About the resurrection and heavenly existence

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

com7fy8 said:
I see what you mean. You are saying we could be or serve "as" angels. But I think Jesus said not "as angels" but "as the angels". This can be different. Now, if we were serving "as the" angels, I see that this would mean we are "the" angels, the only ones, which I am certain is not the case. So, let's check the wording >

"as the angels" > in Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25.

And He is talking about how we will be, not directly making it clear that we will be. So, you've got the ability to see how a word can mean that. That's quite something

Now, Hebrews does say angels are ministering spirits for salvation. So, they are very important and active, right now, I would say from this. And I think of how the angel appeared to Jesus in the garden and strengthened Jesus >

"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him." (Luke 22:43)

So, if an angel could strengthen God's own Son, yes these angels are very important and capable. And Hebrews is very clear how the angels are less than Jesus; even so, God gives them the ability to even strengthen Jesus, I understand. So, then, they are able to minister to us.

Plus, this shows how God included His angels in caring for Jesus while Jesus was on earth. God did not do it all by Himself. So, I see from this how our Father wants to do things as family, including us in His own work . . . if He even used an angel to strengthen Christ Himself.

So, this can mean God desires to use us in His work of salvation and conforming us "to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (see Romans 8:29) And, lo and behold, our Apostle Paul is clear how he submits to how God has him ministering for people to become "perfect in Christ Jesus" > Colossians 1:28-29.

And we, too, minister for one another to grow in Jesus.

So, yes, we have the power with God to minister to Jesus in one another, that Jesus may grow and become stronger in every one of us . . . as it is written that we >

"speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ" (in Ephesians 4:15).

Thanks I'm starting to see that "as" is "like". You know the interesting thing I found was that Angels sometimes have bodies.

Ronald · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
Right but if I say, "you will be visiting them as president", then you are acting president? To me the KJV indicates we will be angels. How can it mean like? I'm trying to understand why people don't think we will be angels, also because if not then who are these angels and where do they come from? Are they not Gods children or are they some other people?

Is there reference in the bible regarding angels identifying them as those that have died and been resurrected? I'll look.

The president is a human, that's not a good analogy. It's a title not a kind of being. "That man acted like an animal " doesn't mean he is one. "The Holy Spirit appeared a dove" doesn't mean He is one.
However, we will be redeemed, transformed from our flesh into an eternal body, capable of multi-dimensional travel, appearing , disappearing, flying, AS Jesus did. We will be like Jesus and like angels. This eternal body with many more abilities, abilities that Angels have is what is meant by being "like" or "as" angels.
Angels were created for a purpose, some fell from their position and so are not redeemable. We are more valuable than the angels to God, which is why Satan and his demonic horde were envious of us. Lucifer was on the top, the most glorious, powerful, beautiful angel until he rebelled. He found out what his purpose was and didn't like it. Hence he became our accuser, seeking to destroy us. GOD became a man to die for us, a sacrifice the angels would not benefit from.
Angels worked to protect us and give us messages, they were made to serve God and us. I don't know what their purpose will be once we are all resurrected.

Alithis · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
Right but if I say, "you will be visiting them as president", then you are acting president? To me the KJV indicates we will be angels. How can it mean like? I'm trying to understand why people don't think we will be angels, also because if not then who are these angels and where do they come from? Are they not Gods children or are they some other people?

Is there reference in the bible regarding angels identifying them as those that have died and been resurrected? I'll look.

Angels are not new creations in Christ Jesus..

Strong in Him · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So KJV indicates we will become angels,

No, it says AS the angels - as the angels of God in heaven are, unmarried; so shall we be.
It doesn't use the word Become.

Eloy Craft · Jul 14, 2019

Jesus is saying that there is no marriage in heaven because we no longer die. That's how we are like angels they don't die.

Maria Billingsley · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
The bible spells out: Matthew 22:30

New International Version:

"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"

KJV:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So KJV indicates we will become angels, the the new international version is that we will be something like angels.

So which is it, will people be made into angels of God in heaven after the resurrection?

We will be like Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He is the first to be resurrected. The first fruits. We can understand that our condition will be the same as we will dwell with Him in His Kingdom.

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
The bible spells out: Matthew 22:30

New International Version:

"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"

KJV:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So KJV indicates we will become angels, the the new international version is that we will be something like angels.

So which is it, will people be made into angels of God in heaven after the resurrection?

It says "as" or "like" angels...meaning angels do not marry.

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
It says "as" or "like" angels...meaning angels do not marry.

I'm starting to see that. It gives a slight description of heaven and angels.

PROPHECYKID · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
Thanks Jen35, I'm particularly interesting in the angels the bible talks about that had bodies, the two visiting angels of Lot that ate a meal with him Genesis 19:1-38, and those that we are not to turn away Hebrews 13:2.

The way I see it, they could not have bodies unless they were resurrected beings. Which indicates that angel is a term used for resurrected beings and messenger spirits.

You can't use the two visiting angels to lot as an example of the form of angels.These angels changed their form. Angels have the ability to imitate human form. Demon spirits do this all the time. When you go to a seance for instance, expecting to see your dead loved one, it is a demon spirit (fallen angel) imitating them.

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

PROPHECYKID said:
You can't use the two visiting angels to lot as an example of the form of angels.These angels changed their form. Angels have the ability to imitate human form. Demon spirits do this all the time. When you go to a seance for instance, expecting to see your dead loved one, it is a demon spirit (fallen angel) imitating them.

Yet spirits don't eat meals, like the two angels sat down and ate a meal with Lot?

His student · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
The bible spells out: Matthew 22:30 New International Version:
"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"
KJV: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
So KJV indicates we will become angels, the the new international version is that we will be something like angels. So which is it, will people be made into angels of God in heaven after the resurrection?

Neither the KJV nor any other translation I am aware of says any such thing.

What it says is that we will be celibate in the life to come just as the angels are - with the exception of those we are told about in Genesis 6 who kept not their first abode.

It says nothing about our being physically unable to take mates in that way. If we are like the angels in that respect - obviously we can do so physically even after the resurrection.

It simply says that we will not be taking mates. We will obey God in that (just as Jesus did and will). We will not disobey God like the angels in Genesis 6 did.

Nor - I might add will we desire to disobey in that way.

By the way and for what it's worth - angels are always described as male in the scripture - with a possible exception for the woman in the basket in Ezekiel's vision.

By the way also:
"That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels." 1 Corinthians 11:10

Watch yourself girls.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
The bible spells out: Matthew 22:30

New International Version:

"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"

KJV:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So KJV indicates we will become angels, the the new international version is that we will be something like angels.

So which is it, will people be made into angels of God in heaven after the resurrection?

and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

We won't be angels, but we will have work to do. Angels are sons of the creation.

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

Michael Collum said:
and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

We won't be angels, but we will have work to do. Angels are sons of the creation.

Can you tell me more about angels? I'm trying to learn more about them

Gregory Thompson · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
Can you tell me more about angels? I'm trying to learn more about them

Angels are everywhere, they were created as administrators of the created order, some as messengers, and some for other purposes that are not related to humans.

In the passage where it is written, some have entertained angels unaware, this is related to angels appearing in human form with a purpose.

Angels (not in human form, but invisible) sometimes speak to us silently, and these manifest as our own thoughts.

Angels are not like humans, though we have a creator in common.

AntiVillain · Jul 14, 2019

His student said:
It says nothing about our being physically unable to take mates in that way. If we are like the angels in that respect - obviously we can do so physically even after the resurrection.

It simply says that we will not be taking mates. We will obey God in that (just as Jesus did and will). We will not disobey God like the angels in Genesis 6 did.

Then what's the point of being physically able?

In that case, I'd rather be physically unable; at least then, I wouldn't have a permanent reminder.

His student said:
Nor - I might add will we desire to disobey in that way.

I.e., robots?

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Angels are everywhere, they were created as administrators of the created order, some as messengers, and some for other purposes that are not related to humans.

In the passage where it is written, some have entertained angels unaware, this is related to angels appearing in human form with a purpose.

Angels (not in human form, but invisible) sometimes speak to us silently, and these manifest as our own thoughts.

Angels are not like humans, though we have a creator in common.

I had an angel visit me one time and stood above me and told me things that were going to happen the next day. And they did happen.

Sam91 · Jul 14, 2019

Jen35 said:
I dont think the Lord sends angels to us, he sends us the holy spirit. I think the only time an angel will be sent to us if we had a given assignment or something but I think that angel would still be Jesus himself.

Jesus is God, not an angel. Angels are created. Colossians 1:16

Blade · Jul 14, 2019

Thanks...but that is not what any version I have ever read says. "we will be come angels". We can call God our Father.. Christ our friend brother savior and God. The angels can not do not ever call God their Father.

They long to know to understand this gospel.

Sam91 · Jul 14, 2019

Can I also caution anyone who is overly prone to run off down paths that it might not be wise to think much about Angels. The Bible does not say we will be Angels but will do the service like one. I do like the idea of praising God along with rest of the saints and hosts of Angels one day saying 'Holy, holy holy is the Lord God Almighty'.

(Interestingly though they are God's messengers/servants foremost. They were created powerful. One angel killed 180000 soldiers, in King Hezekiah's reign, during one night.)

Colossians 2:18 cautions us Christians "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind"

I get the same feeling of unease that I get when I here other subjects mentioned. It is also the same sense I had which told me I was hearing minced oaths which is hidden blaspheming of the Lord's name. I think it's wiser for the ordinary Christian to not think much more about Angels than what is said in the Bible. To not let those ideas preoccupy them and focus on God, their ruler, instead.

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

Sam91 said:
Can I also caution anyone who is overly prone to run off down paths that it might not be wise to think much about Angels. The Bible does not say we will be Angels but will do the service like one.

(Interestingly though they are God's messengers/servants foremost. They were created powerful. One angel killed 180000 soldiers, in King Hezekiah's reign, during one night.)

Colossians 2:18 cautions us Christians "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind"

I get the same feeling of unease that I get when I here other subjects mentioned. It is also the same sense I had which told me I was hearing minced oaths which is hidden blaspheming of the Lord's name. I think it's wiser for the ordinary Christian to not think much more about Angels than what is said in the Bible.

You aren't Catholic then I suppose

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