there is only One God. So did all Jews.

A core belief of Judaism is that there is only one God.

This is a bad translation. The Hebrew is:

אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם.‏

The word אֱלֹהִים can mean "God". It can also mean Judge, Idolatrous god/power (note the distinction between God and gods), Important Person.

In this context, others translate it as "godlike beings", "angels", "angelic creatures". But definitely not "Gods".

I like the translation אֱלֹהִים as 'Power' or 'Powerful Ones.' That covers the different possible meanings of G-d, false gods, powerful people or angels. Those who are either powerful or are falsely thought to be powerful in this world.

In a Kabbalistic sense when G-d is referred to as אֱלֹהִים that represents G-d acting within nature, while Y-H-V-H represents G-d transcending nature.

Psalm 82 poetically plays on the different meanings of אֱלֹהִים to exhort judges to judge properly and support the weak and poor rather than favoring the rich and powerful. Here is my non-literal translation.

G-d 'stands' in the midst of judges and will judge them.

How long will you (bad) judges favor the wicked? Give justice to the weak, the orphan and the poor. Rescue the needy and powerless from the hands of the wicked.

They (corrupt judges) do not know nor do they understand that they walk in darkness.

I thought all judges were G-dly and powerful sons of the most High (i.e. good and righteous) But like all men, even powerful princes you will die.

Please G-d judge the world, you control all the nations.

There are now Mormons who come in under the cloak of "Christian" or "non-denomionational." I hope you are not one of those gujilty of lying for it is breaking one of the commandments.

The Bible teaches that for us there is only one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. We are to worship God the Father and no other. Do you believe that Jesus is also part of the Godhead?

mmksparbud · Jul 15, 2019

He is the way said:
The Bible teaches that for us there is only one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. We are to worship God the Father and no other. Do you believe that Jesus is also part of the Godhead?

Why do you ask AGAIN when I have repeatedly said yes?? Jesus, the ONLY SON, God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, One God, always existed as such and always will and there is no other! Only difference now is, Jesus alone also has His humanity with Him.

He is the way · Jul 15, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Why do you ask AGAIN when I have repeatedly said yes?? Jesus, the ONLY SON, God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, One God, always existed as such and always will and there is no other! Only difference now is, Jesus alone also has His humanity with Him.

The word God (Elohim) is plural so we could also say Gods and be correct.

mmksparbud · Jul 16, 2019

He is the way said:
The word God (Elohim) is plural so we could also say Gods and be correct.

God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit---ONE GOD. Anything else is against God.

mmksparbud · Jul 16, 2019

He is the way said:
Did you read this scripture:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:21)

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

While that does not mean that we will be a physical clone as Jesus is to the Father we can become heirs with Christ. Paul tells us to be of the same mind as Jesus Christ who thought it not robbery to be equal to God. We can be made perfect in one with the Father and the Son. God has that much power. He is able and willing.

We are heirs---we have been adopted by God---you do not adopt a natural child. And yes, Jesus kept His humanity, and we will have a glorified human body as He does. However, He also kept His divinity, and that we do not share.

Pedra · Jul 16, 2019

No coincidence that the Lds belief about becoming "gods" is very similar to the lie told in the Garden of Eden by Satan to tempt Eve. The idea to evolve into "gods" is just another deceiving twist on what we read in Genesis 3:5 : "....the serpent told her. 5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. "
The LDS was founded less then 200 yrs ago, by Joseph Smith, whose doctrine teaches that God was once a mortal man who progressed to "god-hood".
It should not be overlooked that this false teaching is also similar to what various gurus, & occultists have taught concerning false teachings of reincarnation & the afterlife i.e. that individuals can spiritually progress to become god-like beings. It's why they believe in communications with so called "ascended masters" or "extra-terrestrial beings" that come to visit from other planets etc. Christians that are well versed in Biblical theology & anchored in sound doctrine, can recognize it as what the Bible warns as teachings by "deceiving spirits". 1 Tim literally forewarns of the future coming of false teachers who preach the "doctrines of demons" that being imo, that their inspirational source will be from deceiving spirits ie. Not from the HOLY SPIRIT who over-saw the compiling of the canon of scripture that comprises the Judeo-Christian teachings. Joseph Smith's teachings are contrary to what the Bible teaches & expose him as a false prophet.

1 Tim 4: 1 " 1 Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the TEACHINGS of demons, 2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.…

Peter1000 · Jul 16, 2019

twin.spin said:
Jesus was not claiming to be the son of God (small "s")… he was claiming to be the Son of God (capital "S").

"Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" Jn 10:36 KJV

The capital "S" signifies that Jesus was referring to himself as being the second person of the Deity (Trinity) thus is why his enemies charged him with blasphemy and attempted to stone him.

John 10:33-39 King James Version (KJV)
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Vs 33 the Jews are going to stone Jesus because they think he has blasphemed God by saying that he is the Son of God and makes himself God.

vs 34 Jesus counters their ignorance by saying, "Ye are gods", and the scripture cannot be broken.

vs 36 So Jesus just called the Jews gods and he is obviously thinking, if you are gods, why stone me by calling myself God or the Son of God.

vs 38 He is the Son of God because the Father is in me and I in him, which is also available to the Jews, or any believer, they are gods too, because the Father can be in them and they in him. And if the Father is in them, and they in him, then according to Jesus they are god too.

Obviously Jesus thought of Psalms in a different way than you are.

Peter1000 · Jul 16, 2019

Pedra said:
We have no confusion about it. The point is you can't make scripture out just to say only what you wish.
You ignored the explanations you were given.

We ignore your explanations. You ignore what Jesus clearly said in the text.

Jesus's logic is impeccable: Ye are gods, so why be mad at me that I say I am God?
If the scriptures say that you are gods, why think that I blaspheme calling myself God?

Jesus says he is God because God is in him and he is in God. That phenomena is available to all of us mortals. If God is in me, and I am in Him, then I am a god too. Simple logic, Jesus is right on.

Pedra · Jul 16, 2019

Peter1000 said:
We ignore your explanations. You ignore what Jesus clearly said in the text.Jesus's logic is impeccable: Ye are gods, so why be mad at me that I say I am God?If the scriptures say that you are gods, why think that I blaspheme calling myself God?Jesus says he is God because God is in him and he is in God. That phenomena is available to all of us mortals. If God is in me, and I am in Him, then I am a god too. Simple logic, Jesus is right on.

No you are not a god too, that is deception. Human beings cannot become God. God has always existed , He is eternal , He is Spirit, we are created by God. Created beings don't become God. The Bible clearly states there is only one God. Lds breaks the first Commandment and ignores scripture that states that there is one God. Isaiah 46: God says I am God and there is none like me. Can't be clearer.
Exodus 20: 3" 2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 You SHALL Have NO Other gods before Me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol of any kind, or an image of anything in the heavens above, on the earth beneath, or in the waters below.…"

Isaiah 46:9 " I AM GOD, and THERE IS NONE like ME.
10 I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’…"

He is the way · Jul 16, 2019

mmksparbud said:
God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit---ONE GOD. Anything else is against God.

We agree that they are one God in purpose:

(New Testament | Philippians 2:1 - 6)

1 IF there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Peter1000 · Jul 16, 2019

Pedra said:
No you are not a god too, that is deception. Human beings cannot become God. God has always existed , He is eternal , He is Spirit, we are created by God. Created beings don't become God. The Bible clearly states there is only one God. Lds breaks the first Commandment and ignores scripture that states that there is one God. Isaiah 46: God says I am God and there is none like me. Can't be clearer.
Exodus 20: 3" 2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 You SHALL Have NO Other gods before Me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol of any kind, or an image of anything in the heavens above, on the earth beneath, or in the waters below.…"

Isaiah 46:9 " I AM GOD, and THERE IS NONE like ME.
10 I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’…"

Again you are ignoring that Jesus said, "Ye are gods" and the scriptures cannot be broken.

He is the way · Jul 16, 2019

Pedra said:
No you are not a god too, that is deception. Human beings cannot become God. God has always existed , He is eternal , He is Spirit, we are created by God. Created beings don't become God. The Bible clearly states there is only one God. Lds breaks the first Commandment and ignores scripture that states that there is one God. Isaiah 46: God says I am God and there is none like me. Can't be clearer.
Exodus 20: 3" 2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 You SHALL Have NO Other gods before Me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol of any kind, or an image of anything in the heavens above, on the earth beneath, or in the waters below.…"

Isaiah 46:9 " I AM GOD, and THERE IS NONE like ME.
10 I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’…"

Who said this?:

(Old Testament | Leviticus 26:12 - 13)

12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
13 I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

And this:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 43:10 - 11)

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:21 - 23)

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

It is obvious this was the pre-mortal Christ. He covenanted with Israel to be their God and Saviour.

Pedra · Jul 16, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Again you are ignoring that Jesus said, "Ye are gods" and the scriptures cannot be broken.

You are misunderstanding this scripture to fit with the Mormon false narrative.
The term "gods" was used in other scriptures in the bible. It means having those who had been given authority by divine appointment to rule over others as in Psalm 83 it is referring to the magistrates - or judges in the OT. & further states that "though they are "gods" they will die like men" In Exodus 7 the LORD God tells Moses , He made Moses a "god" to Pharoh-- does that mean Moses became an Egyptian god??? no, but that Moses had been given this authority over Pharoh.
Exodus 7: 1 "KJV: And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."

Pedra · Jul 16, 2019

He is the way said:
Who said this?:

(Old Testament | Leviticus 26:12 - 13)

12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
13 I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

And this:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 43:10 - 11)

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:21 - 23)

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

It is obvious this was the pre-mortal Christ. He covenanted with Israel to be their God and Saviour.

What is your point? There are not multiple gods. Men do not evolve and become gods and have their own planets to rule. The created cannot become "God" who alone is an infinite, eternal being that created all.
The Lord Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, He is the salvation of the gentiles, Jesus is one with the FATHER, Yahweh means "the God who saves", Yeshuah "the Lord is Salvation".
Pardon me, but why is it that when you disagree then are given an answer response in a post, you just ignore the points given to you and scriptures presented and you move on and present another question?

Pedra · Jul 16, 2019

The LDS is not Christian, Joseph Smith was not a prophet , he was a false prophet. You do not want to be where he is. Claiming people become Gods is blasphemy. It is denying the God of the Bible. It is presenting another gospel, it is adding and subtracting from scripture.

Peter1000 · Jul 16, 2019

Pedra said:
The LDS is not Christian, Joseph Smith was not a prophet , he was a false prophet. You do not want to be where he is. Claiming people become Gods is blasphemy. It is denying the God of the Bible. It is presenting another gospel, it is adding and subtracting from scripture.

You are saying the exact things that the Jews were saying to Christ. Christ refuted them by telling them, "Ye are gods" and the scriptures cannot be broken. Listen to what Jesus told them. If you are gods, then why stone me for saying I am God? Listen to the text, not what pastor Peterson says he thinks it is, or the Strong compendium says what they think it means, just listen to the text itself.

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