I don't see how you can possibly conclude that. Revelation 13:17 speaks of "the name of the beast or the number of its name," which already suggests more than one option.
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I don't see how you can possibly conclude that. Revelation 13:17 speaks of "the name of the beast or the number of its name," which already suggests more than one option.
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Some thoughts.
Christ called His suffering on the cross a baptism.
We Baptize in the Name of God. In the book of Revelation Christians have a mark as well.
the three stamps
the number of his name - which will be the literal number "666".
666 an unholy trinity of persons.
dragon=imitation of God
beast= imitation of the incarnation
another beast=imitation of the church
Man created on the sixth day. Man worshiping himself =66 =man worshipping the beast. 666
Jesus called Peter satan then accused him of thinking like man thinks.
the name - the person's name
The phonetics of the name is as unpredictable as the name of any other person. Although his name will fit the prophecies it s not important now because that's not how we will recognize him.
We Baptize in the Name.
the mark of his name - a symbol of some sort, imo.
Mark on the forehead=A heart/mind/soul
Mark on the hand=the works on earth
Note: Christians are marked only on the forehead.
The wisdom reference in revelation points to the 666 talents of gold given to Solomon from the queen of Sheba. Solomon=wise
I think it means the AC will have full knowledge of the material realm something like Solomon. The AC's knowledge will be mistaken for omniscience.
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Taking the mark in one's forehead or hand will be obvious to the Christian. What the symbol or mark is does not matter in regards to our figuring out if it is the mark of the beast. Basically if any dude shows up and says you need to put something in your head and or in your hand or forearm (so as to buy or sell), run for the hills. Granted, I believe the Pre-Trib Rapture will happen before that takes place.
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I didn't mean to imply just one option.
My point was the "666" option will be a number just as I typed it in quotes.
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Eloy, are you also implying that the name of the beast will be Solomon?
"666" , imo, will be the number just as I have typed it in quotes.
The name - I don't know.
The mark of his name - I don't know.
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What I don't understand is this.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Both of these involve wisdom to understand. Many conclude Revelation 17:9 is simply meaning Rome. I guess they base that on Rome having 7 hills. So my point would be this, assuming some are correct that it's meaning Rome in that passage. If wisdom came so easily in Revelation 17:9, why aren't these same people using some of this same wisdom to figure out Revelation 13:18? Shouldn't wisdom come just as easily in that verse as well? I only bring this up to try and illustrate a point, and not because I'm trying to bring Revelation 17:9 into the discussion.
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I have thought along those same lines and even wondered if the mark besides taking a step in human evolution would be also promising an extended life span(i.e. the Beasts' version of immortal life)
One would not be trusting in Christ for eternal salvation but in this "God" figure.
I always wondered about children and the elderly, i.e. people who can't consent to getting "chipped." They of course could not be held accountable, so not universal?
Therefore I think the Mark is going to be something that people will take that only fully consenting people can get. We are told they won't be able to buy or sell, though, without it.
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Even if the Greek rationale is weak, they can be both, at least in Hebrew. Maybe other languages.
That is how its "number" aspect would be obscured (in Revelation 13:18).
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Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
It looks like to me though, regardless whether they get the mark in the forehead, or in the hand, their fate is still the same. You appear to give the impression that having the mark in the hand is not bad as having the mark in the forehead.
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All through the scripture a reference to the head or forehead has to do with what we believe. To the hand, what we do, our works. To the feet, the way we go. Beast to the fleshly man. It isn't rocket science folks. It's called figurative language.
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The Bible wouldn't specify three forms for the mark, if it were figurative. (Nor give us a clue about its "number" form.)
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No it's all bad, and the Bible is clear that those that take the mark won't be saved, but condemned to hell for eternity. I was pointing out that there will be leaders, or true believers in the Beast System, or the Antichrist, and those that take the mark to save their skin. Neither of those will be saved, obviously.
One thing clear to me is that taking the mark will be a conscious act of the will.
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It might look a bit like an "F," but Ϝ (digamma) is not an "F." It sounded more like "W," and probably looked more like this:
And you miss my point: in New Testament times it was no longer used as a letter. It only survived as a numeral.
And the oldest New Testament manuscripts don't use that numeral anyway, they spell the number out in words (hexakosioi hexēkonta hex = six hundred and sixty-six).
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I got your point. The Greek initials theory has its flaws, but it is still viable in the Hebrew.
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True, but that doesn't mean that it must be fulfilled in the Greek.
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