Since 1914, why have morals and values been on a steady decline?

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America doesn't need to share anything with the world because it's dangerous to trust enemies who preach peace and acceptance but don't practice it themselves and who go against America and it's values

Do you ever consider that more isolated and xenophopic America becomes the easier it is to twist it to tyranny ? Perhaps some form of twisted theocracy.

Having many ideas and ideologies around is better than having just a few or one. Introspection becomes so much harder if you live with one ideology only.
 
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Whenever I hear someone mention that the planet is moving towards uniting together I always think of a world power that can easily take over and enslave everyone and that is very bad. That is why I am so against just letting gay people have sex like you mentioned. It's a deliberate push in the opposite direction because America doesn't need to share anything with the world because it's dangerous to trust enemies who preach peace and acceptance but don't practice it themselves and who go against America and it's values. It's dangerous to say that anything goes and anything is allowed because all it's doing is going more and more progressive until no one fears any law and there will be chaos and destruction. The world will fall into a black despair and poverty because some world power took over and killed everyone and then people will realize the importance of laws and then the planet starts over again. The beauty of humans is that we're tribes, not nations. We united in villages, not in cities. We unite by country, not nationally. Our differences protect us from being like the enemy which is progressivism and globalism. We do not need to be like them. Because if we all think the same and have the same morals then we all will be brainwashed the same and equally screwed. Therefore, it is deliberate to think differently regardless of logic. Christianity being against homosexuality is one aspect of why the religion has made America united as ever and unlike any other nation and as strong as ever.
I don't see how letting people have gay sex will lead to a world government or anything like that. I any case I'll take promiscuous gays any day over the "good old" practices where a woman was basically a man's property to rape and could effectively be sold by her father for land and livestock.

If "don't have gay sex" is an American value, then that's an American value we can do good without.
 
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Do you ever consider that more isolated and xenophopic America becomes the easier it is to twist it to tyranny ?

A tired old play out of the Leftist play book is to couch opposition in terms of mental illness. Stalin did this for decades. Phobia mean irrational fear. Islamophobia. Homophobia. Xenophobia. All of these words are used to stop debate in an effort to have a Leftist position accepted by default.

1st, not all fears are irrational.

2nd, not all decisions are based on emotions, let alone the emotion of fear.

3rd, America' ascendant nationalism, re-asserting its sovereign right - to border security, immigration, trade deals and (global warming) treaties - is in no way is xenophobic.

Perhaps we ought to introduce new phobias in our public discourse, e.g., patriachyphobia, heterophobia, locorophobia (fear of local & familiar customs) and Christianitophibia.
 
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A tired old play out of the Leftist play book is to couch opposition in terms of mental illness. Stalin did this for decades. Phobia mean irrational fear. Islamophobia. Homophobia. Xenophobia. All of these words are used to stop debate in an effort to have a Leftist position accepted by default.

1st, not all fears are irrational.

2nd, not all decisions are based on emotions, let alone the emotion of fear.

3rd, America' ascendant nationalism, re-asserting its sovereign right - to border security, immigration, trade deals and (global warming) treaties - is in no way is xenophobic.

Perhaps we ought to introduce new phobias in our public discourse, e.g., patriachyphobia, heterophobia, locorophobia (fear of local & familiar customs) and Christianitophibia.

It's not xenophobic to separate the children of refugees seeking asylum from their parents, lock them up in cages, and refuse to let them have basic necessities like soap, toothpaste, and beds?

Well, I suppose it might not be - if you treated everyone, not just foreigners, so horribly.
 
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I don't see how letting people have gay sex will lead to a world government or anything like that. I any case I'll take promiscuous gays any day over the "good old" practices where a woman was basically a man's property to rape and could effectively be sold by her father for land and livestock.

If "don't have gay sex" is an American value, then that's an American value we can do good without.
Not me.
 
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Do you ever consider that more isolated and xenophopic America becomes the easier it is to twist it to tyranny ? Perhaps some form of twisted theocracy.

Having many ideas and ideologies around is better than having just a few or one. Introspection becomes so much harder if you live with one ideology only.
The founding fathers wished for isolationism. We ought to listen to them because they know what's best for the nation since they created the government for it.

Furthermore, our government prevents tyranny with the 3 branches of government and checks and balances. It's a government for America not the rest of the world and their brother. The people should worry only about America and not what some other random country has or pushes for because it doesn't matter.
 
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If "don't have gay sex" is an American value, then that's an American value we can do good without.
Well, it is far from a uniquely American value (if it is an American value at all!). Probably, then, you are saying that you are doing without the values of most of the worlds societies. Just saying.
 
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The EU is no more unified than the US--why didn't that cause eschatological terror?
A nation that tries to monitor it's people by making them progressive is dangerous
 
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Prison is suppose to be a punishment not a vacation. A harsh crime deserves a harsh punishment. That is where my morals differ from yours.

Yes, Mr. Wentworth, your morals are differ from mine, and I am glad for it.

The Bible should also an extension of the law as all laws come or originate from it.

Sure they do, sure they do, just keep telling yourself that. Bible quiz: Find a verse supporting voting for leaders, especially by women. I won't wait up late for an answer.

That's the world I wish I lived in where people were patriotic, where treason would result in death (which includes flag burning) and where a strong understanding of the nation will result in strong leaders. AKA Nationalism and patriotism.

At this point, I really wish I had a flag to burn, on public property, where you could see it. In my country (USA) we won't tolerate authoritarian nonsense.

Ben Franklin said:
A republic ma'am if we can keep it.
 
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The nations of the world have been unified under one ruler for at least 2000 years.

I think you are confused about history Mr. Kirk. The Romans didn't actually control the whole world 2000 years ago, and no one has since.
 
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I never said that they were more important as all of those things you mentioned are all equally as terrible and should result in swift and harsh punishment to give example to all who even think about doing such crimes. I'd discuss how to punish said people but it would be "inhumane" to people of today and to me that will not work. A person is not above the law and shall be punished harshly for doing the crimes you mentioned. Have you seen the movie The Count Of Monte Cristo? All prisoners should be imprisoned and live in those conditions with no TV, fresh food, water, etc. Prison is suppose to be a punishment not a vacation. A harsh crime deserves a harsh punishment. That is where my morals differ from yours. The Bible should also an extension of the law as all laws come or originate from it. That's the world I wish I lived in where people were patriotic, where treason would result in death (which includes flag burning) and where a strong understanding of the nation will result in strong leaders. AKA Nationalism and patriotism. Those are my morals. I also respect everyone until they break the law and I think everyone has a role in society to follow. Is this an unfavorable opinion? Sure, but it's not meant for debate. It's just the world that I wish I lived in. Everyone must have rules and morals to follow. I grew up with a father with the same mindset so I approve of such practices. He loved his country but hated those who took advantage of the law and hated the country.
You didn’t address the point I raised. How can you say our country was more moral when the average person condoned and /or participated in the savage practices of slavery and suppression of women and children’s human rights? And did you imply that sexual immorality is just as bad as slavery?
 
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Hahaha, look at the rest of these posters dismissing the OP and saying he's completely crazy. Comparing him to condoning a certain bad practice. Way to prove his point, guys.

Aren't you both "Christians" who should agree without pulling silly arguments?
 
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A return to 1914 values would mean stripping away the rights, freedoms and dignity of the majority of US citizens - how do you justify that to them? How would you convince them that returning to a societal structure where they were second class citizens is remotely moral at all?
 
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Well, it is far from a uniquely American value (if it is an American value at all!). Probably, then, you are saying that you are doing without the values of most of the worlds societies. Just saying.
Yes, that particular value I can do without. I used to be what they call homophobic, I remember what it was like. Being gay was unnatural, gross, yucky, and I had this weird idea that it was sort of contagious and that gay people were just dying to have sex with anyone of the same gender. Thankfully it dawned on me that I had no reason whatsoever to assume such things about their motivations, and I realized I had no reason to deny anybody having gay sex, other than that I thought it was really yucky.

Morality for me has to do with harming people. I mean if consenting adults get a kick out of... well, whatever, if it doesn't harm anyone I really don't see why it should be outlawed. And of all the things that really, actually hurt people, things like gay marriage is waaaaaay down on the list.
 
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It's not xenophobic to separate the children of refugees seeking asylum from their parents, lock them up in cages, and refuse to let them have basic necessities like soap, toothpaste, and beds?

Stay away from the border! That's where all the trouble begins.

If it were up to me, I'd give orders to shoot on sight, any invaders.
 
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Keep in mind that over all human history or even just the last ~300 years of it's existence, the "blacks" weren't the only single group that was unfairly hated.

So? Is that intended to have made it okay?

"The other boys did it too!" didn't even work with my mother.
 
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Stay away from the border! That's where all the trouble begins.

If it were up to me, I'd give orders to shoot on sight, any invaders.

Shoot unarmed, innocent people fleeing for their lives with their children. You think that's what Jesus would do?
 
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