Why are most Christians so accepting of magic

Hieronymus said:

Do you think you can defend actual magic (magick) as proper entertainment for Christians?

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I've never seen actual magic, I've only seen illusionists performing illusions and calling it magic.

That's a good question. Probably because of misconceptions and lack of understanding.

Cis.jd said:

I have addressed your points but my post isn't going be a tl;dr in where I answer it one by one so my posts answers all of it together. The point against everything you are saying is that it was from bad theology and how it ends up creating an image of Jesus that is negative. It's not just answer 1 John but every single argument that you are using trying to point out that any medium that has no christian stuff in it is bad. God isn't so insecure that he is against you enjoying something that isn't religion.

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What post # did you address my seven points?

Jason0047 said:

What post # did you address my seven points?

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Every reply i made after your post (actually even before it, on 181 and 190) all answer your points because the context all ends the same.

Cis.jd said:

Every reply i made after your post (actually even before it, on 181 and 190) all answer your points because the context all ends the same.

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I was referring to Post #194 (Which was after the posts you made).

Jason0047 said:

I was referring to Post #194 (Which was after the posts you made).

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Yes, like i said. "even before, on 181 and 190". Meaning to say your points where of the same context of what I've been saying even before you posted it.

Hank77 said:

I've never seen actual magic, I've only seen illusionists performing illusions and calling it magic.

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Look for 'demon magicians'.
I think you (and many others) just assume it's all just illusionism t.b.h.

Cis.jd said:

Yes, like i said. "even before, on 181 and 190". Meaning to say your points where of the same context of what I've been saying even before you posted it.

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Your not getting it. I offered a new post with points that each need to be addressed individually. But if you don’t reply to that post specifically, then that is your choice.

Moving on if you don’t address the points in that post.

May God bless you.

Jason0047 said:

Your not getting it. I offered a new post with points that each need to be addressed individually. But if you don’t reply to that post specifically, then that is your choice.

Moving on if you don’t address the points in that post.

May God bless you.

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Why don't you read my posts so you can finally get that everything you gave was already responded to? It's like the only way your points are answered is if i do it in the same enumerated format that you addressed them. They all result in the same context.

Hieronymus said:

Look for 'demon magicians'.
I think you (and many others) just assume it's all just illusionism t.b.h.

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There is evidence that these illusionist are performing illusions.

Where is the evidence that demons are involved?

Jurors got a rare behind-the-scenes look at a David Copperfield disappearing act Tuesday during testimony in a negligence lawsuit....
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Popovich told the jury of eight women and four men last week that 10 minutes before Cox fell, Copperfield safely walked through that same area as part of another illusion that did not involve audience participation.
Lawsuit leads to revelations about David Copperfield's act

Hank77 said:

There is evidence that these illusionist are performing illusions.

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Unless it's a secret, which it usually is.

Where is the evidence that demons are involved?

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Some claim it themselves and use matching symbolism and rituals, some tricks are naturally impossible.
So i suggest to look for 'demon magicians'.
There is quite a bit to be found about it, with compelling footage.
The question then becomes, which explanation is more plausible.
And what's left when there is no natural explanation?
For starters, there is doubt.

Jurors got a rare behind-the-scenes look at a David Copperfield disappearing act Tuesday during testimony in a negligence lawsuit....
....
Popovich told the jury of eight women and four men last week that 10 minutes before Cox fell, Copperfield safely walked through that same area as part of another illusion that did not involve audience participation.
Lawsuit leads to revelations about David Copperfield's act

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Either way, they don't intend to let the public know for certain how tricks are done.
And if it is occult, it is always hidden, except for the initiate.
Not saying it is always occult when you don't have a natural explanation, of course.

I think you can compare it to selling your soul for fame in the music business.
It seems this is a thing in all of entertainment.
The symbolism and the depravity that seems to come with it (drugs, sexual deviance, etc.), is often easy to see.

Here is a video on how Shim Lim does his tricks

Hieronymus said:

Some claim it themselves and use matching symbolism and rituals, some tricks are naturally impossible.

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Someone can claim anything in order to attract audiences it's advertising.

Many tricks are naturally impossible, the Statue of Liberty can't just disappear, that's why illusions are necessary to make it look like the naturally impossible did happen.

Cis.jd said:

Why don't you read my posts so you can finally get that everything you gave was already responded to? It's like the only way your points are answered is if i do it in the same enumerated format that you addressed them. They all result in the same context.

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Moving on from talking to you on this topic.

May God’s goodness be upon you.

is this a lowkey shot at those who enjoy the final fantasy series?

Hank77 said:

Where did I say the quote was from? Not the video, did you look on his website?

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Sorry Hank, you stated that Shin said something, then posted a vid. I assumed that the vid was support for what you claimed that Shin had said and did not find it there.

Hank77 said:

How many hours does one need to play the piano in order to get a college degree in music? He said carpal tunnel cut him out of receiving that degree so he dropped out of college. That doesn't mean he could never play the piano again just not as a professional concert pianist.
I don't think you or I are qualified to determine anything about carpal tunnel, hours practicing piano v. hours practicing doing card tricks.

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I don't know if you know anyone that has carpal tunnel problems.. But.. I do and there is no way that they could do, with their hands and fingers, what Shin does.

Also, to become this adept at slight of hand and do the things with cards that he does.. would take just as many hours as becoming a professional pianist.

Yes, I am no doctor, but, carpal tunnel and those card maneuvers... nope, I'm calling that one out.

Hank77 said:

Watch this video to see how some of his tricks are done.

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Soon as I have time.

Hieronymus said:

Unless it's a secret, which it usually is.Some claim it themselves and use matching symbolism and rituals, some tricks are naturally impossible.
So i suggest to look for 'demon magicians'.
There is quite a bit to be found about it, with compelling footage.
The question then becomes, which explanation is more plausible.
And what's left when there is no natural explanation?
For starters, there is doubt.
Either way, they don't intend to let the public know for certain how tricks are done.
And if it is occult, it is always hidden, except for the initiate.
Not saying it is always occult when you don't have a natural explanation, of course.

I think you can compare it to selling your soul for fame in the music business.
It seems this is a thing in all of entertainment.
The symbolism and the depravity that seems to come with it (drugs, sexual deviance, etc.), is often easy to see.

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From Hieronymus’ post:

“I think you can compare it to selling your soul for fame in the music business.

It seems this is a thing in all of entertainment.

The symbolism and the depravity that seems to come with it (drugs, sexual deviance, etc.), is often easy to see.”
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This is cause and effect: singers with possessed spirits pursuing their lusts for sex, drugs, etc. The video has the singing, the dancing, (kind of reminds me of the Pied Piper), and the allurements which can be explained physically. But like possessed magicians, whose card tricks can be explained physically, there might also be the hidden element of darkside occult energy.

I’ve said it before, h-sexuality and darkside occultism are very hard to prove in court, but the spiritism of darkside occultism can be sensed, I sensed male bisexual vibes in the 1970’s before it came out of the closet in the 1980’s during the start of the AIDS epidemic. If I could sense it, -- wouldn’t the angels in heaven also know?

Hank77 said:

If you had gone to his website you would know what art he wants respected, so he won't lie about it to the audience.
His website is called, The Art of Illusion.

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That may be.. but, he also said that he uses "Black Art". You cannot just ignore that.

Cis.jd said:

Well, it's not actual magic. It's magic for show so yes I can defend why it's not bad for a Christian to be entertained by it. I don't think God is that small (or evil) that just being entertained by a show is going to send you to hell.

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OK, first of all... nothing "sends us to hell". We all start on the way to hell. From the get go, we're all going to hell... So, nothing can "send us to hell" as that is our destination.
If we were all to have a personal spiritual GPS... Every single one would be default set with the destination "Hell".

Second, I don't think it is bad for a Christian or anyone for that matter to watch. However, there is a problem when non believers or Christians who are unaware of what they are watching, can be impressed and amazed by something that is not from God.

Are we supposed to enjoy, respect, admire, the works of anything that is not from God?

Also, all of this is meant to callous our consciences, numb us to the increasingly more supernatural things are going to get as we come closer to the end of this age.

The beast will do wondrous things... not of God... and we will be like "meh" that's pretty cool" and not even realize the ramifications of the things that are coming.

We are the proverbial frog in the pot. As the water is heated slowly we are unaware until we are boiled alive.

Hank77 said:

Normally I wouldn't have taken part in this discussion but because I did I found this next video that explains another illusion that I have tried to figure out. It demonstrates David Copperfield and the great wall of China illusion and well as a few others.

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Let's get one thing straight. Much of "magic" is tricks, props, actors, slight of hand and it just takes the right equipment, the right planted audience member and lots and lots of practice..

I'm not denying that.

However, as time goes on and magicians are trying to push the envelope to new highs... they have activated demonic forces and admitted to it. Mike Super, Shin Lim and even David Copperfield have come right out and said it.

BUT... still people sleep.

"I've never seen actual magic, I've only seen illusionists performing illusions and calling it magic." = Hank77 is right on target with this comment! The vast majority of observable "magic" today in the entertainment industry is merely illusionary engineering and has nothing to do with occult or satanic forces or actions. If a Christian is uncomfortable watching such entertainment, then don't watch it. Since I am uncomfortable watching people use profanity, then I don't watch that kind of entertainment!