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God is not evil.



Because of these verses in the King James Bible, people say," I could never serve a God that is evil".



Very few people are aware of this fact, and that is, that the King James Bible was translated by a secret society for their use; as a matter of fact it is also called the "Masonic bible".



Interpreting certain scriptures as God doing evil supports the Masonic philosophy of Dualism, that God is both good and evil.



Here in Jeremiah 8:8 is a prophecy; and it states that the word of God would be tampered with.


K.J.V. Jeremiah 8:8. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.



N.I.V. Jeremiah 8:8. "How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?



The word of God is divinely inspired, and as Christians it is your responsibility to see to it that you’re being taught the truth; yes, you, and not somebody else.




Psalms 5:4-5. For you are not a God that has pleasure in wickedness: neither will evil dwell with you.

5. The foolish will not stand in your sight: you hatest all workers of iniquity.



Job 34:10. Therefore hearken to me you men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.


Psalms 5:4-5 and Job 34:10 both show God doing evil is a contradiction to what is written.





Here is a list of scriptures below that are not translated correctly to support the Masonic belief of Dualism.


Exodus 5:22. And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Lord, wherefore hast thou so evil entreated this people? why is it that thou hast sent me?


Exodus 32:12.Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from your fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against your people.


Joshua 23:15.Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.


Judges 9:23. Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:


1 Samuel 6:9. And see, if it goeth up by the way of his own coast to Beth-shemesh, then he has done us this great evil: but if not, then we shall know that it is not his hand that smote us; it was a chance that happened to us.


1 Samuel 16:14-23. But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

15. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

16. Let our Lord now command your servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

17. And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me.

18. Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him.

19. Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.

20. And Jesse took an ass laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid, and sent them by David his son unto Saul.

21. And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.

22. And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight.

23. And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.


1 Samuel 18:10. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.


1 Samuel 19:9. And the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.


2 Samuel 12:11. Thus says the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto your neighbour, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.


1 Kings 9:9. And they shall answer, Because they forsook the Lord their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the Lord brought upon them all this evil.


1 Kings 14:10. Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]eth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.


1 Kings 21:21 and 29. 21. Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]eth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,

29. Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.


1 Kings 22:23. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.


2 Kings 6:33. And while he yet talked with them, behold, the messenger came down unto him: and he said, Behold, this evil is of the Lord; what should I wait for the Lord any longer?


2 Kings 21:12. Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.


2 Kings 22:16 and 20. Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:

20. Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again.


2 Chronicles 7:22. And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.


2 Chronicles 18:22. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.


2 Chronicles 34:24 and 28. Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:

28. Behold, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace, neither shall thine eyes see all the evil that I will bring upon this place, and upon the inhabitants of the same. So they brought the king word again.


Nehemiah 13:18. Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? Yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.


Job 42:11. Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and everyone an earring of gold.


Psalms 54:5. He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth.


Psalms 78:49. He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.


Isaiah 31:2. Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity.


Isaiah 45:7. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


Jeremiah 4:6. Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.


Jeremiah 6:19. Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened to my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.


Jeremiah 11:11,17 and 23. Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they will cry unto me, I will not hearken to them.

17. For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

23. And there will be no remnant of them: for I will bring evil upon the men of Anathoth, even the year of their visitation.


Jeremiah 16:10. And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt show this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?


Jeremiah 18:8. If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

9. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;

10. If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

11. Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now everyone from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.


Jeremiah 19:3 and 15. And say, Hear ye the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears will tingle.

15. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.


Jeremiah 23:12. Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the Lord.


Jeremiah 26:3. If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.


Micah 1:12. For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the Lord unto the gate of Jerusalem.



God created the concept of good and evil, but He Himself is pure and good.
 

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God is not evil

Because of these verses in the King James Bible, people say," I could never serve a God that is evil".

Very few people are aware of this fact, and that is, that the King James Bible was translated by a secret society for their use; as a matter of fact it is also called the "Masonic bible".

The actions of god, as described in scripture, that I deem to be evil are not limited to any single edition of the Bible.
 
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God is not evil.



Because of these verses in the King James Bible, people say," I could never serve a God that is evil".



Very few people are aware of this fact, and that is, that the King James Bible was translated by a secret society for their use; as a matter of fact it is also called the "Masonic bible".



Interpreting certain scriptures as God doing evil supports the Masonic philosophy of Dualism, that God is both good and evil.



Here in Jeremiah 8:8 is a prophecy; and it states that the word of God would be tampered with.


K.J.V. Jeremiah 8:8. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.



N.I.V. Jeremiah 8:8. "How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?



The word of God is divinely inspired, and as Christians it is your responsibility to see to it that you’re being taught the truth; yes, you, and not somebody else.




Psalms 5:4-5. For you are not a God that has pleasure in wickedness: neither will evil dwell with you.

5. The foolish will not stand in your sight: you hatest all workers of iniquity.



Job 34:10. Therefore hearken to me you men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.


Psalms 5:4-5 and Job 34:10 both show God doing evil is a contradiction to what is written.





Here is a list of scriptures below that are not translated correctly to support the Masonic belief of Dualism.


Exodus 5:22. And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Lord, wherefore hast thou so evil entreated this people? why is it that thou hast sent me?


Exodus 32:12.Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from your fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against your people.


Joshua 23:15.Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.


Judges 9:23. Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:


1 Samuel 6:9. And see, if it goeth up by the way of his own coast to Beth-shemesh, then he has done us this great evil: but if not, then we shall know that it is not his hand that smote us; it was a chance that happened to us.


1 Samuel 16:14-23. But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

15. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

16. Let our Lord now command your servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

17. And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me.

18. Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him.

19. Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.

20. And Jesse took an ass laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid, and sent them by David his son unto Saul.

21. And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.

22. And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight.

23. And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.


1 Samuel 18:10. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.


1 Samuel 19:9. And the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.


2 Samuel 12:11. Thus says the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto your neighbour, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.


1 Kings 9:9. And they shall answer, Because they forsook the Lord their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the Lord brought upon them all this evil.


1 Kings 14:10. Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]eth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.


1 Kings 21:21 and 29. 21. Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]eth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,

29. Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.


1 Kings 22:23. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.


2 Kings 6:33. And while he yet talked with them, behold, the messenger came down unto him: and he said, Behold, this evil is of the Lord; what should I wait for the Lord any longer?


2 Kings 21:12. Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.


2 Kings 22:16 and 20. Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:

20. Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again.


2 Chronicles 7:22. And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.


2 Chronicles 18:22. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.


2 Chronicles 34:24 and 28. Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:

28. Behold, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace, neither shall thine eyes see all the evil that I will bring upon this place, and upon the inhabitants of the same. So they brought the king word again.


Nehemiah 13:18. Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? Yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.


Job 42:11. Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and everyone an earring of gold.


Psalms 54:5. He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth.


Psalms 78:49. He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.


Isaiah 31:2. Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity.


Isaiah 45:7. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


Jeremiah 4:6. Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.


Jeremiah 6:19. Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened to my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.


Jeremiah 11:11,17 and 23. Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they will cry unto me, I will not hearken to them.

17. For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

23. And there will be no remnant of them: for I will bring evil upon the men of Anathoth, even the year of their visitation.


Jeremiah 16:10. And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt show this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?


Jeremiah 18:8. If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

9. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;

10. If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

11. Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now everyone from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.


Jeremiah 19:3 and 15. And say, Hear ye the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears will tingle.

15. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.


Jeremiah 23:12. Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the Lord.


Jeremiah 26:3. If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.


Micah 1:12. For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the Lord unto the gate of Jerusalem.



God created the concept of good and evil, but He Himself is pure and good.
These imprecatory passages should be seen as God's judgement on sin.
 
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i think that charging God with evil is the greatest disservice we can do to Him. However it is true that lies and therefore evil has found lodging in His truth because of the fall of Lucifer and humanity through that fallen angel's lies.

Because humanity believes lies about God, themselves, others and Creation, God's loving truth is murdered (see Jesus on the cross,) and instead of eternal goodness loveless evil finds reality as our truth.

So God did not create these evils to be, but humanity under the influence of satan did and does. Rather our perfectly loving Creator suffers it all on a daily basis and is murdered out of our reality by the loveless lies that take the place in His loving truth.

For we humans in conjunction with satan, humans whom God loves so much, for He gives place for us to have existence in His truth while He denies Himself existence, is the reason that evil is down here.

Truly it has nothing to do with God creating evil wrong or in any way be responsible for that, though evil now truly exists and has therefore found place in His Being, for please see the terrible scars that disfigure His Holy Being because of our sins and consider the evil that rules peoples hearts instead of His loving truth.

However God is not powerless - for the truth of evil is that it destroys itself in the long run - that is the eternal truth of loveless lies, they run out of life when the truth exposes them. Lies are not true God and can only find existence when God denies himself the right to have existence, which He can revoke at any time He wishes, which would mean that our own evils destroy and kill us in our lying reality.

However God does not let our evil destroy us quickly. He always warns us and tries to win us back. The truth of God's love is clearly demonstrated by Jesus, where humanities loveless lies let to the killing of God's loving truth, for all to see. This act of utter cruelty, injustice and unrighteousness by humanity against God's love let to Victory over our darkness when God raised Jesus from the dead and invited all people to come to Him for healing and redemption.

So yes our truth down here is dual and that is not what God had wanted to happen but the created did by letting lies about God, ourselves, others and Creation fill our hearts and minds, killing the loving truth of our Creator and raising loveless evil lies in His stead.

This is why evil befalls us down here not because God is evil or can lie but because our own (or other peoples,) actions bring it into being.

Peace.

Where did Creation go wrong?
 
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i think that charging God with evil is the greatest disservice we can do to Him. However it is true that lies and therefore evil has found lodging in His truth because of the fall of Lucifer and humanity through that fallen angel's lies.

Because humanity believes lies about God, themselves, others and Creation, God's loving truth is murdered (see Jesus on the cross,) and instead of eternal goodness loveless evil finds reality as our truth.

So God did not create these evils to be, but humanity under the influence of satan did and does. Rather our perfectly loving Creator suffers it all on a daily basis and is murdered out of our reality by the loveless lies that take the place in His loving truth.

For we humans in conjunction with satan, humans whom God loves so much, for He gives place for us to have existence in His truth while He denies Himself existence, is the reason that evil is down here.

Truly it has nothing to do with God creating evil wrong or in any way be responsible for that, though evil now truly exists and has therefore found place in His Being, for please see the terrible scars that disfigure His Holy Being because of our sins and consider the evil that rules peoples hearts instead of His loving truth.

However God is not powerless - for the truth of evil is that it destroys itself in the long run - that is the eternal truth of loveless lies, they run out of life when the truth exposes them. Lies are not true God and can only find existence when God denies himself the right to have existence, which He can revoke at any time He wishes, which would mean that our own evils destroy and kill us in our lying reality.

However God does not let our evil destroy us quickly. He always warns us and tries to win us back. The truth of God's love is clearly demonstrated by Jesus, where humanities loveless lies let to the killing of God's loving truth, for all to see. This act of utter cruelty, injustice and unrighteousness by humanity against God's love let to Victory over our darkness when God raised Jesus from the dead and invited all people to come to Him for healing and redemption.

So yes our truth down here is dual and that is not what God had wanted to happen but the created did by letting lies about God, ourselves, others and Creation fill our hearts and minds, killing the loving truth of our Creator and raising loveless evil lies in His stead.

This is why evil befalls us down here not because God is evil or can lie but because our own (or other peoples,) actions bring it into being.

Peace.

Where did Creation go wrong?

So...god is omnipotent, so he could create the world however he wanted, right?

And he's omniscient, so he knows exactly the outcome of whatever world he chooses, right?

So if he decided to create a world in which he knew evil would arise...

how on earth is he NOT responsible for evil?
 
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So...god is omnipotent, so he could create the world however he wanted, right?

And he's omniscient, so he knows exactly the outcome of whatever world he chooses, right?

So if he decided to create a world in which he knew evil would arise...

how on earth is he NOT responsible for evil?

He is not responsible for evil. He created us good and able to distinguish lies from truth but we believed the lies and not His love why on earth would you hold God accountable for that?

Please consider i'm a father and i have had 5 children that come forth out of love. i did not want to them to do evil things nor listen to lies because i love them and warned them about that - is it my responsibility if they do evil things or believe lies because i brought them around? Such thinking is ridiculous - love always hopes for the best, i'm sure God does as well.

How awful that you would charge a perfectly loving God for your and other peoples choices and would have rather had a God who created us forcefully good instead of freely able to make up our own minds? Surely your argument reeks big time from all perspectives?

The Truth Of The Matter.

Dear friends how could the truth not be the boss over our life,
Would the truth not know best how things have been within us?
Please no more bloody demands from the truth about this,
it's time to be frank about our not so truthful times!

Why would the truth always suffer death at our actions?
That piercing penalty to sustain our lives?
Why would good life suffer our bad life all the time?
it's not actually a sound idea to proceed like this.

Daily our untrue ways demand the truth to provide,
we compete and work to gain some kind of good in life.
Still could our bad life escape the truth of our actions?
Would the truth then be at fault when our sins murder us?

Though didn't The Truth turn death into an awesome plan?
Salvation if we freely surrender our bad life.
Not right becoming truthfully okay from now on,
needing Jesus to survive The Truth of the Matter!
 
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He is not responsible for evil. He created us good and able to distinguish lies from truth but we believed the lies and not His love why on earth would you hold God accountable for that?

Please consider i'm a father and i have had 5 children that come forth out of love. i did not want to them to do evil things nor listen to lies because i love them and warned them about that - is it my responsibility if they do evil things or believe lies because i brought them around? Such thinking is ridiculous - love always hopes for the best, i'm sure God does as well.

How awful that you would charge a perfectly loving God for your and other peoples choices and would have rather had a God who created us forcefully good instead of freely able to make up our own minds? Surely your argument reeks big time from all perspectives?

The Truth Of The Matter.

Dear friends how could the truth not be the boss over our life,
Would the truth not know best how things have been within us?
Please no more bloody demands from the truth about this,
it's time to be frank about our not so truthful times!

Why would the truth always suffer death at our actions?
That piercing penalty to sustain our lives?
Why would good life suffer our bad life all the time?
it's not actually a sound idea to proceed like this.

Daily our untrue ways demand the truth to provide,
we compete and work to gain some kind of good in life.
Still could our bad life escape the truth of our actions?
Would the truth then be at fault when our sins murder us?

Though didn't The Truth turn death into an awesome plan?
Salvation if we freely surrender our bad life.
Not right becoming truthfully okay from now on,
needing Jesus to survive The Truth of the Matter!

Your analogy fails because you have neither the power to create your children the way you want, nor the foreknowledge to know how they will turn out. It's a huge difference.

Hypothetically, an OMNI-god COULD create the world where Satan doesn't rebel, humans don't fall, etc. But he didn't. He chose to create the world in which he knew beforehand that those things would occur. Therefore, he chose to have evil enter the world.
 
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So...god is omnipotent, so he could create the world however he wanted, right?

And he's omniscient, so he knows exactly the outcome of whatever world he chooses, right?

So if he decided to create a world in which he knew evil would arise...

how on earth is he NOT responsible for evil?
Because God is love, and he could not be love if he created beings who only like him.
 
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You say that God could create a world without evil.

So you are saying that he couldn't? Ergo, not omnipotent? I don't have a problem with that. My confusion arises when people define god in such a way that he is both tri-OMNI and not responsible for evil, because they seem awfully contradictory to me.
 
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Your analogy fails because you have neither the power to create your children the way you want, nor the foreknowledge to know how they will turn out. It's a huge difference.

Hypothetically, an OMNI-god COULD create the world where Satan doesn't rebel, humans don't fall, etc. But he didn't. He chose to create the world in which he knew beforehand that those things would occur. Therefore, he chose to have evil enter the world.

Total nonsense. God created a good and perfect world where created beings were completely free to make their own choices. Only such is a perfect Creation. He warned us that the truth is that if you make choices they have consequences - SUCH IS ALWAYS TRUE - making the right choices would have good consequences while making wrong choices in truths freedom to choose will always result in bad consequences. God did not create that reality ever, it simply is the truth. God is truly almighty God but He cannot do wrong though out of wrong He can make things good again. Such is love to perfection.

You on the other hand are full of evil lies charging your perfectly loving Creator to be the supreme evildoer of our existence. While clearly you walk in lies pretending to be an Atheist. Clearly you hate God and how He has manifested himself to be perfectly loving and truthful. Your Creator never willed you to be like that. Your own choices, and your unbelievable limited understanding of what truth is, because of the lies dwelling within you, made you like that. Yet your Creator loves you so much that He hopes you will see the evil of your ways and repent of the lies you believe about God, yourself and others.

Please know He can give you life in His eternal good life as well, as it is your own evil lies will be your doom for the shape your truth. For His loving truth can easily survive your false charges, while your reasoning is full of lies and half truths distorting your own spirit, God and everything else, cutting you off from His love, and digging your own grave. i truly feel deeply sorry for you stuck with such lies about God, yourself and others, and pray that the truth will arrest you one day and put things straight for you.

i advise you to read a book called "The Crucified God" it might help you understand how the truth of love operates - so very unlike your reasoning my dear friend. Truly the author nullifies all protest directed at God, yours as well.

Peace.
 
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So you are saying that he couldn't? Ergo, not omnipotent? I don't have a problem with that. My confusion arises when people define god in such a way that he is both tri-OMNI and not responsible for evil, because they seem awfully contradictory to me.
Mankind was given free will. There would be no evil if God took away our free will.
 
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