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When God created man, including me, God gives each of us value, gives us a soul and that is why God loves man and has such great interest in man. In the OT, the Gentiles were not God's chosen people, yet God still had love for the Gentiles and had interest in their being saved as seen by His sending Jonah to preach to them.

You do not deal with what the true problem is, and that lingering problem is Calvinism. Calvinism falsely claims Christ atonement was limited to just a few, meaning God sees no value or worth in the rest of men He created in His image with a valuable, precious soul.
Calvinism would have God, before the world began and before any man did anything good or bad (Romans 9:11), already "hating" certain men. They did nothing to deserve God's 'hate'. If before the world began no one had done anything worthy to deserve God's love, no one had done anything worthy to deserve His 'hate'.
So you admit that your value isn’t from anything in you.
 
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But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
— John 1:12
You overlooked in this verse that belief gives one the right TO BECOME a child of God, belief only therefore does not make one a child of God.

"Believers are not sons of God simply because they merely believe": "It is not declared that they were made children by believing, but to the believer he gives the power to become a child. When one believes in Christ, his faith becomes a power to lead him to yield himself to God and to receive the Word into his heart. He can then repent of sin, surrender to the will of the Father, and, being baptized into Christ, he puts on Christ, becomes the Lord's brother and a child of God by adoption." NT Commentary, BW Johnson / Coffman Commentary
 
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You overlooked in this verse that belief gives one the right TO BECOME a child of God, belief only therefore does not make one a child of God.

"Believers are not sons of God simply because they merely believe": "It is not declared that they were made children by believing, but to the believer he gives the power to become a child. When one believes in Christ, his faith becomes a power to lead him to yield himself to God and to receive the Word into his heart. He can then repent of sin, surrender to the will of the Father, and, being baptized into Christ, he puts on Christ, becomes the Lord's brother and a child of God by adoption." NT Commentary, BW Johnson / Coffman Commentary
What about those who don’t believe?
 
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Are you part of a local body that can hold you accountable?

Do you great all the brethren with an holy kiss?
Do you greet one another with an holy kiss?

For 1 Thessalonians 5:26 says, “Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.”
1 Peter 5:14 says, “Greet one another with a loving kiss.”
 
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Do you great all the brethren with an holy kiss?
Do you greet one another with an holy kiss?

For 1 Thessalonians 5:26 says, “Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.”
1 Peter 5:14 says, “Greet one another with a loving kiss.”
It was a simple yes or no question. But you’ve actually given me your answer.
 
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No, you didn’t misunderstand.

What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven,
And whose sins have been covered. “Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.”
— Romans 4:1-8

That’s grace, my friend.

If I am understanding you correctly, you believe men like George Sodini were saved?

"George Sodini, mass murderer and professed Christian Eternal Securist wrote in his suicide letter,

“Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”"

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GEORGE SODINI
 
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It was a simple yes or no question. But you’ve actually given me your answer.

My questions are a "yes" and "no" answer, too.
However, I asked my question(s) because there is a point behind why I answered your question with my own question(s).
 
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If I am understanding you correctly, you believe men like George Sodini were saved?

"George Sodini, mass murderer and professed Christian Eternal Securist wrote in his suicide letter,

“Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”"

Source:
GEORGE SODINI
I have no idea if he was saved. I cannot judge whether Christ knew him or not.
 
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So you admit that your value isn’t from anything in you.


Again, when God created me He gave me a soul thereby giving me value. I was also made in the image of God meaning God created me with similar traits as He has such a logical reasoning, creativity and free will. When men use that logical thinking and free will to obey God, God sees worth in that obedience so much so that He will make the obedient His sons. The disobedient remain sons of the devil.

Job 7:17 "What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?"
Because man is fearfully and wonderfully made, (Psalms 139:14), man is the offspring of God (Acts of the Apostles 17:29), made in His image (1 Corinthians 11:7) and those who obey God, God will make them His sons, send His spirit into their hearts (Galatians 4:6). Obviously man has value to God.

How much is man worth to God? Just yesterday someone was showing me some of their collectibles they were thinking about selling and was telling me the "book value" of each item. I responded by saying they are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them. So how much worth has God put on man? An immeasurable amount of worth by having sent His Son to die for man.

Are you not going to deal with the problems Calvinism presents? All men have no worth to God?
 
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My questions are a "yes" and "no" answer, too.
However, I asked my question(s) because there is a point behind why I answered your question with my own question(s).
I have a point, too.
 
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Again, when God created me He gave me a soul thereby giving me value. I was also made in the image of God meaning God created me with similar traits as He has such a logical reasoning, creativity and free will. When men use that logical thinking and free will to obey God, God sees worth in that obedience so much so that He will make the obedient His sons. The disobedient remain sons of the devil.

Job 7:17 "What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?"
Because man is fearfully and wonderfully made, (Psalms 139:14), man is the offspring of God (Acts of the Apostles 17:29), made in His image (1 Corinthians 11:7) and those who obey God, God will make them His sons, send His spirit into their hearts (Galatians 4:6). Obviously man has value to God.

How much is man worth to God? Just yesterday someone was showing me some of their collectibles they were thinking about selling and was telling me the "book value" of each item. I responded by saying they are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them. So how much worth has God put on man? An immeasurable amount of worth by having sent His Son and die for man.

Are you not going to deal with the problems Calvinism presents?
If you want to start a thread, go ahead.
 
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I have no idea if he was saved. I cannot judge whether Christ knew him or not.

Let's say hypothetically George Sodini knew Christ. Is it possible that he could have been saved despite what he had written and professed and done?

In other words, if George Sodini knew Christ, and was a son, would he be saved despite his future admittance to his own mass murder and his own professed suicide within his own suicide letter?
 
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Let's say hypothetically George Sodini knew Christ. Is it possible that he could have been saved despite what he had written and professed and done?

In other words, if George Sodini knew Christ, and was a son, would he be saved despite his future admittance to his own mass murder and his own professed suicide within his own suicide letter?
I think I’ve addressed this.
 
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I merely was asking using a different scenario just so that I am not misunderstanding what you are trying to say.
If someone is in Christ, sin won’t affect their union with Christ, but it will affect their communion with Christ.
 
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