2020 Dems want to take your health insurance away

Do you wish to keep your insurance?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • Dems plan would be better

    Votes: 5 45.5%

  • Total voters
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Sparagmos

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I was just responding to the claim that the ER was too scary expensive to go there and my point was if that is so true then why would my provider tell me to go there?

You've been trying to tell me I'm wrong about the doctors and that you're so knowledgeable. If so then you should be able to tell me what coverage I have from the 2 hints I've given you, and why I get a different doctor every year or two. (Another hint: it's not coverage from any of the 20 foreign countries I've been too/lived in either).
Sorry Gigimo, I really don’t have time to play games with you and I’m not sure if you are able to follow the conversation right now.
 
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I was just responding to the claim that the ER was too scary expensive to go there and my point was if that is so true then why would my provider tell me to go there?

You've been trying to tell me I'm wrong about the doctors and that you're so knowledgeable. If so then you should be able to tell me what coverage I have from the 2 hints I've given you, and why I get a different doctor every year or two. (Another hint: it's not coverage from any of the 20 foreign countries I've been too/lived in either).

Hi gigimo,

That's a fairly easy one to answer. I've called my provider before going to seek medical care. If an insured presents their issue as being fairly serious, then the provider will generally recommend that the customer go to an ER. One has to understand that when your insurance provider talks to you about your issue, all they have is your voice on the other end of the phone line. So, they have to assume that you're being honest with them about your condition. I can call my insurance provider and tell them that my arm's turning blue like it's not getting any blood flow and they're going to direct me to an ER, especially after doctor's hours.

However, my point wasn't whether or not you could get your provider to recommend that you go to the ER. My point was simply that it is, hands down and without any doubt, the most expensive option for handling health issues.

You're wrong about just about every point that you've made in this discussion. However, I've had discussions with you before and I understand your nature.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Sorry Gigimo, I really don’t have time to play games with you and I’m not sure if you are able to follow the conversation right now.

^_^

I've answered your questions but you keep going off on tangents, wouldn't it be easier to say you have no clue what I'm referring to even with the hints I've given you?
 
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Hi gigimo,

Just reading over your response:


I'm going to assume that your not speaking of the country of Vermont in the Urals.

You then wrote, in response to ER visits being quite a bit expensive:


It's statements such as this that assure me that there is one in this discussion who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. I don't care if you go for a hang nail or an earache or a heart cath, going to the ER for care is absolutely hands down with no possibility of error the most expensive care option available.

Finally you wrote:


Yes, it is true that doctors turn down certain insurance companies based on what they pay for services. However, the ACA has absolutely nothing to do with that. That is an issue between the doctor and the various and sundry health insurance providers. The ACA doesn't even address how much an insurance provider will pay for a particular service.

I have to give you my honest assessment in reading your claims. I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about and I have no idea where the country of Vermont is. Vermont - the state - falls under the ACA regulations as much as any other state in the union and they all have the option of buying private health insurance of one's choosing, if one doesn't like the government provided insurance.

Oh, and Vermont - the state - doesn't have universal healthcare. They did try to establish such healthcare coverage, but it didn't work because of scale. Honestly, there are just too many civilized nations that offer some form of universal healthcare for anyone to deny that such systems work. There really isn't any better evidence for something than seeing systems up and running that have withstood the test of time for half a century.

Germany began developing its universal healthcare system in 1883. Canada began developing its universal healthcare system in 1968. Great Britain's NHS celebrated it's 70th anniversary in 2018. These are not flash in the pan, fly by the seat of their pants systems for providing payment for health services.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Hi TED!!!

When you try to slyly insinuate that somebody is dumb/stupid because they don't believe the politically correct "popular rhetoric" that you believe, sooner or later they will ignore most posts of the same rhetoric and consequently adopt an attitude similar to what is in my tagline, have a nice day TED...
 
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Hi TED!!!

When you try to slyly insinuate that somebody is dumb/stupid because they don't believe the politically correct "popular rhetoric" that you believe, sooner or later they will ignore most posts of the same rhetoric and consequently adopt an attitude similar to what is in my tagline, have a nice day TED...

Hi gigimo,

Well, I try to answer questions and present ideas with supporting evidence. So, while my responses are directed to questions or statements that you made to me, you're certainly free to skip reading them. It's your choice. I'll still be ok.

Consider though, that short 10 word sentences aren't always able to provide sufficient answers. After all, it took God some thousand pages to tell us all that He wanted us to know. Some people write whole books to research and answer sometime seemingly simple ideas. I imagine such lengthy prose can be difficult for people with seriously short attention spans.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi again gigimo,

Let me give you an example. I will try to be short. Can you quote or copy some dialogue that I wrote in post #64 that is what you're referring to as politically correct "popular rhetoric"?

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Is there any sympathy for those that you don't know? Or is all of your sympathy only for those that you think you do?

Since I don't know anyone involved in this on a personal level, then the answer is "yes". Nice try at a smear, though ;)
 
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Since I don't know anyone involved in this on a personal level, then the answer is "yes". Nice try at a smear, though ;)

Hi DL,

I'm not sure what you mean by a smear. The person I was responding to was particularly distressed that his mother had been inconvenienced by not being able to see her regular specialist and he blamed it on the ACA. Although it isn't clear why the ACA caused the problem. What he said was that the doctor didn't want to see her any longer because of the ACA. So, other than the doctor apparently just deciding to up and not see her any longer, there hasn't been any evidence offered that it was actually some regulation of the ACA that prevented her from being seen by her regular specialist.

He now thinks the ACA is a terrible program because of this issue regarding his mother and apparently wants everyone to have some amount of sympathy for his mother's plight in this. On the other hand, the fact that repealing the ACA will likely put some 20 million people back out of health insurance, as they were before the ACA, doesn't seem to be of any bother to the poster.

So, I asked if his 'love' that he claims I'm not showing for his mother, was only for those friends and family of his and not worth extending to just other regular folk that might lose their insurance due to such an action by the legislature. I think it was a valid position.

Then, other posters piled on with the 'love' issue and apparently insinuated themselves into this particular discussion in agreeing with the initial poster that I wasn't showing any love.

BTW, since you are living in Denmark, I'm not sure that you're qualified to offer up rebuttal regarding this American issue. Are you particularly familiar with American health insurance and how it has been around here for the last 40 years?

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Chris Jacobs: Yes, the 2020 Dems want to take your health insurance away

Following her performance in last week’s Democratic presidential debates, California Senator Kamala Harris once again tripped up over the issue of health care. For a second time, Harris attempted to claim that she would not eliminate private health coverage. In reality, however, virtually all Democrats running for president would enact policies jeopardizing Americans’ health insurance. The candidates differ largely in their level of honesty about their proposals’ effects.

During the debates on Wednesday and Thursday, only Harris, New York Mayor Bill DeBlasio, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said they supported eliminating private insurance. But in an interview Friday morning, Harris claimed she heard the question as asking whether she would give up her insurance, not whether she would take others’ coverage away.

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I would imagine that pretty soon we will be hearing that old famous line, "you can keep your doctor."
M-Bob

Let's see. Before Obama and his wonderful fix on healthcare, I paid very little, and had virtually no deductible.

Now, I can't afford my health insurance at all, and I would pay thousands of dollars if I ever use it.

Whatever all y'all decide to foist upon me this time, I don't think I'll be able to afford any more fixes.
 
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Let's see. Before Obama and his wonderful fix on healthcare, I paid very little, and had virtually no deductible.

Now, I can't afford my health insurance at all, and I would pay thousands of dollars if I ever use it.

Whatever all y'all decide to foist upon me this time, I don't think I'll be able to afford any more fixes.

There it is in a nutshell many were abused and used by Obama and his lies.

M-Bob
 
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