Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

Is there a "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9"


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Douggg

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Dan 11:
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

There is no jump into our future except in your imagination.
It is end times because the king will be a Jew, who magnifies himself in his heart, when he claims to have achieved God hood. For which he will be killed and brought back to life, as the beast of Revelation.

Different components of Daniel 11:36 through Daniel 12:13 match with other end times components in different text of the bible

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2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
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In Daniel 11:36, the king who exalts himself is the same person called the little horn in Daniel 8, and the revealed man of sin in 2 Thessalonians2:4, and the beast in Revelation.

It is the same person on his way to his destruction in the end times, when the resurrection of dead will take place in Daniel 12:2, which obviously has not happened yet.

The person in Daniel 11:36, is the person after he has become the beast in Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
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The person first comes to power in

Daniel 7 as the little horn, then...

Daniel 8:23 stands up, prepares for battle

Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog takes place

Daniel 8:9 little horn person moves into the middle east in the aftermath

Daniel 9:26 as prince who shall come

Daniel 9:27 perceived by the Jews as the messiah, confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant required by Moses for the 7 years (in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13)

Daniel 8:23 magnifies himself in his heart.
2Thessalonians2:4 claims to be God, transgression of desolation Daniel 8:11-12. The Jews then reject his messiahship.

Ezekiel 28:1-10 is killed for his action.

Isaiah 14:19-20 brought back to life as the beast

Daniel 11:36 as the beast, claiming to be God, a Jew who betrays his forefathers, his people, his land.

Daniel 11:40-44 near the end of the 7 years, the beast will be attacked by the south, north, and east because he will be directing all of the dwindling resources (speculation) to his ten leader western kingdom.

Daniel 11:44, the kings of the east march against the beast, as the euphrates is dried up Revelation 16:12. On their march westward, the kings of the east kill a third of the world of the beasts' followers
Revelation 9:16-18

Zechariah 14:2 God draws all nations into the middle east to come up against Jerusalem by the plagues and judgments that make resources scarce, and directed by the beast to his 10 king western kingdom. Forcing the other three global powers to have to make war on him.

Daniel 11:45 the beast's time runs out, the heavens will part in Revelation 6, the sixth seal, and Jesus will appear in heaven, to take judgement on the evil men on the earth.

Revelation 6:15-17, the kings of the earth, et all, react in terror.

Revelation 16:13-16, the beast, the false prophet, the dragon, convince them to unite to make war on Jesus, and devise a plan to take Jerusalem hostage.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:4-5 Jesus makes a way for the Jews to escape. Returning to the Mt of Olives, Acts1:11-12.

Revelation 19:21 destroys the armies gathered to make war against Him.
 
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This is simply a claim Biblewriter. It is not a fact. I'm pretty sure you're familiar with 1 & 2 Maccabees, so you flatly cannot make this statement.

Daniel 11:36-39 can easily be proven to be Antiochus Epiphanes. You equally "wrest" the scriptures yourself on the subject. The obvious reason would be this is past history, and it is obvious one cannot have "every detail"...and have to rely on the totality of what facts we have and come to a reasonable conclusion.
In actual fact, this is well known to both secular historians, who claim the very accuracy pf the account prove it could not have been written before the times described, and Biblical scholars who have not bought into the systematic misrepresentations of the Preterists and Historicists.
 
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Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Why did you rip Daniel 8:25 out of its historical context?

Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

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Why did you rip Daniel 8:25 out of its historical context?
The transgression of desolation is not historic, but time of the end.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
 
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The transgression of desolation is not historic, but time of the end.

Are you denying that the king of "Grecia" in Daniel 8 is Alexander the Great?

Are you denying that Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple during 167 BC?

Are you denying that John 10:22 bears witness to the above?



Some of us need a good history book...

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@BABerean2

Are you denying that the king of "Grecia" in Daniel 8 is Alexander the Great?


No.


Are you denying that Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple during 167 BC?

No.

Are you denying that John 10:22 bears witness to the above?

No.
 
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Actually, you are the one that is denying the basic reading and comprehension of the passage.

This statement is without basis and without any proof.Conversely I have given the basis whereby I make my claim that,you deny the basic reading and comprehension of the passage.The evidence is seen here:
Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

And your claim that "the historical accounts of the events, depicted in verse 36 onward are limited" is factually incorrect. We know just as much about the events after this time, if not more. The HARD FACT is, that the explicit fulfillment of EVERY DETAIL of the account ENDED at verse 36. Thereafter, the only "fulfillment" that can be claimed is grossly approximate "fulfillments," which are not fulfillments at all, in any rational sense.

This makes no sense.The entity spoken of in verse 36,which you say is fulfilled is the same entity being spoken of in verse 37.There is no change in subject at this time and in fact there has been no change in the main subject since verse 21.So regardless of the approximate fulfillment there is no transition to another entity.This can only be arrived at by the inventions of men like you.

This is typical of the claims made by those who are simply unwilling to believe what the Bible so very explicitly says will come to pass.

This again makes no sense as I do believe what the scriptures say and that this prophecy has been fulfilled.What I will not believe is the made up stories of men like you.
 
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My statement was poorly worded. I did not mean that the break came at the end of verse 36. I meant that the historical records plainly show that everything up to the beginning of verse 36 has been fulfilled, down to the tiniest detail. This is simple historical fact, attested to by even secular historians. The secular historians conclude that the very accuracy of this account is proof that it was not written until after the events recounted there had already taken place. Indeed, as in my youth I studied the secular accounts of the history of this time period, I would typically sleepily read for hours, and then suddenly sit bolt upright because the next sentence was straight out of Daniel 11.

But from the beginning of verse 36 to the end of the account, it is necessary to strain at the meaning of the text and grasp at historical straws to even pretend any of the rest of this account has ever taken place. From the beginning of verse 36 to the end of the chapter, EVERY alleged "fulfillment," without a SINGLE exception, has been nothing but a historical record that in some way bears a slight resemblance to a small part of a sentence in the text. In EVERY case, the very sentence alleged to have been fulfilled includes significant details that are either completely missing from the historical records, or are (often) contradicted by the historical records.

These two HARD FACTS are not just the imaginations of Biblical futurists, but are well known to secular historians, and indeed, to essentially all scholars who are not blinded by Preterism or Historicism.
 
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Are you denying that the king of "Grecia" in Daniel 8 is Alexander the Great?

Are you denying that Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple during 167 BC?

Are you denying that John 10:22 bears witness to the above?



Some of us need a good history book...

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I am perplexed as to why you think John 10:22 has anything to do with this.

"Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter." John 10:22
 
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I am perplexed as to why you think John 10:22 has anything to do with this.

"Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter." John 10:22

Are you saying there is no relationship between Daniel chapter 8, and Hanukkah?

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In actual fact, this is well known to both secular historians, who claim the very accuracy pf the account prove it could not have been written before the times described, and Biblical scholars who have not bought into the systematic misrepresentations of the Preterists and Historicists.
Biblewriter, please spare me this. Just for the sake of argument...can you answer why the "scholars" of Jesus day didn't acknowledge Him as messiah? Are you getting my drift?
 
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These two HARD FACTS are not just the imaginations of Biblical futurists, but are well known to secular historians, and indeed, to essentially all scholars who are not blinded by Preterism or Historicism.

This is the mantra of all those who deny the basic reading and comprehension of the passage in question and in their attempts to uphold bible and prophetic inerrancy they support the errors you and many others make.Since they are unable to prove,conclusively from the available historical sources,the fulfillment of verses 36 onward, they invent the story of this being about the future and so believe they have successfully answered the critics.

The simple fact however is that,the passage in no way supports a jump into the future.That is obvious to many and hence some even say the imaginary transition takes place at verse 40.Neither is supported by the basic reading and comprehension of the passage.

No one is able to show the transition from the passage but simply claim it must be so because of the difficulty in matching the historical sources with scripture.I can do no such thing and remain honest to myself and to basic reading and comprehension.The passage has evidence of transitions from one king to another but this is not found from verse 21 to the end.This can only be a description of one king unless something is missing from the passage.Here again is the evidence of the transitions:
Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

For those who claim this is a description of the final anti-christ or the man of sin there is even more evidence that this is a colossal error.In both Daniel 2,and Daniel 7,at the conclusion of the events described, the coming of God's kingdom occurs.

Dan 2:
44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


Dan 7:
12As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

There is nothing of this sort in this passage and the king described comes to his end and there is no description of the coming of the Lord bringing the king's reign to end.

Dan 11:
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


With all this in mind,one of the hard fact is really nothing at all and can have no bearing on the primary interpretation of the passage.All who do otherwise have invented stories not supported by the basic reading and comprehension of the passage.
 
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This is the mantra of all those who deny the basic reading and comprehension of the passage in question and in their attempts to uphold bible and prophetic inerrancy they support the errors you and many others make.Since they are unable to prove,conclusively from the available historical sources,the fulfillment of verses 36 onward, they invent the story of this being about the future and so believe they have successfully answered the critics.

The simple fact however is that,the passage in no way supports a jump into the future.That is obvious to many and hence some even say the imaginary transition takes place at verse 40.Neither is supported by the basic reading and comprehension of the passage.

No one is able to show the transition from the passage but simply claim it must be so because of the difficulty in matching the historical sources with scripture.I can do no such thing and remain honest to myself and to basic reading and comprehension.The passage has evidence of transitions from one king to another but this is not found from verse 21 to the end.This can only be a description of one king unless something is missing from the passage.Here again is the evidence of the transitions:
Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

For those who claim this is a description of the final anti-christ or the man of sin there is even more evidence that this is a colossal error.In both Daniel 2,and Daniel 7,at the conclusion of the events described, the coming of God's kingdom occurs.

Dan 2:
44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


Dan 7:
12As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

There is nothing of this sort in this passage and the king described comes to his end and there is no description of the coming of the Lord bringing the king's reign to end.

Dan 11:
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


With all this in mind,one of the hard fact is really nothing at all and can have no bearing on the primary interpretation of the passage.All who do otherwise have invented stories not supported by the basic reading and comprehension of the passage.
Pretty much on point. As a young Christian back in 1987 when I was taught "we're currently still in the middle of the 69th week", I began to search the scriptures that declare that. I'm still looking for them...
 
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I am perplexed as to why you think John 10:22 has anything to do with this.

"Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter." John 10:22
I think the point is...Jesus celebrated the Feast of Dedication...so it definitely gives credence to the fact that Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple as well as the rededication after the temple was cleansed.
 
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It is end times because the king will be a Jew, who magnifies himself in his heart, when he claims to have achieved God hood. For which he will be killed and brought back to life, as the beast of Revelation.

The passage in question(Daniel11)does not support a jump to our future. The entity being described in verse 36 is the same entity mentioned initially from verse 21.This description continues all through to the end of the chapter and there is no transition to either another king or another time. There is no wording like, “then another king”, or “then many days after”, which would show a change of subject and a change of timing and which could then support a transition from an event in the past to being an event in our future. This all occurred during the kingdom of Grecia and its various divisions.





Different components of Daniel 11:36 through Daniel 12:13 match with other end times components in different text of the bible

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2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
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In Daniel 11:36, the king who exalts himself is the same person called the little horn in Daniel 8, and the revealed man of sin in 2 Thessalonians2:4, and the beast in Revelation.

It is the same person on his way to his destruction in the end times, when the resurrection of dead will take place in Daniel 12:2, which obviously has not happened yet.

The person in Daniel 11:36, is the person after he has become the beast in Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


You are mixing events in one kingdom with events in another in some instances here. Daniel 11 and Daniel 8 depict events in the kingdom of Grecia. However II Thessalonians 2 and Revelation are about events in the fourth kingdom or its derivatives as during and after the advent of Jesus it was Rome,and not Grecia,which was the world ruling kingdom. Hence these passages cannot all be referring to the same person as you claim.


The person first comes to power in

Daniel 7 as the little horn, then...

This king is found in the fourth kingdom as is plainly stated in the chapter.

Dan 7:
19Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others,exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.




Daniel 8:23 stands up, prepares for battle

This king is found in the third kingdom of Grecia and hence cannot be the same as the entity as the horn of Daniel 7.Read it here:

Dan 8:
21And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king Of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.


All of this has been fulfilled by the actions of Antiochus IV.


Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog takes place

Daniel 8:9 little horn person moves into the middle east in the aftermath

Daniel 9:26 as prince who shall come

Daniel 9:27 perceived by the Jews as the messiah, confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant required by Moses for the 7 years (in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13)

Daniel 8:23 magnifies himself in his heart.
2Thessalonians2:4 claims to be God, transgression of desolation Daniel 8:11-12. The Jews then reject his messiahship.

Ezekiel 28:1-10 is killed for his action.

Isaiah 14:19-20 brought back to life as the beast

Daniel 11:36 as the beast, claiming to be God, a Jew who betrays his forefathers, his people, his land.

Daniel 11:40-44 near the end of the 7 years, the beast will be attacked by the south, north, and east because he will be directing all of the dwindling resources (speculation) to his ten leader western kingdom.

Again the entities described in Daniel 8,11 are all entities in the third kingdom of Grecia.All have been accomplished in the desolation of the temple by Antiochus IV and the restoration of the temple by the Israelites through Mattathias and his sons.

Daniel 9 refers to the restoration of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the temple which had been destroyed at the time of the Babylonian captivity. This rebuilt temple would then be desolated by Antiochus IV when he arrives on the scene. This is why Daniel did not fully understand the vision revealed to him in Daniel 8 as he could not understand how a temple was to be desecrated when there was none to desecrate.(Daniel 8:27) Read it here:

Dan 9:
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Of course the term messiah the prince is not a reference to the Lord Jesus but a reference to either the leader of the people or the high priest who would be in office at that time.Notice that the same word(messiah) is used to describe Cyrus but was translated as anointed in that instance.


Isa 45:
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Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates;and the gates shall not be shut;



Daniel 11:44, the kings of the east march against the beast, as the euphrates is dried up Revelation 16:12. On their march westward, the kings of the east kill a third of the world of the beasts' followers
Revelation 9:16-18

Zechariah 14:2 God draws all nations into the middle east to come up against Jerusalem by the plagues and judgments that make resources scarce, and directed by the beast to his 10 king western kingdom. Forcing the other three global powers to have to make war on him.

Daniel 11:45 the beast's time runs out, the heavens will part in Revelation 6, the sixth seal, and Jesus will appear in heaven, to take judgement on the evil men on the earth.

Revelation 6:15-17, the kings of the earth, et all, react in terror.

Revelation 16:13-16, the beast, the false prophet, the dragon, convince them to unite to make war on Jesus, and devise a plan to take Jerusalem hostage.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:4-5 Jesus makes a way for the Jews to escape. Returning to the Mt of Olives, Acts1:11-12.

Revelation 19:21 destroys the armies gathered to make war against Him.

An important feature of Daniel 8 and Daniel 11 which denies that these occur at the time of the coming of the Lord is the absence of this description in the narratives. In both Daniel 2,and Daniel 7,at the conclusion of the events described, the coming of God's kingdom occurs.

Dan 2:
44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


Dan 7:
12As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.




There is nothing of this sort in either passage(Daniel8,11) and the king described,comes to his end and there is no description of the coming of the Lord bringing the king's reign to end.


Daniel 8:
24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully,and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
26And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Dan 11:
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

There is nothing about the coming of the kingdom of God here because it is not referring to the same,unlike the prophecies of Daniel 2 and 7.If these distinctions are recognized and accounted for,then much error could be avoided.

 
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Pretty much on point. As a young Christian back in 1987 when I was taught "we're currently still in the middle of the 69th week", I began to search the scriptures that declare that. I'm still looking for them...

It amazed me also,when studying the issue,as to how a prophecy about 70 weeks could become one of 69 + a yet to be determined length of time and still be a prophecy of 70 weeks.
 
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Daniel 8:17 time of the end
Daniel 11:35 time of the end
Daniel 12:4 time of the end


(1) knowing the path of the person, to being the King of the Roman empire, then to being the Antichrist for a while, and ending as the King of the Roman empire.

(2) knowing that Ezekiel 38-39 gives the three part condensed picture of the end times.
that is, Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon at Jesus's return.

(3) knowing that the seals are the overview of the 7 years, and Revelation 6-19 chapters give the details thereof...

Those are the building blocks for putting everything together.


Regarding (1) ....Here is a basic chart I made of the person's roles he will go through on his way to his destruction.
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It amazed me also,when studying the issue,as to how a prophecy about 70 weeks could become one of 69 + a yet to be determined length of time and still be a prophecy of 70 weeks.
The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39 following Gog/Magog.
 
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Daniel 8:17 time of the end
Daniel 11:35 time of the end
Daniel 12:4 time of the end


(1) knowing the path of the person, to being the King of the Roman empire, then to being the Antichrist for a while, and ending as the King of the Roman empire.

(2) knowing that Ezekiel 38-39 gives the three part condensed picture of the end times.
that is, Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon at Jesus's return.

(3) knowing that the seals are the overview of the 7 years, and Revelation 6-19 chapters give the details thereof...

Those are the building blocks for putting everything together.


Regarding (1) ....Here is a basic chart I made of the person's roles he will go through on his way to his destruction.View attachment 259152

You ignore the established timelines in the various visions to your detriment.The phrase, "time of the end",is problematic if viewed in isolation,but when taken with the timeline evidence in the passages in question will leave no doubt that this could not be referring to the time of Jesus' second advent.Just take time to look at the evidence presented.

Here is another explanation of the timelines previously submitted:

Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

What time of the end means:

The verses in question:

Dan 11:
35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

Again we are confused by the statement, "the time of the end".A proper reading and understanding of the passage in question should alleviate this however.There is no indication that the description of events is moving to the days prior to the coming of the Lord.The statement in vs.35,is simply showing that the events being depicted are for a time future to Daniel and that there is a time appointed for them to be concluded i.e., come to an end and this would be the time of the end where these events are concerned.

If this is not understood however there are other portions of the visions and explanations which shed light on the meaning of the term "time of the end".

The phrase,"time of the end", is best explained in Daniel 11 and in Daniel 8,also.

Daniel 11:
27.....for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Daniel 8:
19And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

The time of the end is the time God has appointed for the events described in the vision to be accomplished.

end - ( Strong's,7093) Contracted from ,7112; an extremity; adverbially (with prepositional prefix) after:

From the statements and meaning above it can be seen that the word end can refer to a time after the present but not necessarily at the end of the world.
 
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