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Back to the closet? I don't think that's going to happen. I don't care to watch it, either. Fortunately the law applies to them, just as it does to heterosexuals.

I'm not saying go back to the closet, I'm just saying to shut up... I don't run around telling everyone I'm asexual..... This is the internet so no biggie saying it here. Then again, we aces don't have the problems LGBTQ people have because, well, asexuals don't do sex at all. lol Maybe some do but most prefer not too
 
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It's that pesky First Amendment, again. There are places in the world where people don't have the right to express their opinions. Some of them are civilized, and have running water and air conditioning. There just aren't any rights that the government doesn't want you to have.

Might be more acceptable to some?
 
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I think it's more to do with us getting tired of having their agenda thrown in our faces, shoved down our throats and blasted in our ears. We get it! You're gay; you're whatever. Cool. Why do you need to tell us? You know how you eliminate hate and conflict? Stop talking about it and throwing it in everyone's face. It makes things worse

I feel the same about obese, gluttonous people.
Stay inside! I'm tired of your supersized agenda being thrown in my face, shoved down my throat! We get it, you love to shovel all kinds of food in your pie hole, grow your body to an enormous size, putting undue strain on our medical system and an undue burden upon the rest of us who choose to take care of our Temple bodies the way God intended and are normal sized.

You even have your own "Big and Tall, Lane Bryant" stores that my kids and I have to walk past in the mall, forcing us to accept your sin in public.

Its disgusting.
 
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I think it's more to do with us getting tired of having their agenda thrown in our faces, shoved down our throats and blasted in our ears. We get it! You're gay; you're whatever. Cool. Why do you need to tell us? You know how you eliminate hate and conflict? Stop talking about it and throwing it in everyone's face. It makes things worse

I feel the same about obese, gluttonous people.
Stay inside! I'm tired of your supersized agenda being thrown in my face, shoved down my throat! We get it, you love to shovel all kinds of food in your pie hole, grow your body to an enormous size, putting undue strain on our medical system and an undue burden upon the rest of us who choose to take care of our Temple bodies the way God intended and are normal sized.

You even have your own "Big and Tall, Lane Bryant" stores that my kids and I have to walk past in the mall, forcing us to accept your sin in public.

Its disgusting.

I could really go on and on about conservative evangelical Christians, but I won't.
 
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Heterosexuals outnumber LBGTs by a very wide margin and so it is assumed that more sexual assaults are committed by heterosexuals than LGBTs. The jury is still out on this one and even if there are studies and statistics indicating that such is the case, what factored into the results would also have to be considered since what questions are asked and what factors are considered do affect the integrity of the results.

Do a search of serial killers and you will find something that may/may not be surprising to you.
 
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So God Thinks certain sins are REALLY BAD, while other sins are just Kinda Bad?

Well, yes, of course. You ought to understand Mortal and Venial Sins, which makes the point you are apparently horrified by.

Beyond that, the Bible lists specific sins that prevent one from inheriting the kingdom of God. These sins are especially to be avoided since they are especially mentioned.

Beyond that, it is clear the homosexuality violates the ultimate moral standard, life, and is therefore as bad as murder, suicide and abortion. Even rape is not as bad as homosexuality.
 
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If you repent of your sins, then only are you welcome to where sin is not allowed.

ALL sins? or just the really bad ones that God hates "Especially"?

All sins must be repented OR suffer the hell fires (purgatory). Study 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (VOICE)
 
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I do not recognize your God as real.

The God I believe in loves everything God made and declared it good, and that includes gay people.

You believe in a notion of God that is a reflection of your need to have clear categories of right and wrong behavior so that you can give up a sense of personal responsibility over your own life. I believe we have enough understanding of psychology to know those are primitive human cultic instincts of purity/impurity and do not reflect some kind of superhuman consciousness.


God did not make anyone gay, but it is sin that makes people gay. To say otherwise is a blasphemous notion. When God created the heavens and the earth, everything was created according to His desired design, but when sin, through Adam entered into the world (Rom. 5:12) and produced the inherent corruption within us that leads us into doing that which is contrary to what God sees as good. It is also what produces in us affections inordinate and in opposition to the natural affections that God created everyone to have.


It is also that sin that separates from God and causes us to fall short of His glory (Rom. 3:23) and as consequence, even the least of sins is enough to keep us out of the Kingdom of Heaven and sentence us to an eternity of torment for God, who is sinless, cannot allow the taint of sin into His Kingdom or into His presence. It is not just our outward behavior that keeps us out of Heaven, but also the words we speak and the thoughts we entertain and harbor in our hearts and minds.


But it is the love of God that sent Christ into the world to pay the penalty for our sins so that we who place our trust in the Lord for the forgiveness of sins by the blood He shed for us on the cross would not suffer eternal damnation but that we would have everlasting life and salvation.


But Christ did not die for our sins and raise from the dead so that we could continue to remain in our sins but so that we might be free from the power of those sins which would otherwise condemn us to an eternity of torment in the darkness and fires of Hell.


But instead of committing yourself to be conformed to the image of Christ, because you love your LGBT sin more than the godliness by which we are commanded to live, you have idolatrously set up in your heart a concept of God that conforms to your image and accommodates for your sin.




“You believe in a notion of God that is a reflection of your need to have clear categories of right and wrong behavior so that you can give up a sense of personal responsibility over your own life. I believe we have enough understanding of psychology to know those are primitive human cultic instincts of purity/impurity and do not reflect some kind of superhuman consciousness.”






It because of sin that we need clear categories of right and wrong behavior which have been clearly defined by our Creator. He has instilled in us that understanding between right and wrong, good and evil in our consciences which are ignored, in our hearts which we harden, on tablets of stone (Ex. 24:12) which are not regarded, and in the scriptures which we refuse to trust in and obey.


Clear categories of right and wrong decreed by our Maker are inescapable and it is when the knowledge of sin and what is right and wrong comes to us that we are made more responsible for the choices we make than when we were not aware of sin. For as it is written, “sin is not imputed where there is no law” (Rom. 5:13) but once we are made aware of the law, sin is imputed and we are held accountable and responsible for our behavior.


What is the product of primitive human cultic instincts is the refusal to retain a clear distinction between what is right and what is wrong as defined by our Maker which results from a refusal to retain Him in our knowledge. (Rom. 1:28)


That basic understanding of right and wrong existent in all nations, societies, and cultures cannot be traced back to any single civilization, culture, nation, or people. It can only be traced back to a Divine Law Giver whose ways were once made clear to all men, but over time, because they refused to serve and obey Him, they went astray from the laws which He had set before them and rather than becoming more enlightened, they became more primitive.


Without clear definitions of right and wrong, no culture or society can ever function or even survive. Without the law, there would be unrestrained evil of every sort imaginable and though the law is not to be looked to for eternal salvation, it is still necessary for the restraining of those corrupted, self-serving, evil, and reprobate sensualities, carnal passions, and self-centered ambitions which otherwise would go unchecked.


The only reason there is to deny a clear black and white difference between right and wrong, good and evil is because one does not want to take responsibility for the choices they make but that will not deliver you from that day of judgment when all must give an account for all things said and done in this life; even down to their innermost thoughts, dreams, and motives.


Hide behind as much psychological philosophy as you like, but all that will be discredited before God and you will find yourself without excuse but by that time, it will be too late. That is why I would urge you to examine yourself before God this day all the motives and reasoning behind why you persist in the error that you do lest Jesus should say to you, “Depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you.” (Mt. 7:22)


And nothing could be more worse than to hear those words for when those words are said, we who have no made ourselves right before God will be separated from Him for all eternity.
 
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Well, yes, of course. You ought to understand Mortal and Venial Sins, which makes the point you are apparently horrified by.
What makes you think I’m horrified? I’m genuinely curious about that.

Beyond that, the Bible lists specific sins that prevent one from inheriting the kingdom of God.
Do you mean the ones I listed from Matthew 25?

Even rape is not as bad as homosexuality.
I’m just gonna let that last one ring out for all our readers.

Edit: No I'm not.
I'm going to call you to account for this statement.
Please demonstrate this assertion.
Tell us, HOW is it worse?
Be as specific as possible... what fate does the unrepentant Homosexual suffer that is WORSE than the unrepentant Rapist suffers for his transgression?
 
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All sins must be repented OR suffer the hell fires (purgatory). Study 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (VOICE)

So you agree at the unrepentant heterosexual thief suffers the EXACT same eternal fate as the unrepentant homosexual. You agree that when all is said and done they wind up in the same hellfire.

So really your propensity to single out homosexuality as a special concern of yours really has more to do with you then it Has to do with other sinners Or sin in general as a means of separating a human being from God.

Perhaps it’s a temptation you’re struggling with personally that makes it so personal for you?

Or maybe a loved one is struggling with it?

I have often found such to be the case among the most vocal opponents of one particular sin over another. They have a personal stake in the particular sin, and like how any motivational self talk works, vocalizing affirmations against the sin can be very therapeutic in conditioning ones self to actually live the words.

It can be a tremendously effective tool for those who need it.
 
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For as it is written, “sin is not imputed where there is no law” (Rom. 5:13) but once we are made aware of the law, sin is imputed and we are held accountable and responsible for our behavior.

You are misapplying this passage.

The Law in this passage is the MOSAIC LAW:

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Paul expounds upon this idea in 1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.

Before the Law was given to Moses, ALL were condemned to death whether they sinned or not. As the scripture clearly states, "nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned".

When The Law was given to Moses, it added the strength of individual condemnation to the personal act of sinning, and erected the scaffolding that prepared the way for the Christ.

Now that the mosaic law is fulfilled, that scaffolding became obsolete and passed away when the mosaic temple economy was dismantled, and the Christic Law, and the new and Everlsating Temple of His Body, are what remains.
Our sins no longer have the strength to prevent us from salvation, the way they did under the old covenant, mosaic system, which was the 'parenthesis' between Adam and Christ where individual sins had the strength to prevent salvation..

Sin is no longer the measuring stick God uses in determining who makes the cut the way it was under the old covenant mosaic system.

Today, you are ether "in Adam", as in the beginning, Condemned whether you sin or not, as scripture testifies was the case:
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned"

or

You are "In Christ", Saved, even though you are a sinner.

In Fact, only sinners get saved!

You can live a perfectly sinless life, and that will not get you into heaven if you "pass" on the gift of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, bought and paid for on the cross.

Not sinning, By itself, is absolutely powerless to earn you eternal salvation.

Conversely, There is not even one sin that is more powerful than Christ's atoning sacrifice.

Not even one.
 
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Ok... do you apply this reasoning with consistency? or is it only used toward LGBT?

For Example, do you feel the same about unrepentant Gluttons?
They too choose behavior that is sinful in the eyes of God over that which is holy and pleasing in His sight, and the unrepentant glutton winds up in the very same lake of fire right next to the unrepentant Homosexual, correct?

I find their behavior disgusting and repulsive, and I am offended when they are out in public stuffing their face, shoving their behavior down my throat by forcing my and my kids to have to watch them nom nom nom nom on everything in sight.

Do you?




There is also a clear and undeniable agenda to normalize gluttony in the entertainment industry, as well as industry in general...

Supersize your Happy Meal Everybody!

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Shows like "My 600LB life" clearly seek to normalize gluttony, obesity and other disgusting, immoral, Sinful choices that go against God.

God treats the unrepentant Glutton and the unrepentant Homosexual EQUALLY.​

So do I.
Do you?​

Or do you only bristle at and rail against SOME behaviors that are sinful in the eyes of God, while others you quickly “give a pass” to or perhaps even seek to acquire affirmation for?

How many Threads on the Disgusting, immoral choice of Gluttony have you chimed in on, registering your righteous indignation for?


I have found gluttony mentioned in scripture only four times while other sins, including LGBT behavior, are mentioned much more frequently.


Gluttony is found in the following passages:




1. Deuteronomy 21:20


2. Proverbs 23:21


3. Matthew 11:19


4. Luke. 7:34




Whereas passages either pertaining to or even applying to LGBT behavior are found at least eight different times:




1. Leviticus 18:22


2. Leviticus 20:13


3. Deuteronomy 22:5


4. Romans 1:26-27 (In greatest detail)


5. 1 Corinthians 6:9


6. Colossians 3:5-6


7. 1 Timothy 1:10


8. Revelation 21:8




And perhaps even more if we look up the word “abomination” which LGBT behavior is in the sight of God.


But why isn’t gluttony mentioned as being amongst the listed sins towards which God’s wrath is directed and which will not inherit the Kingdom of God?




1. Rom. 1:26-27


2. 1 Corinthians 6:9


3. Colossians 3:5-6


4. Revelation 21:8




That is not to say that gluttony is not a sin that is also punishable by eternal damnation, but why is it that God judges LGBT behavior more harshly than even gluttony? He declares LGBT behavior to be an abomination but yet does not include gluttony in the sins that are in the category of being abominable or hates the most.


Before accusing me of treating one sin differently than another, you should be asking why God judges some sins more harshly than others. It is one thing to accuse me of being unfair. Are you going to accuse God of being unfair?


"How many Threads on the Disgusting, immoral choice of Gluttony have you chimed in on, registering your righteous indignation for?"


I have not come across any threads on gluttony yet. Maybe you should start one. As for "righteous indignation", expect that kind of backlash to happen when you promote LGBT behavior affirming sympathies in a setting that might not widely agree with it or your "shaming" tactics. And if you decide that you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
 
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Not sure I follow your logic.

The thought of me Being Involved in Garbage collection, or sewer repair causes revulsion within me and I would never say yes to anyone who approaches me to become involved in it... I still appreciate Garbage collectors and sewer repair people, And I certainly don’t judge them harshly for choosing to engage in a behavior that I personally find repulsive and disgusting.

As the other poster suggested, If a woman solicits any intimate involvement with me that I'm not interested in, I'm first flattered, and then I simply say no thanks.

Same if it were a man.

The logic you are employing just doesn't make any sense.
If a gay person makes an unwanted advance, their gayness is to blame, but if a straight person makes an unwanted advance, their straightness is NOT to blame?

Isn't the unwanted advance itself the problem, and not the Sexual orientation?

A woman is exponentially more likely to have to fend off unwanted advances from a heterosexual man, than she is from a lesbian.

Astronomically so.



“Not sure I follow your logic.”


Not sure why it is hard to understand.



“The thought of me Being Involved in Garbage collection, or sewer repair causes revulsion within me and I would never say yes to anyone who approaches me to become involved in it... I still appreciate Garbage collectors and sewer repair people, And I certainly don’t judge them harshly for choosing to engage in a behavior that I personally find repulsive and disgusting.”


First of all, there is no moral or theological prohibition against garbage collecting or sewer repair and secondly the revulsion that one might feel towards that kind of environment is not at the same level as a heterosexual might feel towards being subjected to an LGBT relationship.

From a heterosexual perspective, the thought of being involved in an LGBT relationship causes a revulsion that screams “violation” while sewer repair or garbage collecting causes a more mild disgust and can be just a mere gross out. Even those who may not favor such occupations will, if it comes down to it, will repair a toilet line or clean up garbage if necessity demands it.

It is just like there are different levels of fear caused by different things. Not all fears possess the same level of severity and so not all forms of disgust possess the same level of severity either.


“The logic you are employing just doesn't make any sense.
If a gay person makes an unwanted advance, their gayness is to blame, but if a straight person makes an unwanted advance, their straightness is NOT to blame?

Isn't the unwanted advance itself the problem, and not the Sexual orientation?”


The sin of lust is the problem, but it seems like you are delving into semantics when the issues is about why a seemingly increasing number of young people express being uncomfortable about interacting with an LGBT person, are less enthusiastic about LGBT causes and what that means.


“A woman is exponentially more likely to have to fend off unwanted advances from a heterosexual man, than she is from a lesbian.

Astronomically so.”


If that is true, that would mean that women are not as strictly heterosexual as compared to men who identify as being strictly heterosexual. Not that I really believe that such is the case, but I am now curious as to what the women participating on this thread would have to say about such a claim because I find myself skeptical of your claim that a heterosexual woman would be less likely to fend off an advance from a lesbian than a heterosexual man. I would think she would fend off both unwanted advances equally.
 
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“A woman is exponentially more likely to have to fend off unwanted advances from a heterosexual man, than she is from a lesbian.

Astronomically so.”


If that is true, that would mean that women are not as strictly heterosexual as compared to men who identify as being strictly heterosexual. Not that I really believe that such is the case, but I am now curious as to what the women participating on this thread would have to say about such a claim because I find myself skeptical of your claim that a heterosexual woman would be less likely to fend off an advance from a lesbian than a heterosexual man. I would think she would fend off both unwanted advances equally.

It appears you have misunderstood my point.
A woman is far Less likely to have to fend off advances form a lesbian than she is from a heterosexual man.

I recommend you solicit all the women you can to chime in on whether or not they find that to be true.
 
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Before accusing me of treating one sin differently than another, you should be asking why God judges some sins more harshly than others.
Rather, I think I’ll ask you HOW God Judges some sins more harshly than others?

What fate does the unrepentant Homosexual suffer that the unrepentant Glutton (or Rapist) does not, due to God’s “harshness” distinction in rendering His Judgement?

Please be as specific as possible.

And go ahead and review my post #132 in This thread for the Biblical understanding of the role our sins play in God’s Judgement of us today.

 
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And if you decide that you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
That’s cute.
You’re new here, Right?

Stick with me, kid..
You’ll find out soon enough just how much heat this kitchen puts out.
 
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I could really go on and on about conservative evangelical Christians, but I won't.

Shiloh, I’m not an evangelical Christian but I raised the weight issue with a member in the past. It never comes up and I’m at a loss how it’s ignored in light of the increasing health dilemmas we’re facing. I’ve attended three well-known churches and over the period of time of my membership the subject was never raised.

While I understand the issues surrounding abortion and homosexuality the discussions far exceed other prohibitions the bible addresses. Call it a fixation, bias, what have you. It’s hard to excuse nonetheless. :)
 
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It appears you have misunderstood my point.
A woman is far Less likely to have to fend off advances form a lesbian than she is from a heterosexual man.

I recommend you solicit all the women you can to chime in on whether or not they find that to be true.

Correct. I lived in a neighborhood in my teens with a large gay demographic. Complete with baths, bars, and parades. I was never propositioned by a woman during my youth or the instances when I’ve been in the area since then.

Lesbians don’t randomly make advances to women. Particularly in settings where sexual orientation is unknown. It is more probable you’ll encounter this where the majority (or spirit) of the gathering is gay-friendly.

In other words, when you’re in their space.
 
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You are misapplying this passage.

The Law in this passage is the MOSAIC LAW:

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Paul expounds upon this idea in 1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.

Before the Law was given to Moses, ALL were condemned to death whether they sinned or not. As the scripture clearly states, "nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned".

When The Law was given to Moses, it added the strength of individual condemnation to the personal act of sinning, and erected the scaffolding that prepared the way for the Christ.

Now that the mosaic law is fulfilled, that scaffolding became obsolete and passed away when the mosaic temple economy was dismantled, and the Christic Law, and the new and Everlsating Temple of His Body, are what remains.
Our sins no longer have the strength to prevent us from salvation, the way they did under the old covenant, mosaic system, which was the 'parenthesis' between Adam and Christ where individual sins had the strength to prevent salvation..

Sin is no longer the measuring stick God uses in determining who makes the cut the way it was under the old covenant mosaic system.

Today, you are ether "in Adam", as in the beginning, Condemned whether you sin or not, as scripture testifies was the case:
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned"

or

You are "In Christ", Saved, even though you are a sinner.

In Fact, only sinners get saved!

You can live a perfectly sinless life, and that will not get you into heaven if you "pass" on the gift of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, bought and paid for on the cross.

Not sinning, By itself, is absolutely powerless to earn you eternal salvation.

Conversely, There is not even one sin that is more powerful than Christ's atoning sacrifice.

Not even one.



“You are misapplying this passage.

The Law in this passage is the MOSAIC LAW:

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.”



The Mosaic law is included in God’s law therefore it is all God’s law. Moses was just the instrument through whom the law was delivered but what Romans 5:13 is stating is that even though all sin, those are unware of their sin are not held accountable. We are only held accountable for that which we are made aware which what Paul also went on to explain:


“I had not known sin but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet” (Rom. 7:7) going on to explain that “sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence, For without the law sin was dead.” (Rom. 7:8)


He was at that moment held accountable for sin, standing condemned before the law because even though he wanted to keep the law and even tried to do so to the best of his ability, the inherent sinful nature that was in him, as is inherent in all of us, caused him to fall short and prevented him from keeping the law perfectly and it is because of sin that none are able to keep the law and therefore, anyone relying on the law for salvation is disqualified from entering into the Kingdom of Heaven.


“Before the Law was given to Moses, ALL were condemned to death whether they sinned or not. As the scripture clearly states, "nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned.’”


No one who has not sinned is condemned to death because the wages of sin is death, (Rom. 6:23) therefore if all die it is because all have sinned. We may not have sinned in the same way that Adam sinned, but because of the sinful nature that we inherited because of Adam’s transgression, we all sin and therefore we all die.


“When The Law was given to Moses, it added the strength of individual condemnation to the personal act of sinning, and erected the scaffolding that prepared the way for the Christ.

Now that the mosaic law is fulfilled, that scaffolding became obsolete and passed away when the mosaic temple economy was dismantled, and the Christic Law, and the new and Everlsating Temple of His Body, are what remains.”


The law has no power to condemn us because sin can no longer keep us from salvation for those of us who are in Christ, but just because we are under the law of grace does not give us permission to continue living in the sin we say we have repented from:


“Shall we continue to sin that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein…reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in you mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.” (Rom. 6:1-2, 11-13)

“For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries.”


“Sin is no longer the measuring stick God uses in determining who makes the cut the way it was under the old covenant mosaic system.”


It takes more than just mere lip service or a profession of faith to be saved. Our acceptance of Jesus and our trust in Him for our salvation must be done in sincerity and the evidence of that sincerity is manifested by a transformed life. Sin may not be the measuring stick God uses in what makes the cut the way it was under the Old Covenant system, No one ever really could make the cut even then. Even the Old Testament saints knew that they fell short of keeping the law because of sin no matter how hard they tried to keep it, which is why faith was what they still had to live by (Hab. 2:4) trusting that the grace of God would meet them where they fell short But God still measures the sincerity of each heart.


“You can live a perfectly sinless life, and that will not get you into heaven if you "pass" on the gift of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, bought and paid for on the cross.

Not sinning, By itself, is absolutely powerless to earn you eternal salvation.”


It is impossible to live a perfectly sinless life to begin with because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23) for if it were possible to go through life and not commit a single sin in any way shape or form, then our own righteousness would be sufficient enough to grant us entry into Heaven, but because of sin, our righteousness is not sufficient enough and that is why we rely on the righteousness of Christ who gave Himself on our behalf as that ultimate once and for all sacrifice for sins so that we who place our trust in Him would be forgiven of all of our sins and thereby be given salvation for all eternity and granted everlasting life.
 
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