Racism Takes an "L"

SummerMadness · Jul 2, 2019

2020 Census Won’t Have Citizenship Question as Trump Administration Drops Effort

The Trump administration, in a dramatic about-face, abandoned its quest on Tuesday to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census, a week after being blocked by the Supreme Court.

Faced with mounting deadlines and a protracted legal fight, officials ordered the Census Bureau to start printing forms for next year’s head count without the question.

We must not forget why this question was to be added:
Deceased G.O.P. Strategist's Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Mr. Hofeller’s exhaustive analysis of Texas state legislative districts concluded that such maps “would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites,” and would dilute the political power of the state’s Hispanics.

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Mr. Neuman testified that Mr. Hofeller told him that using citizenship data from the census to enforce the Voting Rights Act would increase Latino political representation — the opposite of what Mr. Hofeller’s study had concluded months earlier.

Court records show that Mr. Neuman, a decades-long friend of Mr. Hofeller’s, later became an informal adviser on census issues to Mr. Ross, the commerce secretary. By that summer, a top aide to Mr. Ross was pressing the Justice Department to say that it required detailed data from a census citizenship question to better enforce the Voting Rights Act.

This scheme was designed to dilute the representation of Hispanics in order to increase representation for non-Hispanic whites. Such blatant actions are unconscionable and the fact that members of the administration lied under oath about this scheme needs to be investigated.

Ringo84 · Jul 2, 2019

Makes me feel quite a bit better - not great in the wake of the ruling on gerrymandering, but better - about 2020.

We still should be vigilant for shenanigans, though. The GOP can't win honestly so it's going to try to consolidate its power. There's no time for complacency.
Ringo

hislegacy · Jul 2, 2019

Ringo84 said:
The GOP can't win honestly

Interesting opinion because that is almost verbatim what is being said about the Democrats

SummerMadness · Jul 2, 2019

hislegacy said:
Interesting opinion because that is almost verbatim what is being said about the Democrats

You are writing this in a thread where there is literally evidence of a political party seeking to manipulate the census to increase the power for a particular racial group, yet making the statement, "No, you're dishonest!"

The IbanezerScrooge · Jul 2, 2019

hislegacy said:
Interesting opinion because that is almost verbatim what is being said about the Democrats

Well, yeah. Conservatives are really good at projection. But, then, even Republicans know that if they actually allow everyone to vote that has the right to vote they usually lose. It's a statistical fact that the higher the voter turn out the more often democratic candidates win elections.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 2, 2019

Wasn't Shenanigan an Irish Democrat famous for fixing elections in Boston back in the day (with help from his friend Hooligan)? ^_^

DaisyDay · Jul 3, 2019

I thought Donald was postponing the census indefinitely until he got his way.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 3, 2019

Ringo84 said:
Makes me feel quite a bit better - not great in the wake of the ruling on gerrymandering, but better - about 2020.

We still should be vigilant for shenanigans, though. The GOP can't win honestly so it's going to try to consolidate its power. There's no time for complacency.
Ringo

If we're going to save the country from the liberals we need to win by any means necessary.

cow451 · Jul 3, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
If we're going to save the country from the liberals we need to win by any means necessary.

Good point, Comrade.

98cwitr · Jul 3, 2019

Now determining citizenship is racist? What a disingenuous and preposterous assertion.

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2019

SummerMadness said:
You are writing this in a thread where there is literally evidence of a political party seeking to manipulate the census to increase the power for a particular racial group, yet making the statement, "No, you're dishonest!"

How does the census increase power? It's the Democrats that want illegals to be counted so they can gain power. It's a money grab and a representative grab for power that has been going on for a long time. The illegals can't vote, but by Fiat they do get power by being counted and thus give states more money and more representatives. I believe the Democrats get more power from this. Most of the states that have the highest populations of illegals are Democrat states. Not all of course. Texas is one that doesn't.

cow451 · Jul 3, 2019

rjs330 said:
How does the census increase power? It's the Democrats that want illegals to be counted so they can gain power. It's a money grab and a representative grab for power that has been going on for a long time. The illegals can't vote, but by Fiat they do get power by being counted and thus give states more money and more representatives. I believe the Democrats get more power from this. Most of the states that have the highest populations of illegals are Democrat states. Not all of course. Texas is one that doesn't.

Citation?

Speedwell · Jul 3, 2019

98cwitr said:
Now determining citizenship is racist? What a disingenuous and preposterous assertion.

Not in itself. You have to look at the motivation of the individuals wanting to do it to be sure.

98cwitr · Jul 3, 2019

Speedwell said:
Not in itself. You have to look at the motivation of the individuals wanting to do it to be sure.

Upholding the law, ensuring that we aren't letting gang members and criminals into our country, ensuring that the children at the border actually belong to the party they're accompanying:

Mexico Confirms: Illegals Trying To Buy Children To Cross Border

Trying to stop human trafficking isn't racist...it's the right thing to do.

Ringo84 · Jul 3, 2019

"B-b-b-b-b-but human trafficking!"

Wanting to stop human trafficking is a worthy goal, and I'll believe that Republicans give a flip when they actually try to do something about it other than using it as a lame excuse for throwing children in concentration camps or discriminating against minorities in the form of citizenship questions.
Ringo

OldWiseGuy · Jul 3, 2019

Ringo84 said:
"B-b-b-b-b-but human trafficking!"

Wanting to stop human trafficking is a worthy goal, and I'll believe that Republicans give a flip when they actually try to do something about it other than using it as a lame excuse for throwing children in concentration camps or discriminating against minorities in the form of citizenship questions.
Ringo

Those migrants have time to consider what they've done and perhaps what they should have done while in those 'concentration camps'.

Maybe they'll catch the vision if Trump gets his military display on the 4th and they're paying attention. The message will be clear;

You want freedom...FIGHT FOR IT! :zoro:

98cwitr · Jul 3, 2019

Ringo84 said:
"B-b-b-b-b-but human trafficking!"

Wanting to stop human trafficking is a worthy goal, and I'll believe that Republicans give a flip when they actually try to do something about it other than using it as a lame excuse for throwing children in concentration camps or discriminating against minorities in the form of citizenship questions.
Ringo

Who built those "concentration camps" btw? Don't you think calling them that is dishonest? Are children being gassed in them? Isn't such rhetoric offensive toward those who actually were in real concentration camps?

And I do care about human trafficking, even if you chose to goad me as if I don't. If there is incentive to traffic humans then those methods are likely to be leveraged. So why would someone have incentive to pay $350 for a child that's not theirs and then head to the US border with that child; putting that child at risk by dragging them through the desert with little to no food or water?

Ringo84 · Jul 3, 2019

98cwitr said:
Who built those "concentration camps" btw? Don't you think calling them that is dishonest? Are children being gassed in them? Isn't such rhetoric offensive toward those who actually were in real concentration camps?

Don't care who built them. I want them closed. Permanently.

Nope.

Not as far as we know, but none required: Definition of concentration camp | Dictionary.com

Nope.

And I do care about human trafficking, even if you chose to goad me as if I don't. If there is incentive to traffic humans then those methods are likely to be leveraged. So why would someone have incentive to pay $350 for a child that's not theirs and then head to the US border with that child; putting that child at risk by dragging them through the desert with little to no food or water?

So do I, but offering that as justification (without evidence) for concentration camps is dishonest.
Ringo

98cwitr · Jul 3, 2019

Ringo84 said:
Don't care who built them. I want them closed. Permanently.

Nope.

Not as far as we know, but none required: Definition of concentration camp | Dictionary.com

Nope.

So do I, but offering that as justification (without evidence) for concentration camps is dishonest.
Ringo

How about letting those who experienced concentration camps, real ones, speak for themselves as to the offensiveness of her comments?

'We Are Deeply Disturbed': NY Jewish Group Denounces AOC's Border Concentration Camps Remark

Ringo84 · Jul 3, 2019

98cwitr said:
How about letting those who experienced concentration camps, real ones, speak for themselves as to the offensiveness of her comments?

'We Are Deeply Disturbed': NY Jewish Group Denounces AOC's Border Concentration Camps Remark

The camps fit the definition, so I really don't want to see Holocaust survivors paraded around to justify inhumanity to immigrants. They're concentration camps. That you're whining more about my choice of words than what's going on there speaks volumes.
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