Orthodox and Catholic prayers are Biblical

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☦Marius☦

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You are talking about reading a psalm as part of a daily devotion, yes? That is not repeating something as a mantra.

You have moved the issue we were talking about: repeating something ten or twenty times in a row, to something said once (such as a psalm) as part of a daily devotion.

Yes Psalms do help change the heart by the Holy Spirit.

Half of the Hail Mary is biblical : "Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus"

It is up to the individual devotee to ask themselves why are they saying something over and over. Do they hope to be heard for their "many words", or are they trusting in Christ, His finished Work, and Person as the only Mediator.

As I have said I wish to leave this thread as it does not seem to be about its stated topic, but about very specific form of devotion.

To your question I would only say no Mediator is needed between mankind and Christ, for Christ is not some being that is neither God nor a man, but has shared our humanity while yet being the Son of God: True God and True man.

"Since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared their humanity so that by death He might destroy him who holds the power of death - that is the devil - and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels He helps, but Abraham's descendants. For this reason He had to to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that He might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because He himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted."

Hebrews 2:14-18

They are not mediating, both can come to the Lord in prayer. Christian prayer is really praying with another believer, although people do ask 'for' prayers. Evangelists don't mediate either, they present the Gospel which is precisely telling people to turn from darkness to light, biding people to come to Jesus Christ, to trust Him, His Person and Work. Yes there is an intercessors work (a standing in a gap when a fellow christian is weak, or fallen into sin) but really the one doing this is seeking to join in intercession with Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Intercession is not Mediation. In a battle if a soldier is wounded by enemy fire, his buddies I understand rally to his side, put down a layer of suppressing fire, till he can get out of danger! Christians are to do this for each other in prayer. :)

I mean the Jesus Prayer, ("Lord Jesus Christ have mercy upon me a sinner") can be said thousands of times a day. I don't think that it loses it's mean or becomes vain as the prayer itself is a humble petition.

Honestly I see mediation and intercession as nearly the same. A mediator is just someone going between two parties to try to work something out. But yes you are correct- intercession would be a better term to use, and normally is the one used when talking about the Theotokos.

Either way I respect your desire to leave the conversation. Peace be with you.
 
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I never read a psalm prayer written to any man, only to God. Catholic prayers go beyond any scripture when they pray to man instead of God.

Revelation 3:21, "Those who are victorious will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne."

2 Peter 1:4, "Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."

Psalm 82:5-6, "5. They do not know or understand; they wander in the darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6. I have said, “You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High"

John 10:34, "Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’"

Those who are saved and join God resurrected participate in the divine nature and share in his power to some extent. If I pray to a Saint or the Theotokos, that prayer is going directly to someone unified with Christ, in perfect communion with Christ, and therefore Christ.
 
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I may me born again, but I wasn't born yesterday, and am impervious to your Jedi semantics, young Skywalker. :yawn: But thanks to Marius for the clarification.
It might be because English is not my native language.
Maybe I like Star Wars.
Who knows?
 
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Are you deliberately stirring up strife in this thread? I never said anything like that at all.

Its a fair question. If Mary didn't give birth to God then at some point Christ was not God. So at what point did Christ become God in your view?
 
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Once again, I never said such a thing.

You pretty much did. If God can't have a mother, and Mary is Christ's mother, then Christ must not be God.
 
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That's a lie.

Christ is the Triune God and re read your post 170. There was never a time Christ was not God, Mary is the Mother of God not because she birthed God but because even in the womb Christ was God
 
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Because the Triune God has no mother. In my view, it's blasphemous to suggest that He does.

I find it interesting you find God having a mother blasphemous, but not that God suffered a human body, hungered, was thirsty, felt pain, and had human emotions.

God humbled himself to be born of a woman to be both fully human and fully man. Just think, the God of the universe stank, sweated, bled, and died a criminal's death. That is the true extent of his humility and love. Being born of a human woman is just another extension of that.
 
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So now you're saying that Mary is eternal?

No, merely that the Logos, became incarnate of a human woman, and from that point on was fully God and fully man. Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit. How does that imply that the child growing in Mary's womb wasn't fully God?
 
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