Hispanic pastors tour border facility lambasted by AOC and say they are ‘shocked by misinformation’

Ringo84 · Jul 3, 2019

Right...all those people piled into overcrowded camps were just paid actors.

Anything it takes to salve the guilty consciences of those who claim to be disciples of Christ and support concentration camps, I guess.
Ringo

Pommer · Jul 3, 2019

Peter J Barban said:
Everyone should want the system to improve. The system was also bad under Obama, but few cared.

Obama didn’t have a policy of separating families.
That gem belongs to the Trump Administration, which told us that it was to be a deterrent to future asylum seekers.

hislegacy · Jul 3, 2019

Pommer said:
Obama didn’t have a policy of separating families.

A picture is worth 1,000 words

wing2000 · Jul 3, 2019

hislegacy said:
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A picture is worth 1,000 words

No, it's not.

The Obama administration did not have a policy of separating families except in certain cases that would endanger the child.
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LoAmmi · Jul 3, 2019

hislegacy said:
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A picture is worth 1,000 words

You know those kids could have arrived alone, right?

Cash80 · Jul 3, 2019

Allandavid said:
Ummmm....mate?

You claim to live in Australia. “Our borders”..??

Yes, that's correct. I live in Australia, but originally hail from Los Angeles, California, which does border with Mexico. Sorry, for the confusion.

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2019

Ringo84 said:
They're not receiving medical care. We already know that. They're also being denied basic hygiene items like soap and toothbrushes, and being crammed into overcrowded facilities.

No justifications and rationalizations that you could offer excuses that in any way, shape or form. If we call ourselves disciples of Christ, we should follow the guidelines for "aliens" in our midst that come from the Bible - many of which are helpfully written in my signature line for your perusal v
Ringo

Look I was in Germany and visited Dachau. If you think what the refugees are facing is a concentration camp you need to go visit a real one

That being said, if we are holding people at these facilities then they should receive adiquate medical care, food, hygiene etc. That's our responsibility. We should do it. If we can't do it properly or fund it properly then we should send enough of them home so we can.

Ringo84 · Jul 3, 2019

rjs330 said:
Look I was in Germany and visited Dachau. If you think what the refugees are facing is a concentration camp you need to go visit a real one

That being said, if we are holding people at these facilities then they should receive adiquate medical care, food, hygiene etc. That's our responsibility. We should do it. If we can't do it properly or fund it properly then we should send enough of them home so we can.

I won't budge a single inch on this issue. They're concentration camps and if we don't stop them - either by prosecuting those responsible or voting them out in 2020 (or both), the blood will be on our hands.

But I'm glad that we agree that the treatment these people are facing is a human rights issue. That's a good start that places you above many others who have discussed this issue with me.
Ringo

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2019

Speedwell said:
Why sure. Any country with a corrupt right-wing government propped up by the US to protect the US business interests which are exploiting the country's labor and natural resources has got to be a paradise, right? Especially if it is infested with criminal gangs involved in shipping illegal drugs to the US. There's no reason for anyone to want to leave a place like that. Those so-called "asylum seekers" are just lazy hispanics who want to come here and sponge off of us so they can drive a bigger car and have two TVs instead of one.

Only about 30% of seekers meet the asylum standards. It's the facts. Sure other countries suck. But it's their country. They should do something about it.

We need to stay out of it. Those countries governments are corrupt not because we are involved. It's something for the people to fix. Not us.

Aldebaran · Jul 3, 2019

Ringo84 said:
Right...all those people piled into overcrowded camps were just paid actors.

The only paid "actor" is AOC.
Correction: Overpaid actor.

Ringo84 · Jul 3, 2019

rjs330 said:
Only about 30% of seekers meet the asylum standards. It's the facts. Sure other countries suck. But it's their country. They should do something about it.

We need to stay out of it. Those countries governments are corrupt not because we are involved. It's something for the people to fix. Not us.

That's because the definition of what counts as "legal" asylum has been narrowed to make it ridiculously hard to seek asylum in this country legally.
Ringo

Hank77 · Jul 3, 2019

rjs330 said:
Here's this.

Health care for undocumented immigrants may 'haunt' Dems against Trump, says ex-Sen. Evan Bayh

Health care is not 'free stuff'.

Hank77 · Jul 3, 2019

rjs330 said:
Here's this.

Health care for undocumented immigrants may 'haunt' Dems against Trump, says ex-Sen. Evan Bayh

In fact, the 2010 Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, largely excluded undocumented immigrants from buying into public programs.

President Joe Biden as well as Sens. Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand — all raised their hands when asked who would offer health insurance to immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally.

That's health insurance through Obamacare. It's in the best interest of the nation that all children get medical care when they need it. It's in the interest of businesses that adults get health care when they need it.

Speedwell · Jul 3, 2019

rjs330 said:
Only about 30% of seekers meet the asylum standards. It's the facts. Sure other countries suck. But it's their country. They should do something about it.

We need to stay out of it. Those countries governments are corrupt not because we are involved. It's something for the people to fix. Not us.

They are, for the most part, illiterate peasants. Some of them don't even speak Spanish. There are no fair elections for them to vote in and the government and the drug gangs are heavily armed. What power do they have to do anything about it?

DaisyDay · Jul 3, 2019

Cash80 said:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - Wikipedia
Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

They do come across as they want to contribute to opening our borders. Sanders was a supporter of a bill that would give citizenship to many illegal immigrants:
Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia

I take it you couldn't find anything they've said or written that actually supports your contention that they "want open borders", so you've watered it down to the weasel-worded "want to contribute to opening our borders" - but even that is not supported by your cites, unless wanting even illegal immigrants to be treated humanely, increasing the number of asylum seekers and ending the Muslim ban is "open borders".

wing2000 · Jul 3, 2019

rjs330 said:
We need to stay out of it. Those countries governments are corrupt not because we are involved. It's something for the people to fix. Not us.

I agree, we should have stayed out of Central America...over the last century.

DanishLutheran · Jul 3, 2019

Ringo84 said:
I won't budge a single inch on this issue.

That says more about you and your sense of proportion (or lack of same) than about the issue

Ringo84 said:
They're concentration camps

They're not.

Ringo84 · Jul 3, 2019

DanishLutheran said:
That says more about you and your sense of proportion (or lack of same) than about the issue

Yeah...that I care about children being abused, and that you don't.

They're not.

By definition they are.

I'm right, you're wrong. It's really that simple. You can either help us see them closed and those responsible prosecuted, or you can get out of the way.
Ringo

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2019

Speedwell said:
They are, for the most part, illiterate peasants. Some of them don't even speak Spanish. There are no fair elections for them to vote in and the government and the drug gangs are heavily armed. What power do they have to do anything about it?

Whatever they have to. It's not our job to police the world. We've gotten far to involved in areas that are nothing but corrupt on all sides. Picking one corrupt side over another is just folly.

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2019

Hank77 said:
Health care is not 'free stuff'.

What part of free is not free stuff?

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