Petition to have Antifa declared a terrorist movement on White House website

It's about time they be treated like what they are: Terrorists

Ironhold said:

I can't think of another group who would be allowed to so routinely do so much and get away with it.

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I can.

At any rate, lock em all up.

I think the problem with it is that "Antifa" isn't an organization. It's a movement. It's a bunch of hyped up dissenters some of who are using their dissent to sow violence. Personally, I think a majority of "antifa" protesters causing this violence are anarchists who are using the protests for their own goals. We saw this in 2016 with the "Black Block" protesters showing up at protests looking for opportunities to tear down business and infrastructure. Some even carried flags with the anarchist "A" on them in the early protests. As time has gone on they've all just been merged together and called "Antifa" with no distinction being made between these violent anarchists and actual anti-fascists protesting against the rise of what appears to be an authoritarian regime.

It's a bit chilling to think how such a designation might be enforced in the streets. Would any person protesting at a Trump rally be labelled "Antifa" and arrested for terroristic activities? That's frightening.

The IbanezerScrooge said:

It's a bit chilling to think how such a designation might be enforced in the streets. Would any person protesting at a Trump rally be labelled "Antifa" and arrested for terroristic activities? That's frightening.

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No. But someone who smash people's heads with bike locks and cementshakes, who harrass and threaten and doxx and otherwise intimidate their opposition, etc, would.
Just as not all muslims are terrorists, not all leftist protesters are either. And the fact that you seem to be worried about leftists being taken for terrorists does say a lot about how leftists generally behave.

Do we have any evidence that there were concrete milkshakes? (Or that a concrete milkshake is a valid concept?) The reporting I've seen so far was a police officer confused by a vegan milkshake.

Now to be fair, making a vegan milkshake is reason enough to be considered a terrorist.

Do we have any evidence that there were concrete milkshakes? (Or that a concrete milkshake is a valid concept?) The reporting I've seen so far was a police officer confused by a vegan milkshake.

Now to be fair, making a vegan milkshake is reason enough to be considered a terrorist.

(and assaulting someone is enough to get 3 people arrested.)

It's quite something when an anti-fascist group is painted as "terrorists" by a regime that is going fascist.

No, there's no evidence of "concrete milkshakes". The evidence is that someone, without evidence, told the Portland police and they reported it uncritically. People more knowledgable than me have said online that concrete would not harden in milkshake because of the sugar.

It's a lie from "Proud Boy" Nazis who want to paint the good guys as the bad guys and create their own Heather Heyer.
Ringo

Ironhold said:

Demand President Trump label Antifa a domestic terrorist organization. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Over the weekend, independent journalist Andy Ngo was in Portland to cover an Antifa rally when several Antifa members brutally assaulted him, accusing him of being a fascist. A plethora of Antifa members and supporters took to the internet afterwords cheering the photos and videos of Ngo's bloody face.

Ngo finally got in to see the doctor, the the doctor diagnosed him with bleeding on the brain. The milkshake he'd been hit with? Someone had poured quick-dry concrete mix into it, meaning that it was functionally, legally, a rock.

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Functionally and legally a rock. Amazing. I'm going to be laughing for weeks from that, gj.

The claim yesterday was not that the quick drying cement ingredient made it functionally and legally a rock, but that it could cause chemical burns. Of course, no-one could actually show this happening and one of the pics of cement burns on twitter was a stock photo, but I'm sure it's hard to keep up with all this guff depending on what day of the week it is.

Also, the only video I've seen of Ngo being actually attacked with anything by antifa types is at best a milkshaking and one guy kicking him. His twitter feed has a gap of about an hour between that and him reporting an assault - so if that's the 'assault' I'm not sure how he gets from there to a brain bleed. There may well have been a separate incident not covered on video and the two are getting conflated.

Oh, and he was suspected of having a brain bleed, and was released pretty quickly afterwards.

While Antifa has hurt other people - other *innocent* people - before, that they went after an openly-homosexual man of Vietnamese descent on the basis of his being "alt-right" and a "fascist" has caused a lot of people to realize that Antifa isn't what they claim to be. As such, the petition to have them labeled as "domestic terrorists".

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Interestingly, Ngo publicly named names in response to a Quillette piece naming additional journalists he and his fellow Quillette author suspected were part of antifa or at least "too sympathetic" to them. His names and the names in the Quillette piece have now been circulated among far right groups and the journalists (who are only doing what Ngo claims he is doing, covering protests) are now getting death threats.

This "we're just doing journalism" schtick is nonsense. Ngo has caused plenty of potential for physical harm for other journalists that have the wrong opinions compared to him.

I do recall a previous petition going out before, and if you ask me it's more than time they were labeled as such. Every time they have a rally somewhere, innocent third parties get hurt - like the WWII vet they accused of being a "Nazi" because he dared call them out on something - and property gets destroyed. I can't think of another group who would be allowed to so routinely do so much and get away with it.

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The far right kills more people. I get the concerns over the violent elements of antifa - I was like you a few years ago when this was really starting to kick off. However, antifa has not escalated their levels of violence, if at all, and no deaths that I know can be attributed to them. The stats are simply not on your side, and there is far more concern in the press at the moment over antifa than the growing far right.

If you really are that concerned about being mistakenly accused of being a Nazi and harm coming from that - you should be very concerned about Ngo himself and his publisher Quillette, as their spurious accusations of antifa have led to journalists being targeted by groups with a far heavier track record of violence.

Honestly the milkshaking thing is hilarious because it is basically now the leftwing version of Pepe - something symbolic and yet so absurd that it cannot fail to make you look silly to react to it.

Now we have the people who have been whinging for years about 'snowflakes' getting all upset over being doused with milkshakes. Top kek, long may it continue.

Antifa are not terrorists, but we've seen terrorism in Oregon twice already and there is silence about right-wing militias that have seized government land that ended in a shootout leaving one terrorist dead, and the recent threats made toward public officials and law enforcement.

Why not just charge these guys with assault? What makes these guys terrorists, but not the Bundy clan, or the Proud Boys, or the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, or the Three Percenters?

And yeah, I'll admit it's pretty crappy to cast doubt on his story and injuries. But recall that this is a guy who has made bank out of casting aspersions on other people's injuries. Like he did with a homophobic attack in my city.

Andy Ngo on Twitter

This is the world he wants. He is more than welcome to live by it. To make a career out of dismissing the stories of others, then expecting to be taken seriously when something bad happens to him - no dice.

Ironhold said:

Demand President Trump label Antifa a domestic terrorist organization. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Over the weekend, independent journalist Andy Ngo was in Portland to cover an Antifa rally when several Antifa members brutally assaulted him, accusing him of being a fascist. A plethora of Antifa members and supporters took to the internet afterwords cheering the photos and videos of Ngo's bloody face.

Ngo finally got in to see the doctor, the the doctor diagnosed him with bleeding on the brain. The milkshake he'd been hit with? Someone had poured quick-dry concrete mix into it, meaning that it was functionally, legally, a rock.

While Antifa has hurt other people - other *innocent* people - before, that they went after an openly-homosexual man of Vietnamese descent on the basis of his being "alt-right" and a "fascist" has caused a lot of people to realize that Antifa isn't what they claim to be. As such, the petition to have them labeled as "domestic terrorists".

I do recall a previous petition going out before, and if you ask me it's more than time they were labeled as such. Every time they have a rally somewhere, innocent third parties get hurt - like the WWII vet they accused of being a "Nazi" because he dared call them out on something - and property gets destroyed. I can't think of another group who would be allowed to so routinely do so much and get away with it.

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You’re posting fake news. There was no concrete in the milkshake and video shows a quick exchange that was hardly a “brutal beating.” The petition you linked says antifa has “burned down” a university. What a joke!

Gigimo said:

Lars Larson: Portland's Democrat Mayor Refuses to Stop Antifa | Todd Starnes

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Another right winger spreading falsehoods. Antifa is “ravaging the city?!” Concrete milkshakes? Complete falsehoods. If you have to lie to make your point, you have no point.

RenegadeLegion said:

Now we have the people who have been whinging for years about 'snowflakes' getting all upset over being doused with milkshakes. Top kek, long may it continue.

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So assault is funny. Got it. So you'd find it funny too, if, say gay rights activists, or abortionists, etc, were treated the same, right?

DanishLutheran said:

So assault is funny. Got it.

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It's a milkshake

So you'd find it funny too, if, say gay rights activists, or abortionists, etc, were treated the same, right?

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they usually get a lot worse than a milkshaking from the far right fyi

The point, which you seem to have missed, is that the people constantly laughing at other people for being snowflakes are apparently undone by a drink

Boo hoo! A bunch of Nazis got creamed by a milkshake! This is the end of the republic!

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Opposing Nazis and humiliating them by throwing milkshakes at them should be considered patriotic duty, as it was in our grandparents' (or possibly parents') day.
Ringo

Using far-right, Nazi thinking and tropes =/= problem
Splashing people with a drink instead of beating the crap out of them = definitely assault