About the resurrection and heavenly existence

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

The bible spells out: Matthew 22:30

New International Version:

"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"

KJV:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So KJV indicates we will become angels, the the new international version is that we will be something like angels.

So which is it, will people be made into angels of God in heaven after the resurrection?

com7fy8 · Jul 13, 2019

KJV says "as angels". It does not say will "be angels".

The words "as" and "like" can have similar meaning.

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

com7fy8 said:
KJV says "as angels". It does not say will "be angels".

The words "as" and "like" can have similar meaning.

Right but if I say, "you will be visiting them as president", then you are acting president? To me the KJV indicates we will be angels. How can it mean like? I'm trying to understand why people don't think we will be angels, also because if not then who are these angels and where do they come from? Are they not Gods children or are they some other people?

Is there reference in the bible regarding angels identifying them as those that have died and been resurrected? I'll look.

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

I found this: Hebrews 13:2

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

And then I found this: Hebrews 1:13-14

"13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

Then I found this in Genesis 19:1-38

"The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, “My lords, please turn aside to your servant's house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, “No; we will spend the night in the town square.” But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”"

Which indicates they ate, and had bodies.

eleos1954 · Jul 13, 2019

devin553344 said:
The bible spells out: Matthew 22:30

New International Version:

"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"

KJV:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So KJV indicates we will become angels, the the new international version is that we will be something like angels.

So which is it, will people be made into angels of God in heaven after the resurrection?

It's talking about angels in relation to marriage, angels don't marry ... and neither will we .... doesn't mean we will be just like them in every way (physically etc) ... just stating there won't be marriage in heaven.

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

eleos1954 said:
It's talking about angels in relation to marriage, angels don't marry ... and neither will we .... doesn't mean we will be just like them in every way (physically etc) ... just stating there won't be marriage in heaven.

Thanks, I'm OK with being like an angel, but do you know about these angels and who they are. The bible describes them as spirits and also describes them with bodies.

Jen35 · Jul 13, 2019

I told you already no one will be marrying at that moment, angels floats in the heaven, so I assume Jesus meant just like angels in heaven, in the resurrection people will be awakened and risen , floating in the air like the angels assumingly do in the heavens but Jesus never said there was no marriage in heaven ..that only in or during the resurrection and at that moment people will be raised in the air, not carrying each other...but being risen.

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

Jen35 said:
I told you already no one will be marrying at that moment, angels floats in the heaven, so I assume Jesus meant just like angels in heaven, in the resurrection people will be awakened and risen , floating in the air like the angels assumingly do in the heavens but Jesus never said there was no marriage in heaven ..that only in or during the resurrection and at that moment people will be raised in the air, not carrying each other...but being risen.

Thanks Jen35, I'm particularly interesting in the angels the bible talks about that had bodies, the two visiting angels of Lot that ate a meal with him Genesis 19:1-38, and those that we are not to turn away Hebrews 13:2.

The way I see it, they could not have bodies unless they were resurrected beings. Which indicates that angel is a term used for resurrected beings and messenger spirits.

eleos1954 · Jul 13, 2019

devin553344 said:
Thanks, I'm OK with being like an angel, but do you know about these angels and who they are. The bible describes them as spirits and also describes them with bodies.

There are a few verses that describe the physical appearance of angels as having wings and such ... but there are also instances where they were in human form as well ... so kind of hard to figure ???? They are indeed a very different type of created beings than we are.

But we do have this .... Regarding Jesus after His resurrection.

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have (Luke 24:39).

Jesus wanted us to know that we will have real bodies.

then we have this ...

1 Corinthians 15:44
New Living Translation
They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

So spiritual bodies are related to being/having eternal existence ... bodies existing eternally.

We will have real bodies flesh and bones ... but will never die and that's what makes our new bodies spiritual and will have supernatural abilities surpassing those of the angels because we were made in the image of God ... the angels were not.

Here's a few things about angels.

Angels never die (Luke 20:36).
They are stronger than man, but not omnipotent (Psalm 103:20; 2 Peter 2:11).
They are greater than man in knowledge, but not omniscient (2 Samuel 14:20; Matthew 24:36).
Good angels are more noble and holy than man (Daniel 9:21-23, 10:10-14).
Good angels can take on the appearance of men (supernaturally) when the occasion demands. How else could some “entertain angels unaware” (Hebrews 13:2)? On the other hand, their appearance is sometimes in dazzling white and blazing glory (Matthew 28:2-4).
Like us, angels have a free will and can be tempted. (ie fall of Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels)
Angels do not marry or reproduce (Matthew 22:30). Angels are a company or association, not a race descended from a common ancestor (Luke 20:34-36). Different kind of beings created by God.

Very mysterious are angels .... can't wait to meet them ;o)

devin553344 · Jul 13, 2019

eleos1954 said:
There are a few verses that describe the physical appearance of angels as having wings and such ... but there are also instances where they were in human form as well ... so kind of hard to figure ???? They are indeed a very different type of created beings than we are.

But we do have this .... Regarding Jesus after His resurrection.

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have (Luke 24:39).

Jesus wanted us to know that we will have real bodies.

then we have this ...

1 Corinthians 15:44
New Living Translation
They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

So spiritual bodies are related to being/having eternal existence ... bodies existing eternally.

We will have real bodies flesh and bones ... but will never die and that's what makes our new bodies spiritual and will have supernatural abilities surpassing those of the angels because we were made in the image of God ... the angels were not.

Here's a few things about angels.

Angels never die (Luke 20:36).

They are stronger than man, but not omnipotent (Psalm 103:20; 2 Peter 2:11).

They are greater than man in knowledge, but not omniscient (2 Samuel 14:20; Matthew 24:36).

Good angels are more noble and holy than man (Daniel 9:21-23, 10:10-14).

Good angels can take on the appearance of men (supernaturally) when the occasion demands. How else could some “entertain angels unaware” (Hebrews 13:2)? On the other hand, their appearance is sometimes in dazzling white and blazing glory (Matthew 28:2-4).

Like us, angels have a free will and can be tempted. (ie fall of Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels)

Angels do not marry or reproduce (Matthew 22:30). Angels are a company or association, not a race descended from a common ancestor (Luke 20:34-36). Different kind of beings created by God.

Very mysterious are angels .... can't wait to meet them ;o)

Thanks for digging those scriptures out for me. That helps a lot!

Jonaitis · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
The bible spells out: Matthew 22:30

New International Version:

"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"

KJV:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So KJV indicates we will become angels, the the new international version is that we will be something like angels.

So which is it, will people be made into angels of God in heaven after the resurrection?

"...but are as the angels..."

I don't think the KJV is suggesting we will be angels, especially if we are humans and will be resurrected in our new bodies on a new earth.

Jen35 · Jul 14, 2019

I don't know ..but it reminds me of an inmortal person like Edward in that movie twilight, he was not an angel, he was a vampire, there are no vampires, but my point here is that is how I see Jesus, an immortal being like him..

com7fy8 · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
I'm trying to understand why people don't think we will be angels,

I see what you mean. You are saying we could be or serve "as" angels. But I think Jesus said not "as angels" but "as the angels". This can be different. Now, if we were serving "as the" angels, I see that this would mean we are "the" angels, the only ones, which I am certain is not the case. So, let's check the wording >

"as the angels" > in Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25.

And He is talking about how we will be, not directly making it clear that we will be. So, you've got the ability to see how a word can mean that. That's quite something

Now, Hebrews does say angels are ministering spirits for salvation. So, they are very important and active, right now, I would say from this. And I think of how the angel appeared to Jesus in the garden and strengthened Jesus >

"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him." (Luke 22:43)

So, if an angel could strengthen God's own Son, yes these angels are very important and capable. And Hebrews is very clear how the angels are less than Jesus; even so, God gives them the ability to even strengthen Jesus, I understand. So, then, they are able to minister to us.

Plus, this shows how God included His angels in caring for Jesus while Jesus was on earth. God did not do it all by Himself. So, I see from this how our Father wants to do things as family, including us in His own work . . . if He even used an angel to strengthen Christ Himself.

So, this can mean God desires to use us in His work of salvation and conforming us "to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (see Romans 8:29) And, lo and behold, our Apostle Paul is clear how he submits to how God has him ministering for people to become "perfect in Christ Jesus" > Colossians 1:28-29.

And we, too, minister for one another to grow in Jesus.

So, yes, we have the power with God to minister to Jesus in one another, that Jesus may grow and become stronger in every one of us . . . as it is written that we >

"speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ" (in Ephesians 4:15).

Jen35 · Jul 14, 2019

com7fy8 said:
I see what you mean. You are saying we could be or serve "as" angels. But I think Jesus said not "as angels" but "as the angels". This can be different. Now, if we were serving "as the" angels, I see that this would mean we are "the" angels, the only ones, which I am certain is not the case. So, let's check the wording >

"as the angels" > in Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25.

And He is talking about how we will be, not directly making it clear that we will be. So, you've got the ability to see how a word can mean that. That's quite something

Now, Hebrews does say angels are ministering spirits for salvation. So, they are very important and active, right now, I would say from this. And I think of how the angel appeared to Jesus in the garden and strengthened Jesus >

"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him." (Luke 22:43)

So, if an angel could strengthen God's own Son, yes these angels are very important and capable. And Hebrews is very clear how the angels are less than Jesus; even so, God gives them the ability to even strengthen Jesus, I understand. So, then, they are able to minister to us.

Plus, this shows how God included His angels in caring for Jesus while Jesus was on earth. God did not do it all by Himself. So, I see from this how our Father wants to do things as family, including us in His own work . . . if He even used an angel to strengthen Christ Himself.

So, this can mean God desires to use us in His work of salvation and conforming us "to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (see Romans 8:29) And, lo and behold, our Apostle Paul is clear how he submits to how God has him ministering for people to become "perfect in Christ Jesus" > Colossians 1:28-29.

And we, too, minister for one another to grow in Jesus.

So, yes, we have the power with God to minister to Jesus in one another, that Jesus may grow and become stronger in every one of us . . . as it is written that we >

"speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ" (in Ephesians 4:15).

I dont think the Lord sends angels to us, he sends us the holy spirit. I think the only time an angel will be sent to us if we had a given assignment or something but I think that angel would still be Jesus himself.

Jen35 · Jul 14, 2019

Maybe angels are just like divine people on earth

Jen35 · Jul 14, 2019

devin553344 said:
Thanks Jen35, I'm particularly interesting in the angels the bible talks about that had bodies, the two visiting angels of Lot that ate a meal with him Genesis 19:1-38, and those that we are not to turn away Hebrews 13:2.

The way I see it, they could not have bodies unless they were resurrected beings. Which indicates that angel is a term used for resurrected beings and messenger spirits.

I guess, I'm sorry I don't know much about angels ..

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

Jen35 said:
I guess, I'm sorry I don't know much about angels ..

@eleos1954 gave an interesting post (#11) up on the thread for who the angels are.

devin553344 · Jul 14, 2019

Jen35 said:
Maybe angels are just like divine people on earth

I think angels have powers that are supernatural.

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