NeedyFollower
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I believe we are to do that and a lot more.
There is no such thing as a "Christian institution" in the sense you are erroneously trying to build your case with. Not a church, an org or a nation. Only individuals go to heaven or hell based on the criteria you are pointing out. When it come to institutions, organizations, nations. There is only Christian influence. The Bibles influnce, the invisible kingdom of Gods influence that battle against other influences not from God. Your gross error. Your "heresy" so to speak. With which you could never fellowship with me in anyway but on a superficial level is that you believe there is no such thing as a nation being influenced for the better by the things of God. Let me rephrase that. You think you have the Bible all wrapped up on that issue and does not teach us that God's invisible kingdom will influnce nations for the better through real Christians and the Bible. As you said below and on a number of other occasions.
Yet I just showed you multiple chapters of prophesies where they said God's invisible kingdom would influence the nations for the better. Not for a utopia but for the better. The question is: Are you about your fathers business? Is it all about personal salvation, personal development and helping others find personal salvation and personal development? Or is it about even more than that? Apparently more than you are willing or capable of giving. Therein lies the real issue. More than you are willing or capable of doing or giving. I mean if we are to take what you are preaching about the world and take it to its extreme. Why feed the poor, heal the sick, visit widows in their affliction? Just tell them about Jesus that is all they need right? But if Christians are commanded to meet those physical needs if at all possible. Then why are they not commanded to transform the world into a place where there is far less hunger, sickness and widows? Which is greater? Which are you willing AND capable of. I dare say not the later. It would take a massive change of heart, discipleship and long term leaning in the school of hard knocks for the later.
Here is the third chapter of prophecies about how Christians would influnce the world for the better. I would like to point out that these promises CANNOT be fulfilled in their lives unless they influence nations. As they have been been for centuries.
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be you glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more there an infant of days, nor an old man that has not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and my elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth (children) for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. 24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, said the LORD. (AKJV)
Here in this passage we have wonderful promises and prophecies given that as Isaiah 60:22 says will quickly come to pass in its time. These "new" things are to be contrasted to the time period or age that they were written in as prophecy. For instance in the ancient world the average lifespan was approx. 40 years old. In the nations that have been transformed by the Gospel in the last 500 years the average lifespan is doubled and still on the increase. In the ancient world you had no rights other than what the current king or despot allowed you to have based solely on his interests. His interest was other peoples wealth and property which he took at will for himself and to reward his supporters. In the lands that have adopted Biblical principle as the way in which they choose to govern their affairs human government is instituted to protect the private property of individuals. In the ancient world and in fact under all despotic rule children are forfeit to the state or despot to do as they please with them. Half the worlds population through the history of mankind were slaves. If the despot or his supporters wanted your little boys or girls for sexual slaves they simply took them and killed anyone who resisted. In nations that have been sufficiently influenced by the Word of God a couples children are under their charge and tutelage before God. All of these things so many in the western world now take for granted today were as a general rule simply non existent in the ancient world filled with sorrow and crying. So, you see these particular promises and prophecies were not promises just about personal salvation from hell through the sacrifice of the lamb of God. In fact it could be said that the common horrors the ancient world meted out were greatly exasperated for believers since just becoming a believer could get you a death sentence via torture at the hands of the gangsters who governed the world. No, these earthly promises of God written of throughout the scripture were for a time period to come. That time period was prophesied to begin when the Roman Empire fell. Not only do the Bibles prophecies say this; they also prophesied when the Roman Empire would end just as it did in 1453 AD. You can see this in the article End Time Prophecy.
There is one more important note about the timing these promises and prophecies would begin to come to pass as it relates to multiple prophecies about the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God has always existed in the earth and is spoken of as such throughout the scripture. It is on earth an essentially invisible Kingdom. It is seen, for instance, in the miracles that God worked through the hands of Jesus and his apostles. It was also seen by the fact that the Gospel once fully preached in a nation or empire destroyed the power that idolatry had over the people. However it was not seen in the overthrow of despotism until the Bible, illegally mind you, got into the hands of common men in their own languages. In other words. The missing factor that gave men in union with the almighty the power to throw off 6000 years of despotism came when the scripture, the truth, was in the hands of the people to read themselves and to teach others with. This began to occur right when the Roman Empire fell in 1453 AD. Commercial printing presses and brave men periling their lives to translate the scripture into their native languages for the first time in history got the Word into the hands of common men, in this instance northern Europeans. The extermination campaign that had worked for 1400 years by the powers that ruled failed to stop what was happening. This was the beginning of the modern world that so many take for granted, thinking it is somehow their wisdom, strength and goodness that created these freedoms and prosperity we now enjoy. Once one realizes these facts on the ground it becomes very easy to throw off the deceptions of the spirit of Anti-Christ at work in the hearts of men and their political aspirations. Especially the international left that is now in control of the Democrat party in the United States. They seek to use the power of government to keep the scriptures out of the hands of children by banning them from public schools. In higher education they seek to denigrate the Bible and make it as some unclean thing in the eyes of the public. They persecute believers and seek to drive them from positions of trust or influence. With any means possible, be it via law, or judicial decree they seek to destroy the Biblical principle the nation was founded upon; that the people rely on for protection and a good law abiding culture. If one really comprehends the polices the international left seeks to subjugate the nations under it is simple to see that with or without the knowledge of the those who are pushing those policies, they will eventually lead to the despotisms of the ancient world or the nations who have not yet had the time with the Gospel to bring about transformation. This by the way is not a contest of law but a contest of power. Power and influence will be used to either bring the nation back towards Biblical principle or power and coercion will be used to drive it away. So even if many millions more come to Christ. To not fight, to have a doctrine that teaches it is written that the wicked will rule the world means that even a small minority of radical and motivated leftist will rule over the nation. Being a disciple means a bit more than just accepting Jesus Christ as your savior and cleaning up your personal life. Nations will stand or fall based on what believers do. Or as Charles Finney once said during America's second great awakening:
"Brethren, our preaching will bear its legitimate fruits. If immorality prevails in the land, the fault is ours in a great degree. If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the public press lacks moral discrimination, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the world loses its interest in religion, the pulpit is responsible for it. If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it. If our politics become so corrupt that the very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it. Let us not ignore this fact, my dear brethren; but let us lay it to heart, and be thoroughly awake to our responsibility in respect to the morals of this nation."
If any man think he can not be deceived , he already has been . Great intelligence can breed pride and blinds mans hearts and minds .
You have made assumptions regarding my service to our Father of which you know nothing about nor do you know the cost . I am a disciple ...but of Christ . You have not shown any meekness , nor gentleness so I will leave you with your musings . But you are not alone in your errors . You have a whole two party system trying to stop Christ' return . Who could have stopped Sodom and Gomorrah ..the democrats or the Republicans ? The US is a very proud nation . And God is in opposition to the proud ..nations and individuals .
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