Mammal brain production of near death experience drug

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" levels of DMT increase in some rats experiencing cardiac arrest. A paper published in 2018 by researchers in the U.K. purported that DMT simulates the near death experience, wherein people report the sensation of transcending their bodies and entering another realm."

..tubing is inserted into a rat brain through the pineal gland, the researchers collected a sample that was analyzed for -- and confirmed -- the presence of DMT.

..In a documentary about the experiment, Strassman claims that he believed the pineal gland makes and secretes DMT.

...In the past few years, thrill-seekers from Hollywood, Silicon Valley and beyond have been travelling to South America to take part in so-called Ayahuasca retreats. Their goal: to partake in a brewed concoction made from a vine plant Banisteriopsis caapi, traditionally used by indigenous people for sacred religious ceremonies. Drinkers of Ayahuasca experience short-term hallucinogenic episodes many describe as life-changing.
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'Mystical' psychedelic compound found in normal brains of rats

So if science did one day discover that near death experiences were caused by this chemical in the brain, some people would consider that science has explained the historical phenomena of 'spiritual' experiences at the time of death.

Religious people may tend to view the chemical production another way. Namely, that man was created with the equipment needed for when he encountered death. Our view would be that science sees only a small part of the picture.

Similarly, in the studies of the mind and psychology, modern science seems to try and explain demonic possession in terms of chemical reactions, and therefore treat the symptoms with drugs. Again, this would be a example of the limits and small scope of physical sciences!
 
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Religious people may tend to view the chemical production another way. Namely, that man was created with the equipment needed for when he encountered death. Our view would be that science sees only a small part of the picture.

And so were rats, apparently?

Do you know why it's called a "near-death" experience?

Because the people didn't die. Otherwise, they would just be dead and there seems to be a rather conspicuous absence of confirmed, first-hand, actual-death experiences.
 
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No chemicals can explain how were people able to see things from above and hear sounds and words when their brain was without any electrical activity - i.e. dead.

Medical science today is practically certain that our consciousness can live without our body for dozens of minutes, at least. They have no physical explanation for it, however.
 
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No chemicals can explain how were people able to see things from above and hear sounds and words when their brain was without any electrical activity - i.e. dead.
Ah, do you have some new citations? for claims that have not been shown to be fabrications or hype?

Are you aware of the AWARE study?

Medical science today is practically certain that our consciousness can live without our body for dozens of minutes, at least. They have no physical explanation for it, however.
A citation for that snippet would be interesting.
 
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Ah, do you have some new citations? for claims that have not been shown to be fabrications or hype?

Are you aware of the AWARE study?

A citation for that snippet would be interesting.

I do not have a prepared list of citations. But if you are interested in some youtubes I have in fast bookmarks:



 
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Medical science today is practically certain that our consciousness can live without our body for dozens of minutes, at least. They have no physical explanation for it, however.

I think you're equivocating a bit here with your phrasing. When you say "live without the body" the connotation is in some non-physical realm apart from the physical body including the brain. The brain remains active in areas associated with our consciousness after we've been declared "dead." So, there's still a physical limiting medium there. When the brain is destroyed there is no more consciousness. There are no scientific studies showing the existence of a mind without a physical medium (i,e, a brain).

Consciousness is what the brain does.
 
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I think you're equivocating a bit here with your phrasing. When you say "live without the body" the connotation is in some non-physical realm apart from the physical body including the brain. The brain remains active in areas associated with our consciousness after we've been declared "dead." So, there's still a physical limiting medium there. When the brain is destroyed there is no more consciousness. There are no scientific studies showing the existence of a mind without a physical medium (i,e, a brain).

Consciousness is what the brain does.
According to medical scientists, brain is totally without any activity, when these events occur. Brain is totally without electric activity and some patients still report what doctors were doing, what were they saying and all this from the "above" perspective. Thats the phase one.

Next phases are the famous "tunnel with light", meeting dead relatives and the last phase is meeting a light being that sends them back.
 
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I'm not sure if some of these are just hallucinations.

I sometimes (involuntarily) fall into the near-death state without actually being in a near death situation.

My experiences are often accompanied by disruption of electronic devices, sometimes resulting to permanent damage of these devices. The effects can be severe. Fortunately, none of these affected devices were rendered inoperable.

In very few occassions, I could recall being in a spirit-like state and entering electronic devices like computers and smart phones and these things would simultaneously experience malfunctions.
 
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Next phases are the famous "tunnel with light", meeting dead relatives and the last phase is meeting a light being that sends them back.

I've seen this "tunnel" a few times. Sometimes from a bit of distance. From afar, they kinda resemble the shape of brain neurons.

Brain neuron shaped things but glowing as brilliant white light. Sometimes I see them against a black backdrop, like outerspace and in this scenario, they are highly mobile and can move around rapidly and sometimes appear as multiple objects.
 
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I've seen this "tunnel" a few times. Sometimes from a bit of distance. From afar, they kinda resemble the shape of brain neurons.

Brain neuron shaped things but glowing as brilliant white light. Sometimes I see them against a black backdrop, like outerspace and in this scenario, they are highly mobile and can move around rapidly and sometimes appear as multiple objects.
Not sure about your experiences, but if you were not medically dead, then it was probably something else, not the near death experience.

But, an interesting thing - all over the world, the percentage of people who were resuscitated from the "dead brain state" and remember something from it, is 20%. But in Asia, its 40%. Nobody knows why.
 
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I'm not sure if some of these are just hallucinations.

I sometimes (involuntarily) fall into the near-death state without actually being in a near death situation.

My experiences are often accompanied by disruption of electronic devices, sometimes resulting to permanent damage of these devices. The effects can be severe. Fortunately, none of these affected devices were rendered inoperable.

In very few occassions, I could recall being in a spirit-like state and entering electronic devices like computers and smart phones and these things would simultaneously experience malfunctions.
Apparently you are claiming that spirits can possess and take over electronic devices. Scary thought.
 
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According to medical scientists, brain is totally without any activity, when these events occur. Brain is totally without electric activity and some patients still report what doctors were doing, what were they saying and all this from the "above" perspective. Thats the phase one..
Would that not constitute scientific proof that man has a spirit?
 
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Would that not constitute scientific proof that man has a spirit?
Evidence, that our consciousness lives at least for dozens of minutes without any brain activity.

Its not possible to make any specific religious claim from it, yet, but a pure materialism is in big troubles nowadays.
 
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And so were rats, apparently?
Rats do die so perhaps they are equipped also to some degree? In the same way perhaps that many creatures have a way to cope with pain, such as production of certain chemicals etc.
Do you know why it's called a "near-death" experience?

Because the people didn't die.
I see. I thought maybe that it was a politically correct thing where 'after death experiences' or life after death claims (such as in an old Dr Kubler Ross book) were not seen as definitively such by the scientists of the day, so they altered the term? If so, that would again simply reflect the limits of science.
Otherwise, they would just be dead
That was the idea they were dead and then were sent back, so they became undead.

and there seems to be a rather conspicuous absence of confirmed, first-hand, actual-death experiences.

That stands to reason since death is usually final for man's time on earth.
 
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Not sure about your experiences, but if you were not medically dead, then it was probably something else, not the near death experience.

But, an interesting thing - all over the world, the percentage of people who were resuscitated from the "dead brain state" and remember something from it, is 20%. But in Asia, its 40%. Nobody knows why.
Interesting.

Not sure if there would be any relation to religion. In Asia, one site shows the Christian population at around 7%, and about 64% in the US. I wonder if anyone ever studied the relation between atheists and such experiences? Apparently about 17% of people have such experiences according to this site..

Near-Death Experiences Evidence for Their Reality
 
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So consciousness with no brain. OK.

Nope. The brain is still there. Regardless of myst33's assertions without citations that all NDE's follow confirmed brain death and a complete lack of electrical activity (which is not a good determination of brain death according to these studies), the brain is still there in all of these case and the people reporting the NDEs did not actually die.

Unless someone wants to produce a study where the patient's brain was removed and destroyed and then reported an NDE...

Does it interest anyone that people who experience NDEs in Asia tend to see Hindu and Buddhist symbolism and visions that line up with those belief systems? Or that they can be induced in perfectly healthy people?
 
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