LDS Book of Mormon is Anti-Bible and Anti-Non-Mormon Churches

Phoebe Ann said:

No, your statement reveals that you do not understand the past teachings of your church or your scripture. There are ONLY TWO Churches. No one can belong to your church unless they are baptized and confirmed by a man who holds the priesthood. Methodist, Presbyterians, Baptists, Catholics and Orthodox are NOT Latter-day Saints. The Mormon god, according to Joseph Smith, never said that non-Mormons are members if his only true church.

And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth. (1 Nephi 14:10)

Methodists don't belong to your church, neither do the others. The only ones, according to Mormonism, who have authority to baptize are those who have either the Aaronic or Melchezidek Priedthood.

The church of the Lamb of God is whose church? Who is the Lamb of God? Do you know His name?

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270)

. . .he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is anti-christ. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 312)

"Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
B. H. Roberts, History of the Church, Vol. 1, Introduction, xl

Doctrine and Covenants 84
87 Behold, I send you out to reprove the world of all their unrighteous deeds, and to teach them of a judgment which is to come.

88 And whoso receiveth you, there I will be also, for I will go before your face. I will be on your right hand and on your left, and my Spirit shall be in your hearts, and mine angels round about you, to bear you up.

89 Whoso receiveth you receiveth me; and the same will feed you, and clothe you, and give you money.

90 And he who feeds you, or clothes you, or gives you money, shall in nowise lose his reward.

91 And he that doeth not these things is not my disciple; by this you may know my disciples.

92 He that receiveth you not, go away from him alone by yourselves, and cleanse your feet even with water, pure water, whether in heat or in cold, and bear testimony of it unto your Father which is in heaven, and return not again unto that man.
Doctrine and Covenants 84

Your church even changed its official website to whose church?

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You said: "There are ONLY TWO Churches. No one can belong to your church unless they are baptized and confirmed by a man who holds the priesthood. Methodist, Presbyterians, Baptists, Catholics and Orthodox are NOT Latter-day Saints. The Mormon god, according to Joseph Smith, never said that non-Mormons are members if his only true church."

In order to be a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints a person does need to be baptized ether by immersion or by proxy for the dead. That being said Do not Methodist, Presbyterians, Baptists, Catholics and Orthodox churches also believe in baptism? Would the Catholic church recognize a Methodist baptism an official ordinance?

The Book of Mormon states:
(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 14:10)

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

Of course this was not about physical churches because there are many churches on the earth. This was about good vs evil, being of the world or not of the world, serving God or mammon. The Bible states:

(New Testament | John 8:42 - 59)

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Why did Jesus say they were of their father the devil? Was it because they belonged to the wrong church? Which church did they belong to? Was it Christ's church or the church of the devil? Jesus spelled it out when He said: Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Phoebe Ann said:

It doesn't mention good versus evil; it is talking about churches. Read the rest of my post. There is only ONE church that pleases your god! You are guilty of twisting your own scriptures! You can argue till doomsday, but it won't change 1 Nephi 14:10 or what Joseph Smith claimed the Lord told him:

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270)


19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”...


But Joseph Smith LIED! He did NOT see God. Perhaps he was hallucinating or he saw demons:
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

John 1:18 NIV
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Doctrine and Covenants 84
19 And this greater priesthood administereth the gospel and holdeth the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God.

20 Therefore, in the ordinances thereof, the power of godliness is manifest.

21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh;

22 For without this no man can see the face of God, even the Father, and live.

As I informed you Joseph Smith lied when he claimed to have seen God.

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There is only one church that has the authority to do the ordinances necessary for the salvation of man. However, every church believes they are that church.

(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:5)

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:17)

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

(New Testament | Matthew 15:8 - 9)

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

He is the way said:

There is only one church that has the authority to do the ordinances necessary for the salvation of man. However, every church believes they are that church.

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I don't think that's true at all. My Church, for instance, has no belief whatsoever in "ordinances necessary for the salvation of man", because we're not Mormons, so we don't have a belief in "saving ordinances", as I've seen them called by Mormons. All that is necessary for the salvation of mankind is accomplished on the cross once and forever in our actually-existing world (not on Kolob or some other made up planet with its own other god or set of gods) by the crucifixion, death, and glorious resurrection of Christ Jesus our Lord, God, and Savior, because it is by His defeat of death through the cross that we are saved. Not because we go to a temple and perform "ordinances" in it. Were it otherwise in Christianity, then presumably everyone who goes to liturgy/mass/worship would be saved...would that this were the case, but our religion is not so externalized as that.

dzheremi said:

I don't think that's true at all. My Church, for instance, has no belief whatsoever in "ordinances necessary for the salvation of man", because we're not Mormons, so we don't have a belief in "saving ordinances", as I've seen them called by Mormons. All that is necessary for the salvation of mankind is accomplished on the cross once and forever in our actually-existing world (not on Kolob or some other made up planet with its own other god or set of gods) by the crucifixion, death, and glorious resurrection of Christ Jesus our Lord, God, and Savior, because it is by His defeat of death through the cross that we are saved. Not because we go to a temple and perform "ordinances" in it. Were it otherwise in Christianity, then presumably everyone who goes to liturgy/mass/worship would be saved...would that this were the case, but our religion is not so externalized as that.

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You don't believe that baptism is a saving ordinance?:

(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:21)

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

twin.spin said:

and that is why there are Christian ministries specifically witnessing to Mormons the Biblical Jesus … one that I know of particularly is actively witnessing in Provo to make disciples for Christ.

This is the Gospel that God revealed found in Biblical Christianity:

That through his (Jesus') voluntary sacrifice on the cross, perfect life and good works as substitute for you, Jesus fulfilled the necessary payment ("atonement") for all sin. Therefore, salvation is free and full in Jesus. No more "payments" can be made or required. Hebrews 10:18​

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1/2 of the NT is telling us how we should live, is that important to you?

dzheremi said:

I don't think that's true at all. My Church, for instance, has no belief whatsoever in "ordinances necessary for the salvation of man", because we're not Mormons, so we don't have a belief in "saving ordinances", as I've seen them called by Mormons. All that is necessary for the salvation of mankind is accomplished on the cross once and forever in our actually-existing world (not on Kolob or some other made up planet with its own other god or set of gods) by the crucifixion, death, and glorious resurrection of Christ Jesus our Lord, God, and Savior, because it is by His defeat of death through the cross that we are saved. Not because we go to a temple and perform "ordinances" in it. Were it otherwise in Christianity, then presumably everyone who goes to liturgy/mass/worship would be saved...would that this were the case, but our religion is not so externalized as that.

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That is interesting that your church does not believe that there are 'ordinances necessary for the salvation of man'.

The bible tells us of 3 ordinances that I am surprised your church dos not acknowledge, and do for the salvation of your parishioners.
1) the ordinance of baptism (Matthew 3:14-17, Acts 2:38, John 3:5, many, many more)
2) the ordinance of the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:17, Acts 9:6)
3) the ordinance of the sacrament of the Lord's supper (John 6:53-54, Luke 22:19-20,)

You can also say that there are other lesser known or not sure they are ordinances, such as the ordinance of anointing with oil and healing the sick, and the ordinance of the washing of the feet, and the ordinance of marriage.

In the Church of Jesus Christ there are other ordinances such as temple ordinances that are not clearly found in the Bible.

BTW, your denying the ordinances sounds a lot like protestantism. I thought the Eastern churches did not give in to the reformation and the demolition of the Catholic sacraments, and ordinances.

He is the way said:

You don't believe that baptism is a saving ordinance?:

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We don't have the Mormon concept of 'ordinances'.

(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:21)

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

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Yes, and? We obviously believe in baptism. If you read my post in full, you'll see that what I am objecting to is not the idea that people should be baptized, but that what gains salvation is going to a 'temple' and performing 'ordinances' in it.

Besides, reading through Mormon resources on it makes it so obvious that all of this stuff is not really treated as a necessity of spiritual reasons, but as an obvious power grab on the part of Mormonism to convince its inquirers that without the Mormon superstructure, nothing that anyone does counts for anything. Here what the LDS website says about the practice in its little blurb on baptism:

You do not find such obsession with authority in traditional sources, but on correctness of the faith which one affirms at baptism, which Mormonism does not exhibit in the first place.

He is the way said:

You said: "however underlying condition is the thought they must pay him back in some way usually by obedience to the law and good works."

We know that we are not saved by works however, it is our duty to keep the commandments:

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Problem with your "however" is just that, God revealed the command a to "be perfect" … not "become it".
Only outer darkness awaits those who trusts the LDS plan of salvation.

He is the way said:

You said: "Jesus fulfilled the necessary payment ("atonement") for all sin"

Not all sin:

(New Testament | Matthew 12:31 - 32)

31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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When Jesus cried out on the cross "IT IS FINISHED" … Jesus fulfilled the necessary payment ("atonement") for all sin.

Matthew 12:31 - 32 is the condemnation one is under for not believing: "Jesus fulfilled the necessary payment ("atonement") for all sin".

LDS' plan of salvation is the "speaketh against the Holy Ghost" for what was stated earlier "however, it is our duty to keep the commandments" … because you are then rejecting the perfect life and blood of Christ as the satisfactory substitute in favor of nothing more than some example to follow as you climb the ladder of worthiness.

twin.spin said:

Problem with your "however" is just that, God revealed the command a to "be perfect" … not "become it".
Only outer darkness awaits those who trusts the LDS plan of salvation.



When Jesus cried out on the cross "IT IS FINISHED" … Jesus fulfilled the necessary payment ("atonement") for all sin.

Matthew 12:31 - 32 is the condemnation one is under for not believing: "Jesus fulfilled the necessary payment ("atonement") for all sin".

LDS' plan of salvation is the "speaketh against the Holy Ghost" for what was stated earlier "however, it is our duty to keep the commandments" … because you are then rejecting the perfect life and blood of Christ as the satisfactory substitute in favor of nothing more than some example to follow as you climb the ladder of worthiness.

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Be perfect is present case. It has nothing to do with the past. The unpardonable sin can not be forgiven.

He is the way said:

Be perfect is present case. It has nothing to do with the past. The unpardonable sin can not be forgiven.

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What is your interpretation of the unpardonable sin?

Peter1000 said:

1/2 of the NT is telling us how we should live, is that important to you?

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It's not a matter of importance but as to what purpose.
It is for that alone which those who hold to the LDS' plan of salvation will find themselves severely lacking for having faith in their "duty" in the ladder climbing … which will only result in outer darkness.

mmksparbud said:

What is your interpretation of the unpardonable sin?

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(Guide to the Scriptures | U Unpardonable Sin.:Entry)

The sin of denying the Holy Ghost, a sin that cannot be forgiven.

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men, Matt. 12:31–32 (Mark 3:29; Luke 12:10). It is impossible for those who were made partakers of the Holy Ghost to renew them again unto repentance, Heb. 6:4–6. If we sin wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Heb. 10:26. If ye deny the Holy Ghost and know that ye deny it, this is a sin which is unpardonable, Alma 39:5–6 (Jacob 7:19). They have no forgiveness, having denied the Only Begotten Son, having crucified him unto themselves, D&C 76:30–35. The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven, which is shedding innocent blood after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, D&C 132:26–27.

He is the way said:

Be perfect is present case. It has nothing to do with the past. The unpardonable sin can not be forgiven.

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God keeps records of the past as well as the present, perfection is not based on the present alone … you're fooling yourself.

The LDS' plan of salvation is the "speaketh against the Holy Ghost" … which will not be forgiven for reasons told to you many a times.

twin.spin said:

God keeps records of the past as well as the present, perfection is not based on the present alone … you're fooling yourself.

The LDS' plan of salvation is the "speaketh against the Holy Ghost" … which will not be forgiven.

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Repentance is for past sins then we are to sin no more, BE perfect:

(New Testament | John 5:14)

4 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

(New Testament | John 8:11)

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 6)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

He is the way said:

Repentance is for past sins then we are to sin no more, BE perfect:

(New Testament | John 5:14)

4 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

(New Testament | John 8:11)

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 6)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

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Jesus did not reveal those teaching as found in Romans 6:1 - 6, John 8:11, John 5:14 in connection with "Be perfect" … you are and that is deceptive.

twin.spin said:

Jesus did not reveal those teaching as found in Romans 6:1 - 6, John 8:11, John 5:14 in connection with "Be perfect" … you are and that is deceptive.

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What does being perfect mean to you? I believe Jesus was perfect because He did not sin.

The unpardonable sin, is calling the work of the Holy Spirit the work of the devil, that's what the two churches thing is about, committing the unpardonable sin.

The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven, which is shedding innocent blood after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, D&C 132:26–27.

Is that murder, which can''t be forgiven?

mmksparbud said:

The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven, which is shedding innocent blood after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, D&C 132:26–27.

Is that murder, which can''t be forgiven?

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Murder after receiving the new and everlasting covenant.