Humanity could break out in the midst of any species, it just takes the right selection pressure?

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Hi there,

So we already know this is patently ridiculous, we see no evidence for it whatsoever, even as it might be noted that we share selection pressures and parallel traits and a desire to survive.

So why do I think that there is any connection at all between Evolution manifesting in one place (humans) and Evolution manifesting everywhere (species)? Is it possible that what we conceive by way of relevance has yet to have experienced the selection pressure, that would wipe out anything, but that which is the chief Evolution??

It is, after all, just a question of checks and balances: no greater telos (to Evolution), means that the lesser telos (many Evolutions) seems tangible - I am not just hanging out on a limb here, I actually think that the failure to answer one, is a reason to suspect the other. A plethora of something, is a welcome to interpret other things like it... don't you think?

"Well, but what is the selection pressure for other species if we already have humanity?" I hear you ask? The problem with this statement is that it is anthropomorphic, it assumes the presence of something that is a partial answer to a difficulty proposed is the whole of the law for that difficulty - actually, that doesn't follow: for a partial answer to be the whole of the law for something that identifies differently, both the reversion and the reattempt have to be attempted all in the one difference - unless in some way the law is bypassed.

And that really is the end of it, as far as the law is concerned: Evolution does not bypass the law, in order to render things in a better light than they had been. Take a look at the butterfly: it doesn't just put a cocoon on and switch propensities; it has to become a sort of goo inside the cocoon, in order to make the transition back out of the goo, while still inside the cocoon. The same is true of anything that tries to migrate from child to adult; play must become instinct, as becomes territorial - this is not a process of Evolution, it happens in distinction to the beginning definition of the species, as is carried out, to the point of the death of all those species.

We can notice "well, this agrees with that and that agrees with those" but until you understand that you are not actually recognizing a consistent concept, from start to finish (all life on Earth, at an end) you are never going to notice why species distinguish themselves and with what power in God. God can forgive chains of Evolution, if that's what you want Him to do - and if you were serious about Evolution you would - but I don't see you doing that for every possible alternative, without putting it completely in His hands. But take it as a given, if that is all you want: God forgives every possible Evolution that is not in the will of the One.

Go find your cocoon goo and tell me what it is - in terms of your current species? False teeth? How are false teeth an Evolution??
 
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Indeed. You should have quit while you were ahead.

Well, I would, but Jesus told a story about giving up (a landowner was going to dig up a plant - because it would not bear fruit - but his servant said "give it water and fertilizer and a bit of time, and if it bears fruit, good, but if not, then you can cut it down" - showing that we need to have patience) - and its behoven of me not to ignore it.

Actually that's a good point: what would you do to save "Evolution", if you had to save it?

Like say we weren't seeing "Evolution" for a protracted period of time - no real changes anywhere, or far less - what two things would you do, to make sure you had not wasted your time??
 
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Actually that's a good point: what would you do to save "Evolution", if you had to save it?

It doesn't need saving. It's written into text books and taught to children, it's discussed at conferences, it forms the backbone of all biomedical research. Evolution is flourishing. It's even won all of the court cases its been in.

By every single measure, evolution is an outstanding success.
 
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So you wouldn't do anything: that's what you're saying?

Take your time to answer (the words of Jesus are worth it).

If believing was not bearing fruit, I would check with other believers what they thought God was doing (doing the proverbial dig around) and read through scripture a little more, on an ongoing basis (doing the proverbial fertilizing) - if believing still did not bear fruit after that, I would give it up.
 
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Well, I would, but Jesus told a story about giving up (a landowner was going to dig up a plant - because it would not bear fruit - but his servant said "give it water and fertilizer and a bit of time, and if it bears fruit, good, but if not, then you can cut it down" - showing that we need to have patience) - and its behoven of me not to ignore it.

Actually that's a good point: what would you do to save "Evolution", if you had to save it?

Like say we weren't seeing "Evolution" for a protracted period of time - no real changes anywhere, or far less - what two things would you do, to make sure you had not wasted your time??
My thought is that when I am dead I will cease to exist. So I wouldn't do anything.
 
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My thought is that when I am dead I will cease to exist. So I wouldn't do anything.

So would you put it to Jesus, that there was a reason to resurrect you?

Or would you put it to God, to restore the species, in the strength you had??
 
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Dude. Seriously. What are you even talking about? Your posts literally make no sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say other than some vague diatribe against evolution... or something. I realize that maybe English isn't your first language, but your responses to people seem coherent, but your OPs are just word salad.

"You know you're really cute, but I don't know what you're saying! Say the first thing again."

EDIT: @Mathetes66, You marked OP as "Agree", but you haven't commented on it. Can you briefly explain your understanding of the OP with a little more depth than "evolution is false"?
 
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