Petition to have Antifa declared a terrorist movement on White House website

essentialsaltes said:

Do we have any evidence that there were concrete milkshakes? (Or that a concrete milkshake is a valid concept?) The reporting I've seen so far was a police officer confused by a vegan milkshake.

Now to be fair, making a vegan milkshake is reason enough to be considered a terrorist.

(and assaulting someone is enough to get 3 people arrested.)

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I don't think there's any real evidence of a "concrete milkshake" but regardless....they beat Ngo so badly he was hospitalized for a brain hemorrhage.

Antifa's Brutal Assault on Andy Ngo Is a Wake-Up Call—for Authorities and Journalists Alike - Quillette

So milkshakes aside....this is assault.

Good, they should be.

RenegadeLegion said:

But it's not assault.

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It is, though. Learn to read.

RenegadeLegion said:

Well, that would be wrong. It's a brick. A brick is not a drink. Stop me if I'm getting too technical.

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Yeah, nice try, but no. I said the same
So let me ask again: if someone were to assault "gay rights activists" or other such groups the same way as you're applauding, would that be right

RenegadeLegion said:

Nor is excusing Nazism,

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Who is excusing nazism?

RenegadeLegion said:

but plenty of people pearl-clutching over antifa fail to be proportionally more concerned about the far greater threat the far right pose.

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Yeah, because the "far right" (which to antifa and their supporters means "Anyone who doesn't think that mayonnaise is a gender") are certainly going about the exact same business. Yep.
Except no. There isn't the same wave of "far right" terrorist groups constantly threatening, harassing, assaulting and doxxing people as antifa is in the business of. A few have gone to extremes, and those people are going to pay for what they did. Hunt, and the guy from Charlottesville whose name I've thankfully forgotten come to mind.
But there's no comparison to the organized terroristic campaign of the far-left and its supporters, who keep doing what they're doing with impunity.

RenegadeLegion said:

I don't either, as milkshaking isn't violence.

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How convenient it must be to think you get to redefine words to suit your narrative.
Except no one who isn't already on your side is buying it.
You want to justify assaulting those who you don't agree with by claiming it isn't really assault because it doesn't live up to your arbitrary and convenient definitions. And you have repeatedly refused to answer a very basic question, which reveals very clearly that you know exactly what it is.

Pommer said:

Yeah I’m old enough to remember Anita Bryant getting pie-in-the-face, at time or two by gay activists, a soy-milk shake is just as bad.

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So you wouldn't mind "gay rights activists" getting the same treatment from people who don't think that mayonaise is a gender, right?

RenegadeLegion said:

Again, yes, this is the problem. Not the literal resurgence of Nazism.

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There is no "literal resurgence of nazism".
Not unless you define "nazism" as "anything I don't agree with and that isn't woke enough to think that mayonnaise is a gender". In which case your definition, once again, is what's in the wrong.

RenegadeLegion said:

And for the nth time, milkshakes aren't violence. Toughen up.

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And for the nth time, assaulting someone IS assault. Learn to read.

Ringo84 said:

These are the people who would stand beside the likes of Aldo Raine or Shoshanna Dreyfus and wring their hands because they're being too meeean to the fascists that they're trying to stop from hurting more people.
Ringo

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You are not in a movie.

And calls for street violence lead to escalating street violence. They had that in pre-Nazi germany too between the communists and Nazis. It did not prevent Hitler. Building up para-militaries on either side just means that there are organized groups willing to use violence. Eventually one wins and we all suffer.

Instead we should all avoid taking the bait. We should avoid thinking that we can change minds by knocking heads in the street. It leads to a situation where each side is now wanting to avenge the last bloodletting by their enemies. It just gets worse.

Refute bad ideas, and let the police arrest anyone who gets out of hand.

tall73 said:

You are not in a movie.

And calls for street violence lead to escalating street violence. They had that in pre-Nazi germany too between the communists and Nazis. It did not prevent Hitler. Building up para-militaries on either side just means that there are organized groups willing to use violence. Eventually one wins and we all suffer.

Instead we should all avoid taking the bait. We should avoid thinking that we can change minds by knocking heads in the street. It leads to a situation where each side is now wanting to avenge the last bloodletting by their enemies. It just gets worse.

Refute bad ideas, and let the police arrest anyone who gets out of hand.

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Way to miss my point.

My point is not "I'm living out a movie". My point is that many of the same people whining at antifa because they're "too violent" are similar to people who would probably think that the characters in that movie were being too "mean" to the Nazis they ridding the world of.

I'd rather fascists not march proudly down American city streets.
Ringo

Ringo84 said:

Way to miss my point.

My point is not "I'm living out a movie". My point is that many of the same people whining at antifa because they're "too violent" are similar to people who would probably think that the characters in that movie were being too "mean" to the Nazis they ridding the world of.

I'd rather fascists not march proudly down American city streets.
Ringo

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The constitution gives everyone the right to march down the street. It doesn't give you a right to advocate violence against your political enemies.

Any one using violence should be arrested.

Ringo84 said:

I'd rather fascists not march proudly down American city streets.
Ringo

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Freedom must also be freedom for those you disagree with. And knowing your type, "fascist" basically just means "anyone who doesn't agree with the extreme left, and who doesn't think that mayonnaise is a gender, or that open borders is awesome".
That definition of "fascism" would have labelled Churchill, Roosevelt, JFK, Martin Luther King Jr, etc, "fascists".
Which just goes to show how asinine it is.

tall73 said:

The constitution gives everyone the right to march down the street. It doesn't give you a right to advocate violence against your political enemies.

Any one using violence should be arrested.

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And those who live in cities have a right not to be overrun with Nazis, and to defend themselves when black men are beaten in a parking garage.
Ringo

Ringo84 said:

And those who live in cities have a right not to be overrun with Nazis

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You do not have a right to go beat people in the streets. You may want to. But you do not have that right.

Ringo84 said:

and to defend themselves when black men are beaten in a parking garage.

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You do have the right to self defense. You do not have the right to pre-defend by attacking your political enemies in the street.

Which is not what antifa did in Charlottesville, so we're right back where we started: people who want to make fascists feel unwelcome, and others who want to wring their hands and worry about whether we were respecting James Fields Jr. freeze peach.
Ringo

Ringo84 said:

Which is not what antifa did in Charlottesville, so we're right back where we started: people who want to make fascists feel unwelcome, and others who want to wring their hands and worry about whether we were respecting James Fields Jr. freeze peach.
Ringo

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Except Charlottesville is not the only place this is occurring.

Anyone who is violent should be prosecuted. Just like the one who drove a car in Charlottesville.

People who chase away fascists should be honored as American heroes.
Ringo

Ringo84 said:

People who chase away fascists should be honored as American heroes.
Ringo

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People who advocate illegal violence in the street are irresponsible, not heroes. This is true regardless of what political views they are for or against.

Here's what gets me. What the Antifa guys did was wrong, and I would assume those involved will be charged appropriately.

However, it seems to be overlooked that the Proud Boys were also there, assaulting people.

Those who are petitioning to make Antifa a terrorist group, seem to be willfully ignoring that the Proud Boys have the same history of violence and intimidation.

I'm wondering why that is? Why is one group condemned, while the other is, at worst, accepted or even encouraged?

PeachyKeane said:

Here's what gets me. What the Antifa guys did was wrong, and I would assume those involved will be charged appropriately.

However, it seems to be overlooked that the Proud Boys were also there, assaulting people.

Those who are petitioning to make Antifa a terrorist group, seem to be willfully ignoring that the Proud Boys have the same history of violence and intimidation.

I'm wondering why that is? Why is one group condemned, while the other is, at worst, accepted or even encouraged?

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Proud boys have also been prosecuted for violence in such events. Anyone enforcing their politics with violence should be prosecuted.

tall73 said:

Proud boys have also been prosecuted for violence in such events. Anyone enforcing their politics with violence should be prosecuted.

If they consistently do that they should be looked at the same as any other group doing so.

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They should be. They're not. Least of all by folks around here. Why is that?