If abortion is murder...

I think people who aborted their babies have some prayers of forgiveness to do for sure.

Jonaitis said:

...then should we punish the parent(s) who aborted their children?

"Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed,
for God made man in his own image."
- Genesis 9:6
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It seems to me that it is inconsistent for prolifers to be about ending abortion, because it is murder of an actual human being, but don't believe it is right to punish such a crime.

By the way, I am an abolitionist prolifer and stand against the genocide and holocaust of our culture.

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I do think it should be punishable by law, yes. Such an act will be judged by God, no doubt about it because it's murder and there is no way around it. Unless of course, the parents go to God and ask for forgiveness, then God is just to forgive.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

Which then, there's no need for man's forgiveness. Just as if someone who is in prison for murdering another human being (not in the womb) finds forgiveness from God while serving time, they still have to serve out their sentence here on earth, however long that may be. But once we have God's forgiveness, it is all we need. Too many woman commit this heinous act and the only reason some look at it as "complicated" is because they've bought into pro-choice propaganda.

if homosexuality is an abomination worthy of death, should people who practice it be given the death penalty?

we run into problems when we choose to make a belief system the rule of the day in the secular public square. abortion is absolutely murder and a sin in need of repentance, but the question we're asking is how the secular government should treat this action. while I believe religion should inform government, I don't think it should dictate to it and, really, the only thing we should be doing as followers of Christ for secular society is proclaiming the gospel.

we need to get out of the business of behavior modification when it comes to the unbeliever.

Since murder is illegal, then yes.

Jonaitis said:

are you saying that we should treat that child's life different than any other person who is murdered

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rather, you have to deal with the fact that the majority of society doesn't see this as murder.

biblically, it absolutely is. within secular society, not so much.

i'll say this. if we're gonna ask what the government should do, then yes, abortion is murder and should be punished by law. unfortunately, we don't live under a romans 13 government. we live under a secular, morally derelict, fallen man government that is consistently doing evil in the sight of the LORD. the only thing that will change this government and this society will be the proclamation of the gospel.

First of all, this thread needs to be moved for obvious reasons.

On topic, I voted No because the parents don't abort their baby. The doctor does that. The wording needs to be fixed.

I voted no. I’m not an activist, pro-life or pro-choice. Nor am I seeking to impose my beliefs on society. Including those who’ve chosen otherwise.

Only the Lord can soften a person’s heart. And until that takes place I will make no attempt to force its occurrence. I’m not privy to the reasons for their sins or mistake. That’s for God to resolve.

ChristianForCats said:

First of all, this thread needs to be moved for obvious reasons.

On topic, I voted No because the parents don't abort their baby. The doctor does that. The wording needs to be fixed.

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People that hire hitmen to kill somebody still go to jail though.

LaBèlla said:

I voted no. I’m not an activist, pro-life or pro-choice. Nor am I seeking to impose my beliefs on society. Including those who’ve chosen otherwise.

Only the Lord can soften a person’s heart. And until that takes place I will make no attempt to force its occurrence. I’m not privy to the reasons for their sins or mistake. That’s for God to resolve.

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But if you're to preach the Gospel to unbelievers, like scripture commands us to, by worldly standards you would be "imposing your beliefs on society". While it's true that only the Lord can soften a person's heart, we as believers still need to stand firm in what is Biblically and morally right or wrong. And abortion is murder, which is against God's commandment. While we shouldn't approach these people with condemnation, but with love so that they may know the love and mercy of Christ, the governments role and or punishment on the matter, is different. We don't individually punish criminals because we think they did wrong, but we leave that up to the law to give members of our society what is due to them for their corrupt actions. That is what this poll is about.

tryphena rose said:

But if you're to preach the Gospel to unbelievers, like scripture commands us to, by worldly standards you would be "imposing your beliefs on society".

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I don’t preach to unbelievers or anyone else. I let my character and deportment lead the way. If they can’t glimpse the gospel within my person I have larger issues to address.

Abortion is one of a litany of sins that people commit. I don’t assign greater weight to it or other hot button topics popular in some circles.

LaBèlla said:

I don’t preach to unbelievers or anyone else. I let my character and deportment lead the way. If they can’t glimpse the gospel within my person I have larger issues to address.

Abortion is one of a litany of sins that people commit. I don’t assign greater weight to it or other hot button topics popular in some circles.

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And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Matthew 28:12-20

Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 2 Timothy 4:2

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Romans 10:15

And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. Luke 4:43

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14

Jonaitis said:

It seems to me that it is inconsistent for prolifers to be about ending abortion, because it is murder of an actual human being, but don't believe it is right to punish such a crime.

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I believe it's right to punish such a crime, but I don't believe it's practical to punish it as the first degree murder that it really is. If your knife hasn't already been sharpened to an edge with a whetstone, then it does you no good to strop it with leather (A grossly evil nation cannot bear enforcement befitting a more civilized people).

tryphena rose said:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15

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The topic of this thread isn’t preaching the gospel. It’s the legal consequences of abortion for its recipients.

If someone kills a pregnant woman, they are charged with murdering the mother and they are charged with murdering her baby. It doesn't matter how far along she is...it is a murder charge. This has nothing to do with religious beliefs...it simply is the law.

Parents, the person who performs an abortion, and anyone who councils for the termination of a pregnancy should be held accountable just like anyone else who plans or conspires to commit murder. If not, there is a double standard to any law that allows abortion.

Jonaitis said:

It seems to me that it is inconsistent for prolifers to be about ending abortion, because it is murder of an actual human being, but don't believe it is right to punish such a crime.


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By the way, I am an abolitionist prolifer and stand against the genocide and holocaust of our culture.

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Punish if you like but, your argument is a weak one.
M-Bob

ChristianForCats said:

...I voted No because the parents don't abort their baby. The doctor does that. The wording needs to be fixed.

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Yanni depp said:

People that hire hitmen to kill somebody still go to jail though.

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This is correct: there are 2 or 3 people culpable in an abortion. One is the doctor; one is the mother; and one could be the dad, but not necessarily, because the mother might not have involved him.

As far as abortion-murders being punishable by death, the way our justice system works in the USA and the "western world," the legal system has to be able to prosecute the crime - and the easiest prosecution would be the doctors, since they'd be in possession of the evidence. To prosecute the woman, you would have to be able to prove that she was actually pregnant, and she knew it. It might also be important to the case whether or not she consented to get the abortion under duress - but isn't that the only reason a woman would kill her baby anyway? The father would be less culpable here unless the courts could prove he applied the duress, but he could still be just as guilty if the parents decided together to procure the abortion.

The question of who is punished and how harshly would therefore be decided in each individual case. But I also agree with this person:

nonaeroterraqueous said:

I believe it's right to punish such a crime, but I don't believe it's practical to punish it as the first degree murder that it really is. If your knife hasn't already been sharpened to an edge with a whetstone, then it does you no good to strop it with leather (A grossly evil nation cannot bear enforcement befitting a more civilized people).

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... in that the punishments of abortion would end up looking much like the punishments for rape: unpunished far too often, or not punished harshly enough.

On the positive side, the Lord always sees.

LaBèlla said:

The topic of this thread isn’t preaching the gospel. It’s the legal consequences of abortion for its recipients.

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But when we completely rest our faith in Christ it becomes the fruit which we bear, that being much bigger than an online thread. I'll be praying the Lord opens your eyes and ears to the fullness of His Truth. God bless you sister.