LDS Can LDS add teachings to the word of God?

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You said: "It's often believed that this little bit of positivity added to the end of Ecclesiastes is an amendation from a later editor, given the immense pessimism of the text. Giving a, "So if everything is so meaningless in life, what does matter?" Well, what does matter, from a Jewish perspective, is honoring God and observing God's Torah. Since observing Torah is the covenant identity of the Jewish people. But wanna take a guess as to what the point of the covenant, the point of the Torah, is?"

Regardless of whether the last two verses of Ecclesiastes is a amendation or not it is part of the Bible which is from God.

How do you know that Ecclesiastes is from God?

1 Nephi 13
29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away [the Bible]it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
1 Nephi 13

"The stumbling blocks spoken of by the angel appeared to be of two types: (1) the ignorance and uncertainty which came as a result of the loss of the plain and precious truths from the Bible; and (2) the Book of Mormon and the message of the Restoration themselves which would serve as stumbling blocks to the impenitent and hard-hearted of the latter days. In the meridian of time Paul wrote: 'We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness' (1 Corinthians 1:23)." (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 106)
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Yeah, good luck with that...I used to ask that they take into account the context and traditional interpretations of things, and then I'd wait...and wait...and wait...until I eventually learned to just assert things and leave links to full texts to back up those assertions, because otherwise...

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Who stole your clothes?! :swoon:
 
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That's interesting. The missionaries tried to prove that the Father has body of flesh and bones and that the Father and Son appeared to Joseph Smith, but how could Joseph Smith see God? He must have lied or hallucinated because he didn't even hold the priesthood.

Anyway, priesthood or no priesthood,

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

JST (New Testament | John 1:18)

18 No man hath seen God at any time; except he hath borne record of the Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(Old Testament | Genesis 32:30)

30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
 
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How do you know that Ecclesiastes is from God?

1 Nephi 13
29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away [the Bible]it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
1 Nephi 13

"The stumbling blocks spoken of by the angel appeared to be of two types: (1) the ignorance and uncertainty which came as a result of the loss of the plain and precious truths from the Bible; and (2) the Book of Mormon and the message of the Restoration themselves which would serve as stumbling blocks to the impenitent and hard-hearted of the latter days. In the meridian of time Paul wrote: 'We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness' (1 Corinthians 1:23)." (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 106)
1 Nephi 14 | Gospel Doctrine
What makes you think that Ecclesiastes was taken away from the Bible?
 
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That's interesting. The missionaries tried to prove that the Father has body of flesh and bones and that the Father and Son appeared to Joseph Smith, but how could Joseph Smith see God? He must have lied or hallucinated because he didn't even hold the priesthood.

Anyway, priesthood or no priesthood,

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
The Father is not a spirit, He has a spirit, it is the Holy Ghost:

(New Testament | John 15:26)

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
 
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I didn't say that. Read my post more carefully.
I read your post. This is what you quoted:

"29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away [the Bible]"

"because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb"

To which I said: What makes you think that Ecclesiastes was taken away from the Bible?
 
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JST (New Testament | John 1:18)

18 No man hath seen God at any time; except he hath borne record of the Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(Old Testament | Genesis 32:30)

30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.


God can speak face to face with men, but not while in all His glory; otherwise, sinful man would die. Joseph Smith was a sinful man; he had not even been baptized.
 
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The Father is not a spirit, He has a spirit, it is the Holy Ghost:

(New Testament | John 15:26)

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Now you've made a blunder about Mormonism! The "Holy Ghost" is the third god in your godhead. All Mormon gods have the spirits they had in a pre-mortal existence.
 
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I read your post. This is what you quoted:

"29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away [the Bible]"

"because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb"

To which I said: What makes you think that Ecclesiastes was taken away from the Bible?

"Precious things" are not necessarily books of the Bible.

It may be helpful, before we launch into a discussion of factors contributing to the loss of truth in the Bible, to be clear about how truth may be lost. What exactly does it mean to “lose” truth from the Bible? The first and most obvious way is to have truth removed—in whole or in part—or changed in the biblical text. Nephi provides us with a second definition of how truth may be lost from the Bible when, at the end of his vision, he says that the truths originally proceeding forth from the mouth of a Jew “were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men” (1 Nephi 14:23). We may understand from this, as it relates to the loss of plain and precious truth, that unless truths are written plainly and purely in a clear and understandable way, important gospel truths may be lost because they may not be recognized or readily comprehended. In some cases, precious truth may still be found in the Bible, at least in part, but they are no longer plain to our understanding without the Book of Mormon and other revelation brought to us by the Lord’s prophets. Examples of such doctrines include the Fall, the Atonement, the Resurrection, the scattering and gathering of Israel, agency, justice, mercy, and baptism for the dead, to name a few.
5. Nephi's Vision and the Loss and Restoration of Plain and Precious Truths | Religious Studies Center
 
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God can speak face to face with men, but not while in all His glory; otherwise, sinful man would die. Joseph Smith was a sinful man; he had not even been baptized.
There are a lot of people who have seen God. George Ritchie comes to mind.
 
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Now you've made a blunder about Mormonism! The "Holy Ghost" is the third god in your godhead. All Mormon gods have the spirits they had in a pre-mortal existence.
Blunder or not, that is the way I see it.
 
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"Precious things" are not necessarily books of the Bible.

It may be helpful, before we launch into a discussion of factors contributing to the loss of truth in the Bible, to be clear about how truth may be lost. What exactly does it mean to “lose” truth from the Bible? The first and most obvious way is to have truth removed—in whole or in part—or changed in the biblical text. Nephi provides us with a second definition of how truth may be lost from the Bible when, at the end of his vision, he says that the truths originally proceeding forth from the mouth of a Jew “were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men” (1 Nephi 14:23). We may understand from this, as it relates to the loss of plain and precious truth, that unless truths are written plainly and purely in a clear and understandable way, important gospel truths may be lost because they may not be recognized or readily comprehended. In some cases, precious truth may still be found in the Bible, at least in part, but they are no longer plain to our understanding without the Book of Mormon and other revelation brought to us by the Lord’s prophets. Examples of such doctrines include the Fall, the Atonement, the Resurrection, the scattering and gathering of Israel, agency, justice, mercy, and baptism for the dead, to name a few.
5. Nephi's Vision and the Loss and Restoration of Plain and Precious Truths | Religious Studies Center
I do not believe that the last two verses of Ecclesiastes are wrong, do you?
 
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So now you go by the way YOU see it instead of by what your leaders teach?

That sounds like Joseph Smith...and every Mormon 'prophet' after him, for that matter (e.g., Brigham Young instituting a ban on blacks in the priesthood, teaching the "Adam-God theory", etc). I guess what else can you expect when your religion is based on rebellion against Christianity and on 'continuing revelation', instead of belief in the scriptures.
 
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I thought It was made very clear by the verses I quoted that those who LOVE Jesus Christ will keep the commandments and those who do not LOVE Him will not keep the commandments. As a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints I believe that keeping the commandments is the way to show LOVE for Jesus Christ. Does anyone have a better way to show how much they LOVE Jesus? I remember what Jesus taught:

(New Testament | Matthew 25:40)

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Interesting. In other posts/threads you have admitted you aren't able to keep all the commandments all the time. So, by your words above, you do not love Jesus Christ.
 
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Interesting. In other posts/threads you have admitted you aren't able to keep all the commandments all the time. So, by your words above, you do not love Jesus Christ.
No one except Jesus Christ has been able to keep all of the commandments all of the time. That is why we have the proxy atonement. That being said after we repent and know the way of righteousness we should no longer sin.

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 16)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 
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