Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

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Technically Golgotha was of the lower parts of the city of Rome. But that's not the point. The point is that he was crucified spiritually in Sodom and Egypt, that is, the whole world of sinful man. It says so. It is not about a specific physical location.

No, no, no. Not the whole world of sinful man. Read again.

Rev 11:7-8
(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
(8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The great city is New Testament congregation - where the Two Witnesses can be found witnessing with Gospel Truth - all over the world. Not Rome, not the physical city of Jerusalem, not the whole world. The two witnesses are the faithful people, and the streets of that city they are in is representing the church! Get it?

From what is written, it is clear that the great city streets (which symbolizes inside the church) have to be devoid of the testimony or witness of the saints there! They all have been killed there specifically because they refuse to follow the world, nor worship and bow down to worship the image of the beast therein! They are not killed outside in the world, they're killed right on the streets of that same great city, but only after they have finished their witness or testimony. And again, they were killed by God's people who resided there, just like the Jews did with Jesus Christ back in 32AD! As an example for New Testament congregation! Today, they are the false prophets, christs, and their unfaithful professing Christians who were tortured by their True testimony and witness against their disobedience. A great city is called "Babylon", "Sodom", and "Egypt" simply terms to identify THIS people's spiritual condition WITHIN the city that is supposed to represent God's Kingdom! Not the world. Listen, this is WHERE the true testimony was found killed (silenced) IN THE STREET of the GREAT CITY, a place where the professed Christians rejoiced?

Why are you guys wasting time-fighting over a physical location of Christ's crucifixion whether that piece of land belongs to Rome, within the city limit of Jerusalem, or Sesame Street. You guys are missing the point! What it said in the book of Revelation is spiritually discerned!
 
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Technically Golgotha was of the lower parts of the city of Rome. But that's not the point. The point is that he was crucified spiritually in Sodom and Egypt, that is, the whole world of sinful man. It says so. It is not about a specific physical location.

Where was Peter standing when he said the following words?

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Was Peter in Rome?
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No, those verses do NOT refer to the old Jerusalem.

They do.


Rev. 11:2, The "holy city" is a metaphor for the Jewish people wherever they may be found. In the Revelation the word "city" always refers to people, never a physical location.

Rev. 11:8, Again the "great city" refers to people. The word "city" in the Revelation does NOT refer to a physical location.

That is true for Babylon but not Jerusalem.


Rev. 11:13, The tenth part of the city was the inhabitants of the Roman Empire.


No, it was a tenth of the actual city destroyed by an earthquake. That is also significant because it's the only damage done to the city during the great trib according to Rev.

Revelation 11:8 means that the Lord was crucified in the world of men. It is not to be taken as a literal city or a specific location.

That's also incorrect. It simply means the two prophets died in the same area that Christ did.


Besides, the physical city of Jerusalem had been leveled 25 years prior to the writing of the book.

Which has no significance since it was rebuilt and has been standing for a very long time.
 
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Where was Peter standing when he said the following words?

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Was Peter in Rome?
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Yes, the Jews were to judicially to blame. But he was delivered to the Gentiles. It was the Gentiles who actually crucified him. He was the victim of Roman violence. The Jews did their executions by stoning.

From R.C. Sproul:
If we look at the intricacy of the drama of the events of Jesus’ crucifixion, we see that some amazing things took place so that Old Testament prophetic utterances were fulfilled to the minutest detail. In the first instance, the Old Testament said that the Messiah would be delivered to the Gentiles (“dogs” or “congregation of the wicked”) for judgment (Ps. 22:16). It just so happened in the course of history that Jesus was put on trial during a time of Roman occupation of Palestine. The Romans allowed a certain amount of home rule by their conquered vassals, but they did not permit the death penalty to be imposed by the local rulers, so the Jews did not have the authority to put Christ to death. The only thing they could do was to meet in council and take Jesus to Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, asking him to carry out the execution. So Jesus was delivered from His own people to the Gentiles—those who were “outside the camp.” He was delivered into the hands of pagans who dwelt outside the arena in which the face of God shone, outside the circle of the light of His countenance.

Second, the site of Jesus’ execution was outside Jerusalem. Once He was judged by the Gentiles and condemned to be executed, He was led out of the fortress, onto the Via Dolorosa, and outside the walls of the city. Just as the scapegoat was driven outside the camp, Jesus was taken outside Zion, outside the holy city where the presence of God was concentrated. He was sent into the outer darkness.

Third, whereas the Jews did their executions by stoning, the Romans did them by crucifixion. That determined the method of Jesus’ death: He would hang on a tree—a cross made of wood. The Bible doesn’t say, “Cursed is everyone who is stoned.” It says, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.”


The Crucifixion and Old Testament Prophecy
 
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Yes, the Jews were to judicially to blame. But he was delivered to the Gentiles.

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:


Joh 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Here they are said to have the greater sin, so Pilate's was the lesser sin.

It's a historical fact that the Romans literally nailed Christ to the cross and therefore killed him. Certainly the religious leaders were the ones behind it all and were the ones that wanted him dead but they used the Romans to do the killing.


Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Gentiles here refers to the Romans and it was the Romans that mocked, scourged and crucified Christ but only because the chief priests and unto the scribes condemned Christ to death and delivered him to the Roman's.


Matthew 27:27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.
Matthew 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
Matthew 27:29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
Matthew 27:30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
Matthew 27:31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

And so it was. Here we see that it was indeed the soldiers of the governor who were Romans doing the things that Christ foretold including the crucifying which was the killing of Christ.


Or to put things in simpler terms: A man murders another man with a knife. The man is the Religious Jewish Leadership and the knife was the Romans. The Jews were why it happened and the Romans were how it happened.
 
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It was the Gentiles who actually crucified him.

That is not what Peter said below on the Day of Pentecost.

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Either Peter was confused, or you are confused.

Pilot found Jesus innocent, and did almost everything in his power to release Him.

Below we find the words that Pilot heard.

Mat 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, "I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it."
Mat_27:25 And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children."
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Technically Golgotha was of the lower parts of the city of Rome. But that's not the point. The point is that he was crucified spiritually in Sodom and Egypt, that is, the whole world of sinful man. It says so. It is not about a specific physical location.

we can confirm the great city in revelation is, in fact, Jerusalem.


The great city is where Jesus was crucified.

Revelation 11:8 their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.

The woman, that rides the beast and sits on many water, is the great city

Revelation 17:8 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth

The woman, that rides the beast and sits on many waters =Babylon the great city.

Revelation 17:5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations

Revelation 18:21 So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence,and will be found no more;

The woman, who is the Babylon, the great city, is charged with the blood of the prophets and saints.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, nd of all who have been slain on earth.”

Jesus confirms that it is Jerusalem that is charged with the righteous blood shed.

Matthew 23:35-37 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate

Jesus also confirms that a prophet does NOT perish away from Jerusalem.

Luke 13:33-34 Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing

Thus, just because Golgotha was located outside of the walls of Jerusalem, does not mean Christ wasn't crucified at Jerusalem.
 
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Jerusalem was once, literally, called Sodom because of its unclean practices. (Isaiah 1:8-10; compare Ezekiel 16:49, 53-58.) Egypt, the first world power, sometimes appears as a picture of this world system of things.-Isaiah 19:1.

“Babylon the Great,“ the “harlot,” and “Jerusalem”-symbolically depicted in this scripture-all refer to the same entity: Christendom. In other words, the world empire of false religion.
 
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Jerusalem was once, literally, called Sodom because of its unclean practices. (Isaiah 1:8-10; compare Ezekiel 16:49, 53-58.) Egypt, the first world power, sometimes appears as a picture of this world system of things.-Isaiah 19:1.

“Babylon the Great,“ the “harlot,” and “Jerusalem”-symbolically depicted in this scripture-all refer to the same entity: Christendom. In other words, the world empire of false religion.

Where does scripture tell us to interpret it as the world empire of false religion?
 
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we can confirm the great city in revelation is, in fact, Jerusalem.

The great city is where Jesus was crucified.

Revelation 11:8 their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.

The woman, that rides the beast and sits on many water, is the great city

Revelation 17:8 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth

The woman, that rides the beast and sits on many waters =Babylon the great city.

Revelation 17:5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations

Revelation 18:21 So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence,and will be found no more;

The woman, who is the Babylon, the great city, is charged with the blood of the prophets and saints.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, nd of all who have been slain on earth.”

Jesus confirms that it is Jerusalem that is charged with the righteous blood shed.

Matthew 23:35-37 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate

Jesus also confirms that a prophet does NOT perish away from Jerusalem.

Luke 13:33-34 Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing

Thus, just because Golgotha was located outside of the walls of Jerusalem, does not mean Christ wasn't crucified at Jerusalem.
Yes indeed!!
Please visit my "Allusions to Revelation" thread:

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Spirit lifting, taking Ezekiel and John


Now this is really awesome.
Note both Ezekiel and John get taken by Spirit, 1 to Jerusalem, and 1 to the wilderness.

Ezekiel 8:3
He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven, and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem,
to the door of the north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was, which provokes to jealousy. [Revelation 17:3]

Revelation 17:3
and he carried me away to a wilderness in the Spirit, and I saw a Woman sitting upon a scarlet-coloured beast, full of names of evil-speaking, having seven heads and ten horns, [Ezekiel 8:3]

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION


One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation. That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

One man saw 235 references in Revelation from the writings of the Prophets.
57 from the Pentateuch.
56 from historical and poetic books of the Bible.

So anyone can see that Revelation is founded upon the Old Testament more than any other New Testament book! God is not going to give visions to His people using unknown references and symbols. The whole point is REVELATION! It is REVEALING!
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EZEKIEL AND REVELATION PARALLEL

1. THRONE VISION - (Rev 4./Ezek 1).
2. THE BOOK (Rev 5/Ezek 2-3)
3. THE PLAGUES (Rev 6:1-8/Ezek 5).
4. Slain Beneath the Altar (Rev. 6:9-11/Ezek. 6)
5. WRATH OF GOD (Rev 6:12-17/Ezek 7).
6. SEAL ON SAINTS' FOREHEADS (Rev 7/Ezek 9)
7. COALS FROM ALTAR (Rev. 8/Ezek 10).
8. NO MORE DELAY (Rev. 10:1-7/Ezek 12).
9. EATING THE BOOK (Rev 10:8-11/Ezek. 2)
11. MEASURING THE TEMPLE (Rev. 11:1-2/Ezek. 40-43)
11. JERUSALEM AND SODOM (Rev. 11:8/Ezek 16)
12. CUP OF WRATH (Rev. 14/Ezek. 23).
13. VINE OF THE LAND (Rev. 14:18-20/Ezek 15)
14. GREAT HARLOT (Rev 17-18/Ezek. 16, 23).
15. LAMENT OVER THE CITY (Rev. 18/Ezek 27)
16. SCAVENGER'S FEAST (Rev. 19/Ezek 39)
17. FIRST RESURRECTION (Rev 20:4-6/Ezek 37).
18 BATTLE WITH GOG AND MAGOG (Rev. 20:7-9/Ezek 38-39)
19. NEW JERUSALEM (Rev 21/Ezek 40-48)
20. RIVER OF LIFE (Rev 22/Ezek 47)
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Please also visit my "Great City" 1st century Jerusalem thread here"

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19


I am putting this up for a study, and this is my translation of these 3 chapters in Revelation concerning the great City/harlot/Babylon/Queen.

..............................Revelation 19

https://israelstudycenter.com/hebrew-hallelujah/
“Hallelu” (הללו) and “Yah” (יה).


1 After these I hear as a great sound of a vast throng in the heaven, saying,
"HalleluYah! the salvation and the glory and the honor, and the power of our God;
2 That true and righteous His judgings, that He judges the great harlot who corrupts the earth in Her whoredom, and avenges<1556> the blood of His bond-servants out of Her hand".
3 And a second time they have declared<4483> "HalleluYah! and the smoke of Her is ascending into the ages of the ages!"
4 And fall the twenty four Elders and the four living-ones,
and they worship to the GOD the One sitting upon the Throne, saying, "Amen! HalleluYah!"
5 And a Voice came out from the Throne saying: "Be ye praising to the GOD of us, all ye bond-servants of Him, and those fearing Him, the small and the great".
6 And I hear as sound of a throng, much, and as a sound of waters, many, and as sound of thunders, strong saying: "HalleluYah! that reigns Lord the God *of-us, the Almighty".
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we can confirm the great city in revelation is, in fact, Jerusalem.

The great city is where Jesus was crucified.
Jesus was crucified outside the gate of Jerusalem. Outside the gate means outside the city. Note that sinners are outside the gate of the New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:15). Jesus was no more crucified in Jerusalem than sinners are in the New Jerusalem. Outside the gate means outside the city.



Preterist John Gill: And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great
city


Not Jerusalem, which was destroyed when John had this vision, and which will; not be rebuilt at the time it refers to; nor is it ever called the great city, though the city of the great King; however, not in this book, though the new Jerusalem is so called, ( Revelation 21:10 ) ; but that can never be designed here; but the city of Rome, or the Roman jurisdiction, the whole empire of the Romish antichrist, which is often called the great city in this book; see ( Revelation 16:19 ) ( 17:18 ) ( Revelation 18:10 Revelation 18:16 Revelation 18:18 Revelation 18:21 ) . The city of Rome itself was very large, and the Roman empire still larger, so as to be called the whole world and the antichristian see of Rome has been of great extent.
 
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Jesus was crucified outside the gate of Jerusalem.


Irrelevant. No one is saying Jesus was crucified IN Jerusalem but AT Jerusalem and AT Jerusalem can be just a bit outside of it's walls.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Same basic area...not the same exact spot.
 
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Irrelevant. No one is saying Jesus was crucified IN Jerusalem but AT Jerusalem and AT Jerusalem can be just a bit outside of it's walls.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Same basic area...not the same exact spot.
It's not irrelevant. It is historically false to say that Jesus was crucified 'in' or 'at' Jerusalem.

First, you say that Jesus was crucified 'at' Jerusalem. But the gospel of John contradicts you. It says that Jesus was crucified "near" the city. Near doesn't mean 'at'. So Jesus was not crucified 'at' Jerusalem. He was crucified 'in' Golgotha which was a region. John says that Jesus was crucified "in a region" called Golgotha. The region began immediately outside the walls and extended out from the walls for about a mile. The spot where Jesus was crucified was located further out from the walls. Criminals were not executed immediately outside the walls or 'at' Jerusalem as you say.

Second, the term "great city" is a metaphor for people, not a physical location. The word "city" in the Revelation always denotes people. For instance, the "city" of chapters 21-22 is the Bride, the Lamb's Wife. It represents God's people wherever they are. It is not a physical location. The New Jerusalem is wherever the people of God are. Likewise, the "great city" where are Lord was crucified represents the persecutors of God's people wherever they [the persecutors] are. It is not a physical location.

Third, it says that the bodies of the two witnesses lie "in the streets" of the great city where our Lord was crucified. It says that the whole world sees them lying there. This is enough to show that we are dealing with symbols and that the "great city" is not a physical location. How could the whole world have seen two dead bodies lying in the streets of Jerusalem? Did they have the Internet? Note that the New Jerusalem also has streets (21:21;22:2). Yet we do not believe that they are literal paved streets.

Just as the New Jerusalem is not a physical place, so the great city where our Lord was crucified is not a physical place. Both are spiritual entities.
 
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It is historically false to say that Jesus was crucified 'in' or 'at' Jerusalem.

Get out any map of the world.
Then find the spot where Jesus was crucified.
Then make travel reservations in order to go to that site.
What will be the name of the final city on your itinerary?

When you get to your detination make your statement above to the travel guide.
Then come back here and tell us his response to your statement.


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Preterist John Gill: And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great
city

Not Jerusalem, which was destroyed when John had this vision, and which will; not be rebuilt at the time it refers to; nor is it ever called the great city, though the city of the great King; however, not in this book, though the new Jerusalem is so called, ( Revelation 21:10 ) ; but that can never be designed here; but the city of Rome, or the Roman jurisdiction, the whole empire of the Romish antichrist, which is often called the great city in this book; see ( Revelation 16:19 ) ( 17:18 ) ( Revelation 18:10 Revelation 18:16 Revelation 18:18 Revelation 18:21 ) . The city of Rome itself was very large, and the Roman empire still larger, so as to be called the whole world and the antichristian see of Rome has been of great extent.
It is mentioned as a "great City" in Jeremiah 22 and fulfilled in 70ad as shown in Revelation 18:

Jeremiah 22:
1Thus said Yahweh: Go down to the house of the king of Judah, and speak there this word, 2Say, Hear the word of Yahweh, king of Judah, who sits on the throne of David, you, and your servants, and your people who enter in by these gates. 3Thus says Yahweh: Execute justice and righteousness, and deliver him who is robbed out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence, to the foreigner, the fatherless, nor the widow; neither shed innocent blood in this place. 4For if you do this thing indeed, then shall there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting on the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people. 5But if you will not hear these words, I swear by myself, says Yahweh, that this house shall become a desolation.
6For thus says Yahweh concerning the house of the king of Judah: You are Gilead to me, [and] the head of Lebanon; [yet] surely I will make you a wilderness, [and] cities which are not inhabited.

7I will prepare destroyers against you, everyone with his weapons; and they shall cut down your choice cedars, and cast them into the fire.

8Many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbor, Why has Yahweh done thus to this great city? 9Then they shall answer, Because they forsook the covenant of Yahweh their God, and worshiped other gods, and served them.
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Rev 11:8
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[fn] Lord was crucified.
Rev 14:8
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon[fn] is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Rev 16:19
Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19


Rev 17:18
“And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
Rev 18:10
“standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'
Rev 18:16
“and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!
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Rev 18:18
“and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?'
Rev 18:19
“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.'
Rev 18:21
Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.
Rev 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy[fn] Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The vial of divine wrath, which had been so long pouring out upon this devoted city was now emptying, and JERUSALEM, once "a praise in all the earth," and the subject of a thousand prophecies, deprived of' the staff of life, wrapt in flames, and bleeding on every side sunk into utter ruin and desolation. This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! -- This fact is confirmed by Eusebius, who asserts that he himself saw the city lying in ruins ; and Josephus introduces Eleazer as exclaiming "Where is our great city, which, it was believed, GOD inhabited ? It is altogether rooted and torn up from its foundations ; and the only monument of it that remains, is the camp of its destroyers pitched amidst its reliques !"

Concerning the Temple, our LORD had foretold, particularly, that, notwithstanding their wonderful dimensions, there should "not be left one stone upon another that should not be thrown down ;" and, accordingly, it is recorded, in the Talmud, and by Maimonides, that Terentius Rufus, captain of the army of Titus, absolutely ploughed up the foundations of the Temple with a ploughshare. Now, also, was literally fulfilled that prophecy of Micah- "Therefore shall Zion, for your sakes (i. e. for your wickedness,) be ploughed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the LORD's house as the high places of the forest." (Micah iii. 12)

Thus awfully complete an ever, beyond example, were the calamities which befel the Jewish nation, and especially the city of Jerusalem. With what truth, then, did our LORD declare, that there should "be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world, no, nor ever shall be !" (Matt. xxiv. 21.) Such was the prediction : the language in which Josephus declares its fulfillment is an exact counterpart to it : "If the misfortunes," says he, " of all nations, from the beginning of the world, were compared with those which befel the Jews, they would appear far less in comparison ;" and again, "No other city ever suffered such thing's, as no other generation , from the beginning of the world, was ever more fruitful in wickedness." These were, indeed, "the days of vengeance," that all things which are written (especially by Moses, Joel, and Daniel,) might be fulfilled." Luke xxi. 22.
 
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It's not irrelevant. It is historically false to say that Jesus was crucified 'in' or 'at' Jerusalem.


It is false to say "in" but true to say "at". Christ was crucified at Jerusalem, just outside of it's walls.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

This says it all. Dead bodies in the street of the great city, the same city where Christ was crucified. The two prophets died IN the city, Christ died AT the city which can mean near it.
 
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The Boxer said:
Technically Golgotha was of the lower parts of the city of Rome. But that's not the point. The point is that he was crucified spiritually in Sodom and Egypt, that is, the whole world of sinful man. It says so. It is not about a specific physical location.
claninja said:
we can confirm the great city in revelation is, in fact, Jerusalem.
The great city is where Jesus was crucified.
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Preterist John Gill: And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great
city

Not Jerusalem, which was destroyed when John had this vision, and which will; not be rebuilt at the time it refers to; nor is it ever called the great city, though the city of the great King; however, not in this book, though the new Jerusalem is so called, ( Revelation 21:10 ) ; but that can never be designed here; but the city of Rome, or the Roman jurisdiction, the whole empire of the Romish antichrist, which is often called the great city in this book; see ( Revelation 16:19 ) ( 17:18 ) ( Revelation 18:10 Revelation 18:16 Revelation 18:18 Revelation 18:21 ) . The city of Rome itself was very large, and the Roman empire still larger, so as to be called the whole world and the antichristian see of Rome has been of great extent.
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It is mentioned as a "great City" in Jeremiah 22 and fulfilled in 70ad as shown in Revelation 18:
The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19
Rev 18:19 “They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.'
BABerean2 said:
Does the verse above sound like first century Jerusalem, which was in bondage to the Romans?
Jerusalem was under the bondage of the 1st century Judean Rulers/Priesthood and OC Mosaic Temple worship.
That ended in 70ad...........
Read Galatians 4 in conjunction with Revelation.........

Mat 8:12
“But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Just before the 70ad Olivet Discourse:

Matthew 23:4

"For They are binding burdens, weighty/barea <926> and ill-bearing. And they are on-placing upon the shoulders of the men, to the yet finger of them, not are willing to move them".

Galatian 4:
8However at that time, not knowing God, you were in bondage to those who by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, why do you turn back again to the weak and miserable elemental principles, to which you desire to be in bondage all over again? 10You observe days, months, seasons, and years. 11I am afraid for you, that I might have wasted my labor for you.

25For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to the Jerusalem that exists now, for she is in bondage with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
30But what/any is saying the Scripture 'be Casting-Out/ekbale <1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her, for not no shall be tenanting/inheriting the son of the maid-servant with the son of the freeone.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus going out of the Temple<2411>
Mark 13:1

And of His going out<1607> of the Temple<2411>
Luke 21:5

and of some saying concerning the Temple<2411>

Revelation 11:2
and the court/fold
, outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out/ekbale <1544> (5628)! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the nations, and the city/ the holy they shall be trampling forty and two months
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ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD


History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves
 
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No, no, no. Not the whole world of sinful man. Read again.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Why are you guys wasting time-fighting over a physical location of Christ's crucifixion whether that piece of land belongs to Rome, within the city limit of Jerusalem, or Sesame Street. You guys are missing the point! What it said in the book of Revelation is spiritually discerned!
Good question..........:)
 
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