Please Stop Telling Me America Is Great

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:

Oh? So they are "death camps" now? Perhaps the holocaust survivors are over reacting in their disgust with the comparison.
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Perhaps you're full of hot dogs: Donations pour in for Jewish group arrested protesting ICE detention centers: "We are seeing the signs of a mass atrocity"

They sure don't seem offended to me. The only people who seem """offended""" by the comparison, which is apt, are the people who support the concentration camps.
Ringo

Ringo84 said:

Perhaps you're full of hot dogs: Donations pour in for Jewish group arrested protesting ICE detention centers: "We are seeing the signs of a mass atrocity"

They sure don't seem offended to me. The only people who seem """offended""" by the comparison, which is apt, are the people who support the concentration camps.
Ringo

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So what is "your" democrat led congress doing to fix the problem? Considering Trump is only enforcing the existing laws they put into place?
Obama Calls Flood of Kids into US a 'Humanitarian Crisis'
“Do not send your children to the borders,” he said. “If they do make it, they'll get sent back. More importantly, they may not make it.” Barak Obama

BTW...so what if I am full of hotdogs? I ate 2 earlier and have no regrets. They had mustard, relish, and sauerkraut.

SummerMadness said:

You have not provided me with an actual factor. Saying I talked to people is not a factor or measurement. And I am a black man also, I know black people living in other countries that enjoy a higher standard of living in Europe and the Caribbean (I do not know enough people from Africa). Are you arguing that African Americans have the lowest poverty rates when compared to people of African descent in other countries? Are you saying that people of African descent around the world have fewer rights? What do you mean by acceptance? What do factor in for opportunity?

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I mean the average standard of living. From my understanding the average African in Europe, or the average Caribbean does not have a higher standard of living than the average African American. The richest black people are mostly from America; yeah there are some Nigerians and people from other oil rich nations who are super rich because their family are in the Oil business, but that’s old money; most American rich, not only blacks but of any race is new money meaning first generation rich. That is a testament of opportunity. If you are of humble means, you have more chances of making it big in America than anywhere else.

According to the Brookings institute, if you live in America and you
*Graduate High School
*Don’t get married or have Children until after age 21
*Have a Job (any job)

It doesn’t matter if you’re black, white, or whatever; If you accomplish those 3 things, you have only a 2% chance of being in poverty, and you have a 74% chance of being middle class. Of all the people I know of who live in poverty, none of them have accomplished those 3 things.

Most of what I know of other countries is from what I’ve heard from various people who lived there; but from what I’ve been told it seems there is more opportunity for financial advancement in America than anywhere else.

Didaskalos said:

Thank you for your testimony. I suspect you catch a lot of flack for your honesty.

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No I don't. I think you would be a bit surprised at how many black people actually share my view.

They just passed a $4.5 billion package of aid for the camps. I personally think that's not anywhere near enough (they should be working to yank CBP funding so that the camps are forced to close, and funding isn't an issue when you hire hateful racists in CBP), but it's a big start.

AOC and several others toured the camps and reported on the deplorable conditions there.

These examples represent 100% more than anything Republicans, who seem to support concentration camps, are doing.
Ringo

Didaskalos said:

Pro-life is twisted as sexist.
Pro traditional family is twisted to mean homophobic.
To be patriotic is twisted to mean xenophobic.
They can pretty much twist anything into racism, homophobia, sexism, xenophobia, etc etc etc.
The twist anything they want to mean anything they want. They even do it to each other.

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I mean specific real life examples of someone convicted of hate speech simply for expressing one of those opinions. People express those opinions all of the time here on CF, no one is being arrested.

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<K1>I mean the average standard of living. From my understanding the average African in Europe, or the average Caribbean does not have a higher standard of living than the average African American. The richest black people are mostly from America; yeah there are some Nigerians and people from other oil rich nations who are super rich because their family are in the Oil business, but that’s old money; most American rich, not only blacks but of any race is new money meaning first generation rich. That is a testament of opportunity. If you are of humble means, you have more chances of making it big in America than anywhere else.
According to the Brookings institute, if you live in America and you
*Graduate High School
*Don’t get married or have Children until after age 21
*Have a Job (any job)
It doesn’t matter if you’re black, white, or whatever; If you accomplish those 3 things, you have only a 2% chance of being in poverty, and you have a 74% chance of being middle class. Of all the people I know of who live in poverty, none of them have accomplished those 3 things.
Most of what I know of other countries is from what I’ve heard from various people who lived there; but from what I’ve been told it seems there is more opportunity for financial advancement in America than anywhere else.<K1>

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Their minds are made up don't try to confuse them with facts.

Didaskalos said:

Which is.... socialism.

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Ah, I see. Well if that’s socialism, then your comment on socialism always causing poverty and suffering must be untrue, since most of Europe has a poverty rate lower than the U.S.

You said, “To be fair, going hungry, getting crap healthcare, living in places not suitable for human habitation, etc, is what invariably happens when socialists get power.” Cmon, you can’t expect us to seriously think you were referring to Europe? Some Northern European countries have pretty much eradicated poverty. They get a month paid vacation a year, paid maternity and paternity leave, retirement, education - and still have enough money to live good lives.

If that is socialism, then you need to stop saying socialism results in poverty and crap healthcare.

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going hungry, getting crap healthcare, living in places not suitable for human habitation, etc

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...is what's already happening under capitalism in the United States.
Ringo

Ringo84 said:

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<R8>Perhaps you're full of hot dogs: Donations pour in for Jewish group arrested protesting ICE detention centers: "We are seeing the signs of a mass atrocity"
They sure don't seem offended to me. The only people who seem """offended""" by the comparison, which is apt, are the people who support the concentration camps.
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Nonsense! Being Jewish does not make them a concentration camp survivor.
In 1945 one of my uncles was in the Army unit that liberated Dachau, the first German concentration camp. 13 years later I was stationed there. I think I can say without any fear of being contradicted there is nothing like that in this country.
When I was there all of the buildings were still standing. The former prisoner barracks had been converted to apartments for refugees from communist counties. My barracks had been the barracks for the SS prison guards. My room was above the right wing of the eagle on the left in this picture. The eagles remained but the swastikas had been chiseled out.
If people don't want to be in the holding facilities turn around and go back to their own country and apply for entry through an embassy or consulate. Just like we have to do to enter other countries.

Der Alter said:

<R8>Perhaps you're full of hot dogs: Donations pour in for Jewish group arrested protesting ICE detention centers: "We are seeing the signs of a mass atrocity"
They sure don't seem offended to me. The only people who seem """offended""" by the comparison, which is apt, are the people who support the concentration camps.
Ringo<R8>
Nonsense! Being Jewish does not make them a concentration camp survivor.
In 1945 one of my uncles was in the Army unit that liberated Dachau, the first German concentration camp. 13 years later I was stationed there. I think I can say without any fear of being contradicted there is nothing like that in this country.
When I was there all of the buildings were still standing. The former prisoner barracks had been converted to apartments for refugees from communist counties. My barracks had been the barracks for the SS prison guards. My room was above the right wing of the eagle on the left in this picture. The eagles remained but the swastikas had been chiseled out.
If people don't want to be in the holding facilities turn around and go back to their own country and apply for entry through an embassy or consulate. Just like we have to do to enter other countries.

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I'm not saying that just because they're Jewish they're concentration camp survivors. Way to completely miss the point of my post.

My point was that for all the non-Jewish people whining about how "offended" they presume Jewish people are for using the apt term 'concentration camp', there are plenty of Jewish people who know a concentration camp when they see it!

Fragile white people being fearful of brown people is absolutely not a reason to turn people away at the border or to put them in concentration camps. America has always been - or at least marketed itself as - a place where we take the "tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free".
Ringo

Ringo84 said:

It's always been quite odd to me that people are more (unreasonably) fearful of "Socialism" than they are their own countrymen going hungry, homeless, in debt, and without health insurance.

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Indifference / lack of empathy to the poor.

We have quite a few very recent threads ironically demonstrating this fact even among CF members here.

They seem to only to care about "economic growth" but doesn't care how that is achieved that would also benefit the poor in a substantial degree.

They don't consider the poor as part of the equation in global economics. As if a man's worth is solely determined by his "purchasing power".

Sadly, the phenomenon is clearly apparent even in this forum. The love of money is everywhere. The love of money is the root of all evil.

Sadly, many Christians think it's okay to love money as long as you love God more. This is clearly a false teaching as the the Bible doesn't say that but rather the opposite - Luke 16:13.

And the "fruit" of loving money is very apparent - indifference / coldness to the poor. Doesn't the Bible says, what you do to the least of our brothers and sisters (the poor, the weak brothers and sisters), you do unto Me(The Lord).

This is why you cannot serve (love) two masters. The Bible never says, you can love both as long as you love God more. definitely a false teaching!

Nice air conditioning units on those tents, I bet San Francisco's homeless wouldn't mind something that nice.

OK, you go live there then. Report back to us how "luxurious" your living conditions are when you're denied soap, toothbrushes, and adequate food and water.
Ringo

America was and is great. Great enough for my parents and grand parents to sell everything they owned to come to the IS legally.

America was and is great because my grandfather with limited English and not even a high school education could bring his family here and work as a construction laborer. My grandmother was a seamstress and between the two of them the made a home and a life here. Without healthcare, without welfare.

America was and is great because my mother and dad worker their way through college (I did also), and raised their children well.

America was and is great because there are countless millions who have come because of the American Dream. A dream to live free, to not worry about the government taking your property, or your life.

America was and is great because of the millions and millions of people who have been positively impacted because of America. We are often first to help, first to defend and first to build.

When Poland was being threatened, it was American power that protected them. Same with many nations.

Ringo84 said:

OK, you go live there then. Report back to us how "luxurious" your living conditions are when you're denied soap, toothbrushes, and adequate food and water.
Ringo

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Thats perfectly fine temporary quarters. And I make soap, wanted to send 30- 50 pounds of it to the facility but the link provided for donations (after billions has been approved) state the charities (I don't trust) want money sent and not goods. If they need soap, change the rules so people with soap can send soap. I think billions will be enough to squeeze in a few tubes of toothpaste.

WherevertheWindblows said:

Thats perfectly find temporary quarters. And I make soap, wanted to send 30- 50 pounds of it to the facility but the link provided for donations (after billions has been approved) state the charities (I don't trust) want money sent and not goods. If they need soap, change the rules so people with soap can send soap. I think billions will be enough to squeeze in a few tubes of toothpaste.

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It's good that you are sending donations and you want to change the rules. The soap thing is completely ridiculous and it's hard for me to imagine anyone supporting that.

But I'm still strongly of the opinion that kids (or anyone else, for that matter) should have never been put there in the first place.
Ringo