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“but I’m an excellent asset to each company”

If you are an excellent asset to each company, leave the past alone. You are repenting between you and God, and with his help, will go and cheat no more.

I see you are married. Not sure if you have children or not, but you are responsible to support your household. Quitting is not just a decision for you alone to make, but also your family.

I think your thoughts sound a bit obsessive/compulsive on this issue; if it were me, I would move forward without cheating anymore, work diligently to continue being and asset to these companies and then reconsider after you give your mind at least six months of rest from these thoughts.

However, quitting requires your wife's agreement. If she doesn't agree, reaping what you have sown means keeping your jobs and doing your best to continue being an asset in spite of how bad you feel.
 
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If you are an excellent asset to each company, leave the past alone. You are repenting between you and God, and with his help, will go and cheat no more.

I see you are married. Not sure if you have children or not, but you are responsible to support your household. Quitting is not just a decision for you alone to make, but also your family.

I think your thoughts sound a bit obsessive/compulsive on this issue; if it were me, I would move forward without cheating anymore, work diligently to continue being and asset to these companies and then reconsider after you give your mind at least six months of rest from these thoughts.

However, quitting requires your wife's agreement. If she doesn't agree, reaping what you have sown means keeping your jobs and doing your best to continue being an asset in spite of how bad you feel.


well the 3 companies i work for do a contract renewal every 6 months but my other career doesnt do a renewal or anything like that? its just you do the career and quit if you dont wanna do it anymore.
 
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To me it sounds like everyone is saying,
Ask God for forgiveness, but dont tell the companies I work for. Just keep it between me and God and move on...


I guess it makes me feel like, if they knew i cheated id prob get fired or prob get in trouble, and because i dont say anything im constantly sinning or doing something wrong by not saying something.

and I feel because id prob get in trouble etc, wouldn that be wrong that im still working at all my jobs and career and not saying anything.

since God is a God of honestly, am i constantly and willfully sinning that I dont tell them?I guess it makes me feel like, if they knew i cheated id prob get fired or prob get in trouble, and because i dont say anything im constantly sinning or doing something wrong by not saying something.

and I feel because id prob get in trouble etc, wouldn that be wrong that im still working at all my jobs and career and not saying anything.

since God is a God of honestly, am i constantly and willfully sinning that I dont tell them? and unless i tell them im not fully forgiven or something?

it makes me think im not obeying a conviction or something because I feel guilty or something? the obeying conviction would be telling them? or do you guys think im just overthinking and I should just keep between God and I?
 
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To me it sounds like everyone is saying,
Ask God for forgiveness, but dont tell the companies I work for. Just keep it between me and God and move on...


I guess it makes me feel like, if they knew i cheated id prob get fired or prob get in trouble, and because i dont say anything im constantly sinning or doing something wrong by not saying something.

and I feel because id prob get in trouble etc, wouldn that be wrong that im still working at all my jobs and career and not saying anything.

since God is a God of honestly, am i constantly and willfully sinning that I dont tell them?I guess it makes me feel like, if they knew i cheated id prob get fired or prob get in trouble, and because i dont say anything im constantly sinning or doing something wrong by not saying something.

and I feel because id prob get in trouble etc, wouldn that be wrong that im still working at all my jobs and career and not saying anything.

since God is a God of honestly, am i constantly and willfully sinning that I dont tell them? and unless i tell them im not fully forgiven or something?

it makes me think im not obeying a conviction or something because I feel guilty or something? the obeying conviction would be telling them? or do you guys think im just overthinking and I should just keep between God and I?

Were there any rules at the beginning of the test that specifically prevented you from taking the test open book?

Or are you just assuming that because it was a test that you couldn't use all the resources at your disposal to answer the questions correctly?

If there aren't/werent specific instructions against it, then your employer had no problem with you using any resources at your disposal in order to find the correct answer, as it's what any intelligent person with common sense does in any real world situation when they don't know the answer to a problem.

If you broke a specific injunction against taking the test open book then it was unethical on your part, but not something that thousands of other people who aren't Christian haven't done. I'm not excusing it, I'm just pointing it out because that is what your employer factors in for..

The point of one test at the site and one test at home, is to find out what you can figure out verses what you've committed to memory, usually.

From Got Questions:

Every sin is ultimately committed against God (Psalm 51:4). The Bible consistently emphasizes our need to confess our sins to Him (Psalm 41:4; 130:4; Acts 8:22; 1 John 1:9). As for the confession of our sins to people, the Bible gives no blanket command. We are told many times to confess our sins to the Lord, but the only direct command to confess to someone else is in the context of church elders praying on behalf of the sick (James 5:16).

Do we need to confess our sins to those we have sinned against?
 
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Were there any rules at the beginning of the test that specifically prevented you from taking the test open book?

Or are you just assuming that because it was a test that you couldn't use all the resources at your disposal to answer the questions correctly?

If there aren't/werent specific instructions against it, then your employer had no problem with you using any resources at your disposal in order to find the correct answer, as it's what any intelligent person with common sense does in any real world situation when they don't know the answer to a problem.

If you broke a specific injunction against taking the test open book then it was unethical on your part, but not something that thousands of other people who aren't Christian haven't done. I'm not excusing it, I'm just pointing it out because that is what your employer factors in for..

The point of one test at the site and one test at home, is to find out what you can figure out verses what you've committed to memory, usually.

From Got Questions:

Every sin is ultimately committed against God (Psalm 51:4). The Bible consistently emphasizes our need to confess our sins to Him (Psalm 41:4; 130:4; Acts 8:22; 1 John 1:9). As for the confession of our sins to people, the Bible gives no blanket command. We are told many times to confess our sins to the Lord, but the only direct command to confess to someone else is in the context of church elders praying on behalf of the sick (James 5:16).

Do we need to confess our sins to those we have sinned against?



So. the 3 jobs I currently work for, I dont know if we were allowed to use references or not. doubt it, those were like certification courses and tests, I also think i said I had past experience that I didnt have.
I took photos of right and wrong answers to pass "I work from home so all the testing etc is done at home"

The new career,
you are not allowed to use open book or any other reference material etc on the modules/quizzes/ main test, I asked them if you can use references etc,
at the very end when you pass it makes you sign and say you didnt use other resources etc and you will lose credit if you do or something and may get a fee etc
I did all things you probably shouldnt do for online courses with new career as far as cheating
google, open book, and in past took photos trying to cheat with wrong/correct answers


but the main test you take in person you are not allowed to have anything open book etc, so I will have to take another exam with no reference,
 
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So. the 3 jobs I currently work for, I dont know if we were allowed to use references or not. doubt it, those were like certification courses and tests, I also think i said I had past experience that I didnt have.
I took photos of right and wrong answers to pass "I work from home so all the testing etc is done at home"

The new career,
you are not allowed to use open book or any other reference material etc on the modules/quizzes/ main test, I asked them if you can use references etc,
at the very end when you pass it makes you sign and say you didnt use other resources etc and you will lose credit if you do or something and may get a fee etc
I did all things you probably shouldnt do for online courses with new career as far as cheating
google, open book, and in past took photos trying to cheat with wrong/correct answers


but the main test you take in person you are not allowed to have anything open book etc, so I will have to take another exam with no reference,

I have a question, why did you extensively cheat to that extent?

It sounds like you made it a habit for a while. I thought you used reference material for one exam only..

Am I misunderstanding the situation?

Have you just taken an entire certification course cheating the entire time instead of using your actual knowledge of the material as your guide?

Why?
 
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So for the career-
I signed up for the course and took photos of right and wrong answers, and breezed through it all and failed.
I then had to wait 30 days to re take test.
I didnt retake that test for like 6 months because I didnt know if wanted to continue with career in general.
I then just recently re studied the entire course, and when I went to take course again, I did have open book and used google as back up because the courses are expensive so I wanted to make sure I passed.
Well I failed that 2nd time.

I had to re pay for course "just recently" and i re studied all the material, then when I went to take main course exam again I just used open book,
and I think i used google for like 2 questions.
and I passed

I did study and know a lot of material but I used open book to be safe because If I didnt pass Id have to wait 30 days to retake
I decided to use open book for that reason.
as far as photos this go around, I would only take a photo of something I felt I need to study in general,
 
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So for the career-
I signed up for the course and took photos of right and wrong answers, and breezed through it all and failed.
I then had to wait 30 days to re take test.
I didnt retake that test for like 6 months because I didnt know if wanted to continue with career in general.
I then just recently re studied the entire course, and when I went to take course again, I did have open book and used google as back up because the courses are expensive so I wanted to make sure I passed.
Well I failed that 2nd time.

I had to re pay for course "just recently" and i re studied all the material, then when I went to take main course exam again I just used open book,
and I think i used google for like 2 questions.
and I passed

I did study and know a lot of material but I used open book to be safe because If I didnt pass Id have to wait 30 days to retake
I decided to use open book for that reason.
as far as photos this go around, I would only take a photo of something I felt I need to study in general,

take the in person test and don't tell anyone about the two questions.

Do your best on it..

If you fail again come back and get advice.

Are you ADHD with learning disabilities?
 
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it makes me think im not obeying a conviction or something because I feel guilty or something? the obeying conviction would be telling them? or do you guys think im just overthinking and I should just keep between God and I?

Confess it to the Lord and ask Him to guide the consequences. Then let Him do as He wills.

I do not think you have the moral right to quit your job without your wife's agreement. She would be the person most damaged by your doing so. Let the Lord work out what will be. Just go and don't do this sin any more.

Edited to add: Two wrongs don't make a right. You are performing well on your jobs and your companies think you are an asset. Just continue being an asset to them with all of your might and main, but don't inflict injury on your wife as a second wrong.
 
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two questions? what do you mean?

What do you mean come back and get advice?

and no i dont think im adhd with learning disabilities.

I was just asking since you seem tto be having a difficult time with testing..

Just keep trying to pass the test.

As far as the cheating, just pray to God for forgiveness, I don't think anything else is required, to be honest.
 
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So here is what I'm currently dealing with

I recently decided to take a new career path and I cheated on the one test. The test was an online class and test so I used open book and other ways to pass
I now am due to take another test "won't be cheating on" because its done in person.

I have been feeling really bad about it and it made me think wow... I've actually cheated a lot in my life.
years and years ago
I "think" not sure if for sure on this but I cheated on a portion of driver permit test.
I then cheated through high school to get my diploma.
I lied on my job applications of past experience to get the jobs I have currently.
Also the 3 jobs I have, I cheated on the coursework to get the jobs “but I’m an excellent asset to each company”

and any job ive ever applied for and did momentarily through the same companies "contract work" ive cheated on courses etc. "so do i also tell them past things ive done aswell, in addition to the work I do now"
and really any job stuff ive done in the past ive cheated on "courses and passing tests etc"

So its basically made me think of everything Ive done throughout my life.

So now I feel bad about the new job im wanting, and then its also making me feel bad about the current jobs I have.
Obviously when you fill out a job application you say you have a high school diploma, driver license etc.
but I cheated through school, and I can't remember if I did or didn't cheat own driving quiz thing/.

I then think should I come clean with the three companies I CURRENTLY work for.
Im an independent contractor, not employee.
but if I do... what if I lose my jobs,
then in the future do I tell future jobs I cheated on diploma and other things etc and lied in past to get jobs.??

so its like the honestly would kinda never end and may end up hurting me more in the long run.....
so that's one part

the cheating on new career test made me spark and think about the past stuff I've done.

so do I be honest with the companies I currently work for?
and do I also be honest with the new career path quiz.

I obviously don't plan to cheat on anything again, and I've asked God to forgive me but is it necessary to also tell the companies and new career people?
If I don't tell them, am I willfully sinning and being disobedient or something?? and like im doing something wrong for the rest of my life?
i dont wanna go to hell or something...

The thing is, with the 3 jobs I currently work, I've had the jobs for so long that I don't know if its even necessary to bring up?

The new career field im going into, I just did the test, so I don't know what to do?
I have asked God what to do and I don't feel im getting a clear answer
I don't want to wreck my job security I have now and not be able to pay my bills etc,

and then with the new career, if they found out I cheated im sure I would lose all credit and maybe get in trouble with fees etc.

is it better to just ask God for forgiveness and just move on.
keep doing my 3 jobs and new career and never cheat again?
I don't wanna go to hell or not obey God or something.
I just dont know what to do... I dont know if its best to just move on and keep my 3 jobs and start new career and just keep it between God and I, or if its necessary to tell everyone what I've done. I also am certain I have ocd so im not sure if this is also making the situation worse" which im sure is".

I just feel like telling everyone the truth will be a never ending cycle of new things I feel I need to tell or something and cause un necessary issues
keep in mind driver thing "which im. not even sure if cheated" was like 9 years ago, high school was like 6 yrs ago.
3 jobs I have all acquired Dif times, one almost 4 yrs ago, one was a year ago, and another was a few months ago,

new career, i just finished the courses online etc
just gotta take an exam in person now
The other thing to is if I tell all 3 jobs and career everything I lied about and cheated etc

Then I will also say oh yeah I cheated in highschool and maybe on driving thing, not sure on driving though, is that even really necessary? Since it was so long ago

what would you legitimately do in my situation
Please let me know your advice

Sometimes I’ll feel I have reasons and feelings where I feel I’m supposed to tell everyone and other times I feel that I shouldn’t because it’s just gonna cause so many issues or something and I may lose jobs etc

I keep going back and forth wondering

Reminds me of that movie, "Catch Me If You Can" about a con man (DiCaprio) who drifted through life lying his way into every job, even pretending to be a doctor, head of the department mind you. But when asked to perform a surgery, since he was more equipped - (which they believed), he got nervous, shyed away from it and conned one of the interns to do the work while he supervised. When asked an important medical question, he would defer it to someone else and ask yet another doctor if he concurred with the other doctor, then he would order them to proceed.

You can only con your way so far before it all catches up to you and you are caught.
You however have experience godly sorrow for your ways. You know they were wrong and you confessed them to God and to us. You are performing your jobs adequately, it isn't like you are messing up. Your employers may overlook your cheating if you told them, since you are doing well, but they may not. You would be putting them in an awkward position to ignore past infractions, withold this from their superiors which may jeopardize their jobs. Some jobs require a signature stating the informatiin you have given is true, under the penalty of perjury. Those companies probably would at least fire you.

God forgave you. That means you have a clean slate. Just start fresh and move forward and integrity will be yours and earned. I think the most people will concur with this.
 
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If you are performing adequately on your job, that's all they really care about. I'm sure, one way or another, some, or all, of them have cheated on this or that too. Frankly a sob story confession might offend them for that reason and be like a burden you are giving them that they don't want to deal with.

The problem is your guilt, not the jobs. Again, if you can do the jobs and do the jobs to their satisfaction that is what counts. Now, in the future you need to turn over the cheating habit to the Lord so that He gives you the strength to stop it.
 
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On more quick question:
I have recently also asked some personal people I know
And 3 people have told me almost the exact same thing “wording” when I asked them about my situation
“It May cost you the job, or you may lose the job or it may be worth it even if you lose the job.

Then it makes me think doesn’t God send confirmation in sets of 3 sometimes?
I read a verse that says
I’m the mouth of two or three witnesses
And a couple other verses about 3s etc

I’ve had numerous people say move on and continue in jobs “more people say move on keep my jobs etc, then quit etc” but where I’m getting stuck is 3 dif people told me almost the same thing and wording and all others says continue

Is this God speaking?
Since 3 dif people said same similar thing
“It May cost you job, but may be worth it, etc
Or similar wording “

I’m so confused
 
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I also called a pastoral call line today and they said the question is did I take something from the company

For example the new career I’m going into requires pre licenseing and then main test in person
Obviously I’m not cheating on main test in person
But the online pre license course is the quiz I used open book on etc

The pastor basically said we are to be honest people
So the question I should be asking is did I hurt them?

So essentially he was saying I got a credit not earned and lied about and took something from them and to be honest ??

I just feel since I feel I do have OCD it’s only going to cause a domino affect of what I feel I need to be honest about etc
 
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So here is what I'm currently dealing with

I recently decided to take a new career path and I cheated on the one test. The test was an online class and test so I used open book and other ways to pass
I now am due to take another test "won't be cheating on" because its done in person.

I have been feeling really bad about it and it made me think wow... I've actually cheated a lot in my life.
No dishonest person is found in the life to come in heaven..... so get things right with God Today if you did not yet.
 
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