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Past presenters have included His Holiness the Dalai Lama...

Should we believe that we should unite with other faiths to solve the world's issues. I see no hint of this in Scripture, rather the opposite.

Participants have impressive credentials and we need to be careful not to be persuaded by this, but rather put the matter before Him.
 
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The answer is simple.

The Dala Lama is believed to be the reincarnation of the Buddhist God of Compassion (the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara).

What does the bible say on this subject?

“Just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.”

The only question that remains is what ‘truth’ will you follow? If you believe the bible is true, then it’s impossible for the other to be correct.

You can’t eat from both trees.

You must choose the fruit you wish to produce within yourself. God’s or the alternative. But you can’t have both.
 
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Is anyone familiar with The World Community for Christian Meditation?
- Christian Meditation in the UK | WCCM
- WCCM | The World Community for Christian Meditation

I've been ruminating on this for some days. Please take a look.
Is this okay to practice? Why yes or why not?

Thanks.
This is new age deception... Here is why...taken by one of your websites...

Meditation is simple, being simple means being ourselves. Simplicity is within the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth not in our flesh which has a sinful nature. So to be ourselves without the Holy Spirit is not a person who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. New age meditation feeds the flesh and not the Spirit.

It means passing beyond self consciousness, self analysis and self rejection. This is new age philosophy. You can not pass beyond your consciences unless you are in an ungodly state.This is also completely contrary to the Gospel that quickens us to test and self analysis on a daily basis so that we do not wander on to the wide road of destruction.

Meditation is a universal spiritual practice which guides us into this state of prayer, into the prayer of Christ.
Note, it states a universal spiritual practice which is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It is the angel of light ,Satan, leading you into deception. Ask yourself, what is the prayer of Christ.

It brings us to silence, stillness and simplicity by a means that is itself silent, still and simple. It opens you up to the darkness through a false sense of light. This could lead to spiritual warfare of the worst kind.


The method involves the repetition of a single word faithfully and lovingly during the time of meditation. Jesus Christ of Nazareth warned us against repetition as only the heathens do this. This is how transcendental meditation is practiced not the way Christians meditate. "Think" about Him daily is meditation in Him.

This is a very ancient Christian way of prayer that was recovered for modern Christians by the Benedictine monk John Main (1926 -1982). And that should tell you it is dangerous and not the least bit scriptural or even the will of the Father.
 
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The answer is simple.

The Dala Lama is believed to be the reincarnation of the Buddhist God of Compassion (the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara).

What does the bible say on this subject?

“Just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.”

The only question that remains is what ‘truth’ will you follow? If you believe the bible is true, then it’s impossible for the other to be correct.

You can’t eat from both trees.

You must choose the fruit you wish to produce within yourself. God’s or the alternative. But you can’t have both.

Bodhisattva literally means "Perfect Being" - by taking this title, the Dala Lama claims to have the status of Jesus.
 
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Bodhisattva literally means "Perfect Being" - by taking this title, the Dala Lama claims to have the status of Jesus.

I know. I walked that road once.

This is the third thread on topics of this nature this week. I expect we’ll see more in years to come as discernment wanes.
 
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Is anyone familiar with The World Community for Christian Meditation?
- Christian Meditation in the UK | WCCM
- WCCM | The World Community for Christian Meditation

I've been ruminating on this for some days. Please take a look.
Is this okay to practice? Why yes or why not?

Thanks.
Hi Lord'sWarrior, I believe that Christian meditation is an essential Christian discipline that helps us live the Christian life properly, but what is being proposed on the websites you posited for us sounds completely Eastern, not Christian.

Here's what they recommend doing.

Sit down. Sit still with your back straight. Close your eyes lightly. Then interiorly, silently begin to recite a single word – a prayer word or mantra. We recommend the ancient Christian prayer-word "Maranatha". Say it as four equal syllables. Breathe normally and give your full attention to the word as you say it, silently, gently, faithfully and - above all - simply. The essence of meditation is simplicity. Stay with the same word during the whole meditation and in each meditation day to day. Don't visualise but listen to the word, as you say it. Let go of all thoughts (even good thoughts), images and other words. Don’t fight your distractions: let them go by saying your word faithfully, gently and attentively and returning to it as soon as you realize you have stopped saying or it or when your attention wanders. Meditate twice a day, morning and evening, for between 20 and 30 minutes. It may take a time to develop this discipline and the support of a tradition and community is always helpful.

Christian mediation always involves an active mind that is focused on God and His word (and possibly other things of excellence, as well). We quiet our minds of distractions, of course, but we don't empty them, ~ever~ (which is what focusing on a single word "mantra" is meant to do .. even if that word is from the Bible). We can focus on a single verse or passage, like the Lord's Prayer, for instance, but we never meditate by focusing on a word itself (or even several words) by repeating it/them over and over and over again (it is with other forms meditation, but never with Christian meditation).

Satan cunningly disguises himself and his ways as he operates in this world, and I'm afraid that he is doing that very thing here (by trying to convince Christians to engage in a type of meditation that is anything but Christian, just by calling it "Christian". It's not Christian, but it is dangerous :preach:).

Here are a couple of short articles that may prove to be useful to you:

--David
p.s. - if you have the time, here's just a little bit of what the Bible has to say about Christian meditation (both directly and indirectly). You may, perhaps, notice a developing theme, of sorts :)

Deuteronomy 11
18 You shall impress these words of mine on your heart and on your soul; and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontals on your forehead.
19 You shall teach them to your sons, talking of them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road and when you lie down and when you rise up.
20 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates,
21 so that your days and the days of your sons may be multiplied on the land which the LORD swore to your fathers to give them, as long as the heavens remain above the earth.


Joshua 1
8 This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success.

Psalms 1
1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water,
Which yields its fruit in its season
And its leaf does not wither;
And in whatever he does, he prospers.

Psalms 119
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Romans 12:2
2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Philippians 4
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.

2 Timothy 2
15 Be diligent/Study to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling/rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3
16 All Scripture is inspired by God/God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
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Should we believe that we should unite with other faiths to solve the world's issues. I see no hint of this in Scripture, rather the opposite.

You would prefer that we not work together to solve issues? Somehow that is more in accord with scripture?
 
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You would prefer that we not work together to solve issues? Somehow that is more in accord with scripture?


It's not working together to solve issues, its allowing other religions to influence your doctrine.

Doctrine in Christianity is actually important and not something you want influenced by those outside our faith. (1 Timothy 4:16, Jude 1:3, 2 John 1:10-11, Galatians 1:6-9, Matthew 24:11)

If you want to work to solve political issues in the world get involved in politics, but don't start incorporating non-Christian practices into your Christian walk.
 
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You would prefer that we not work together to solve issues? Somehow that is more in accord with scripture?
That is not what is happening here, what we are seeing is the attempt to merge faiths which are fundamentally contradictory and are inspired by different spiritual sources. To do that one would need to ignore blatantly exclusive aspects of our faith like "I am the way the truth and the life, No one comes to the Father but by me"
 
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Is anyone familiar with The World Community for Christian Meditation?
- Christian Meditation in the UK | WCCM
- WCCM | The World Community for Christian Meditation

I've been ruminating on this for some days. Please take a look.
Is this okay to practice? Why yes or why not?

Thanks.

I think "Christian Meditation" as it is presented on these websites is simply a counterfeit of the sort of God-centered rumination recommended in Scripture. Being alone with God is an important spiritual activity but this is not accomplished by mimicking pagan, New Age meditative practices. Jesus withdrew often to pray, not to chant and navel-gaze. He was keen to commune alone with the Father, not chant a mantra as some pagan religions - and the "Christian Meditation" organization - advise to do.

The goal of the Christian life isn't "stillness," or "deeper spirituality," or to become a better meditator, but Christ. If one's spiritual endeavours don't deepen one in him, if they don't expand one's preoccupation with, and knowledge of, him, they are of no spiritual value.

No where in all of the NT do we read of "Christian Meditation" of the sort described on the WCCM website. We are told instead to actively pursue study of God's word (Psalm 1; Psalm 119:11; Philippians 4:8; 2 Timothy 2:15), to labor in prayer (1 Thessalonians 5:17; Ephesians 6:18; Colossians 4:12), and to live holy lives (2 Corinthians 6:14-17; Ephesians 1:4; 1 Peter 1:15; 2 Peter 3:11). Zoning out in some pseudo-New Age meditation is never recommended anywhere in Scripture.
 
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That is not what is happening here, what we are seeing is the attempt to merge faiths which are fundamentally contradictory and are inspired by different spiritual sources. To do that one would need to ignore blatantly exclusive aspects of our faith like "I am the way the truth and the life, No one comes to the Father but by me"

Ok, I agree to a point. We do not need to change doctrine or beliefs. That is for sure. But other religions do have practices we can share. Fasting is a good example. So are charitable giving, service, and hospitality, justice, etc. All ways to know and serve the Lord. But I must say that for me sitting in silent stillness has been the purest form of closeness to Jesus. Not my thoughts or inner words, but quiet attentive vigilance. Because when our thoughts become lighter and fewer the Lord has better opportunity to speak softly by movements within us which we might now notice. Otherwise we are too caught up in our own thinking.

Not only does sitting in silent stillness keep me close to Jesus, it also keeps me mentally healthy. Because it is not instant stillness. Not by any means. Rather, it is a very gradual processing of all that is in the soul, the heart, the mind. We have to let it ruminate and gradually settle.

"Who can climb the mountain of the Lord?" It is like climbing a mountain where the air is thinner and the view is wider. It is a Holy place.

I will say it again. Sitting in silent stillness is a Holy place of closeness to Christ. It is there that we sit with him keeping watch.
 
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There is a difference between sharing in a practice and having a similar practice. While acts of charity, fasting, and a concern for justice (among other things) may be found in other religions, biblical Christianity enacts these things for reasons very different from those of other religions. In every instance, the Christian is an ambassador of Christ, a "sweet smelling aroma" of Jesus. Whether in fasting, prayer, or charitable activities, the Christian aims to make Christ glorified and known. Not so Buddhism, or Hinduism, or Islam. There is, then, no true sharing of religious practices between Christianity and other religions, though one may find counterfeits of the former among the latter.

God is the One who tells us what is holy and how we may best encounter Him. And in His word, the Bible, we find no where the idea that mimicking pagan meditative practices brings us closer to Him or that the meditation is itself holy. God is found in the revelation and study of His word, in the presence and work of His Spirit within, and in prayer. Stillness meditation is never mentioned in Scripture as an additional means of knowing God.

Fancy descriptions of stillness meditation pulled out of the air don't make such meditation legitimate. God tells us in His word how to draw close to Him and pagan meditation ain't it.
 
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Deut 23:6 You are not to seek peace or prosperity from them as long as you live.

Pagan religions have a different peace that we are not to seek.

The reason is plain - Paul made it quite clear, the spiritual source of Pagan religions is demonic.

As for stillness I live on a rural retreat surrounded by natural peace and beauty but the peace I enjoy is His peace through the blood of the cross.

For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, Col 1:20... and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

Jesus alone is the Prince of Peace.
 
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