Trinity

Neogaia777 said:

But then of course there is "The YHWH" with nothing after it, this one was the original "The" "Son of God" the Father, the original Chief of the (other) Sons of God... But then that is also what Jesus claimed to be as well, isn't it...

God Bless!

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I understand what you are saying. And yes... Yeshua Ben Yoseph, indeed was condemned by the Sanhedrin... for acknowledging that He was YHWH.

The idea that you set forth about a race... what did you mean?

"YHWH is the name or a species or race or certain class of beings, (Sons of God) even angels carry the name YHWH, but for simplicities sake I did not want to get into that."

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This definitely comes from the demonic Book of Urantia, which was 'channeled' through an individual in the 20th century. It directly contradicts the Bible in so many ways and is suppose to supercede the Bible as God's supposed final revelation. Steer clear of this book; have nothing to do with it. Most Urantians don't want to identify themselves as such and masquerade as 'Christians.'

Mathetes66 said:

This definitely comes from the demonic Book of Urantia, which was 'channeled' through an individual in the 20th century. It directly contradicts the Bible in so many ways and is suppose to supercede the Bible as God's supposed final revelation. Steer clear of this book; have nothing to do with it. Most Urantians don't want to identify themselves as such and masquerade as 'Christians.'

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I can confirm this as I’ve had moderate discussions with Urantria adherents. I don’t think this was Neo’s Intention or origin of info... but the thinking behind the statement is imperative... because I’m still wondering what @Neogaia777 meant.

Grip Docility said:

I can confirm this as I’ve had moderate discussions with Urantria adherents. I don’t think this was Neo’s Intention or origin of info... but the thinking behind the statement is imperative... because I’m still wondering what @Neogaia777 meant.

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I don't know anything of what you guys are talking about BTW, so they are obviously not my source...

I'm hoping these scriptures might clarify (maybe)...?

Acts of the Apostles 7:30- “And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai."

Acts of the Apostles 7:38- “This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us,

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

I don't know anything of what you guys are talking about BTW, so they are obviously not my source...

I'm hoping these scriptures might clarify (maybe)...?

Acts of the Apostles 7:30- “And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai."

Acts of the Apostles 7:38- “This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us,

God Bless!

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The “Angel Of YHWH”... or Malakh YHWH is no race of Creation but the very Christophany. Paul confirms this in 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

Revelation also confirms this.

Also, I was specifying that I was near certain you weren’t drawing from the Urantria.

Angel means messenger... and God can be God’s own Messenger. This is a Trinitarian fact. The Person’s Of God are real yet indivisible.

I have to go to bed now and "try" to get some sleep, I'll be back later or some other time...

G'nite, and,

God Bless You All!

Neogaia777 said:

I have to go to bed now and "try" to get some sleep, I'll be back later or some other time...

G'nite, and,

God Bless You All!

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G’nite Neogaia.

All Blessings in Jesus Christ to you.

Grip Docility said:

The “Angel Of YHWH”... or Malakh YHWH is no race of Creation but the very Christophany. Paul confirms this in 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

Revelation also confirms this.

Also, I was specifying that I was near certain you weren’t drawing from the Urantria.

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It says "Angel"... and it says "a" angel in the fire in thornbush that Moses saw with his eyes, or the physical manifestation, and "the" Angel or what many say is a Christophany, in the voice of God that he heard... Which would fit with all of what I said and have been saying all along in a few of my posts before this...

And I would also ask you how Christ can be "The Angel of the Lord" and "The Lord" at the same time, but I think what I have already said gives some insight into this... They are "one body" ect...

God Bless!

Grip Docility said:

G’nite Neogaia.

All Blessings in Jesus Christ to you.

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K, seriously, I'm going to bed now... Thanks...

G'nite and,

God Bless!

I just want to add this (again) also, The YHWH, or God in and of the OT, was not fully omniscient, at least not always and not fully from the very beginning, and that is just "fact"... He therefore cannot be the Heavenly Father God, Jesus spoke of when He said "Heavenly Father" (God), but must have been "The" "original Son of the Father God", or "The Son" of the One who was 100% fully omniscient from the beginning... The original Chieftain of the angels or other "a" "Sons of God"...

Adam was the original Son of Man, Christ either claimed to be both, or that He was "The Son of God" and "The Son of Man" was someone else or one who was to either come before or after Him... The Elijah or John that was to come possibly maybe...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

The Trinity consists of YHWH or the Holy Spirit, the original Son of God, and Jesus Christ who is also a Son of God, who became the Son of God, and the Father God who is above them both

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That's not the Trinity. That's anti-Trinitarian heresy.

The Son or Logos (who became incarnate as Jesus) is the 2nd Person of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is the 3rd. Together with the Father, all three are God.

As the Athanasian Creed says, the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

Neogaia777 said:

YHWH was the original Son of God

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YHWH is the name of the Triune God.

Neogaia777 said:

Jesus challenged YHWH, and YHWH challenged Jesus, at first, before the two became One

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That's completely unbiblical and anti-Christian.

Neogaia777 said:

YHWH is the name or a species or race or certain class of beings, (Sons of God) even angels carry the name YHWH

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Wrong.

Neogaia777 said:

I just want to add this (again) also, The YHWH, or God in and of the OT, was not fully omniscient, at least not always and not fully from the very beginning

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Wrong and blasphemous.

Jesus claimed to both the Son of Man (in his flesh) and the Son of God in His Spirit or in His essence that would be preserved...

He was the Son of Man because He was the Son of the original Son of God, or the YHWH, and He (Jesus) claimed to be the Son of God because He claimed to be the One, or the Son of the true Father God, or the always from the beginning fully omniscient One...

"If you are a/the Son God" someone said to Him (Jesus)...

YHWH was the original Son of God of the always from the beginning fully omniscient One, or the True Father God... Adam and YHWH in the Garden were the original Son of God, and the original Son of Man, cause Adam was a Son of the original Son of God, or YHWH, who was the original Son of God of the true Father God, or the All Father God...

YHWH is the Holy Spirit...

The true Father God knew all and planned all and knew all from the very beginning, made Satan and arranged for the fall to happen, ect, that would create a separation of the relationship between YHWH and Adam, or YHWH and Man... I wonder if YHWH is, or was in any way upset with Him (the True Father) for that...?

Anyway, what Jesus did "worked" in elevating Him, or restoring Him to His original position with God the Father, to go to where that One was was, and be both here and there, and as the light, or wherever there is light here... But, the two (YHWH and Jesus) were supposed to be or become "one new man" and go there together, and have peace with one another, now, did that part happen, or was YHWH left here...?

Is there still a separation between YHWH and Man...? Or is there truly "peace" now...? Is YHWH just still only here only, and not both here and there, like Christ or like the light is now...?

YHWH is very "passionate" to say the least... While Jesus and where He is now, both here and there, and here as the light and all light, is like the Father in that nothing seems to bother them, which kind of bothers me sometimes, in a way, and because stuff does bother me and us, I relate more to the YHWH than I do Christ or the Father sometimes because stuff does bother me and upset me sometimes, ect... And i love Him and Love them both...

But, I understand, they (Father and Jesus) are not worried about anything, because they know all, and know all is going to work out just fine in the end... But, I asked about all those here still having to suffer here in the meantime, and was kind of upset myself that nothing or none of it was seeming to bother them at all, ect...? Their indifference bothered me...

I was answered back that I myself knew that everything was going to work out in the end, and that I myself, said it myself, that all those that have to suffer here in the meantime, that what they are/were, that there "essence" would be preserved and they would be rewarded, or it would all be made right what they had to suffer "here", "there" when they got there... That they would not be allowed to just pass into oblivion, ect, and that I said so myself...

I still just don't understand how they could be so indifferent and "calm as Hindu cows" so to speak, but said I was glad for it anyway, but also said I could relate to YHWH and His being "upset"...

That I greatly loved them both, or all three, ect...

If Love is pain, if Love is crazy, if Love is insane, if Love drives one crazy and insane, then I guess YHWH is Love, and I guess that I can strongly relate in that Love or that Passion as well... And I can't help but Love Him (YHWH) and Love them (all three) anyway...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Thanks for the clarification concerning the Book of Urantia.

In modern 21st century AD English,

• God the Father = "The God" or "The Divinity" (Greek ton Theon)
• His Word & Spirit = "Godly" or "Divine" (Greek Theos)

According to Irenaeus' Against Heresies, written in the 2nd century AD,

• trinity = One God + His Two Hands = Godhead (fully divine by essence & nature)

The One God has always remained remote & transcendant ("no man has seen the Father" John 1:14) but He does reach into His creation by means of His Word (shapes & crafts matter, and which incarnated into Jesus Christ and so "became flesh" John 1:14) and His Spirit (enlivens & animates matter).

Importantly, God's Two Hands are "generated" transcendently beyond space-time, not "created" or "made" in space-time.

All three Persons of the Godhead are mentioned in the first three verses of Genesis 1:1-3:

• God created all (v.1)
• God's Spirit hovered over the waters (v.2)
• God said, "let there be light..." (v.3)

Even the Angels are created beings, formed & fashioned by God's say-so with His Word -- the entire triune Godhead is fully divine in essence & nature & being, and so wholly transcends beyond all of creation space-time which The God the Father crafted with His Word and animated with His Spirit.

When God sent His Word into human history on earth, when His Word incarnated in Jesus, Christ was literally "God's [fully Godly & Divine] Right Hand" on earth in history:


And as God sent His Spirit into the Church in history at Pentecost, so God truly holds the whole wide world in His Hands: