Can Science Clean Up Swine?

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Bacon is awesome.

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No parasites survived that.
 
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It is unclean because the Creator says it's unclean. Now, we know, scientifically, that it is a very unhealthy animal to eat

The Bible designates pig to be an unclean animal; scientifically, we can see why this may be.
 
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Thank you for making the point.

Clinical state has nothing to do with what God called unclean. That argument doesn't even hold true for many of the other "unclean" foods, much less all the other things that are or temporarily become "unclean." It's all a matter of ceremony, God creating for Himself a "peculiar people."

A bunch of years ago in the Air Force, I was in small talk with the military chaplain for our unit--who happened to be an Orthodox Jew.

I mentioned that health benefits of the Mosaic Law made sense, and he cut me real short: "We don't obey God because it makes sense, we obey God because He is God."

Trying to use secular arguments as a reason to obey God is, right out of the blocks, a failed argument because God will immediately require us to do things that don't make sense at all.

Jews have a specific term for such things: Chukkim. Commands by God that make no discernible sense.

Jesus tells us to do humanly irrational things as well, all the time. Playing up obedience to God as a matter of rationality is a losing game.
 
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There is no place where the Word of God said that anyone that wants to be His child can do away with His Law. Read the canon for yourself. The Word of God (Christ) never said we could make any part of the Law of God inert or void. This is something men have come up with.

I am glad you said this is what you heard, because it highlights a different issue. I actually didn't see your faith status, but it is ironic that based on what you said I still assumed you were Christian.
 
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Well, it is pretty plain and clear in Matthew 5:17 isn't it? It should also be clear that the Word of God, and the Most High God 1) do not contradict, and 2) are the only Arbiters of the Law of the entire cosmos and dimensions. Therefore, any man, beast, god, angel, demon, celestial, x-man, etc. that says something contradictory to the Word of God should be taken as wrong at best.

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In our "infinite progress and technology with respect to the biblical OT world," we still don't realize how most of our problems come from eating creatures that are not meant for human consumption despite their taste or apparent nutrients. We band-aid our health problems with prescription medicine, diets and targeted exercise, when we should be focusing on what is proper for human consumption in the first place.

The antediluvian diet was based only on humans gaining their energy from first-rate energy sources: object that only "eat" sunlight, and "drink 'mineral' (dirt) water." When the world they knew it ended the first time (likely changing the genetics of the progeny whose parents witnessed the end) He allowed us to eat animals that only ate objects that ate first-rate energy. In other words, they ate second-rate energy from the run. Even the animals that eat muck (fish with scales and fins) have digestive systems that properly cleanse the toxins from the flesh we eat.

We didn't have to be told all of this, or learn it though accident and enlightenment over thousands of years. All we had to do was listen to our Father.
 
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I mentioned that health benefits of the Mosaic Law made sense, and he cut me real short: "We don't obey God because it makes sense, we obey God because He is God."
We, who are not so obligated, can still benefit from their underlying "health code" qualities.

God told the Israelites to wash their hands around 1500BC.

The Gentiles did not consider its value until Semmelweis (1818-1865AD).

And it wasn't generally accepted (by Gentiles) until nearly 50 years later, through the works of Pasteur, Lister (namesake for Listerine) & Koch.

Hebrew dietary codes & hygienics are worth a second look on those grounds, alone.
 
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"The Israelites were instructed to prepare the “water of purification” that was to be used to wash any person who had touched a dead body.

At first glance, the water of purification sounds like a hodge-podge of superstitious potion-making that included the ashes of a red heifer, hyssop, cedar wood, and scarlet wool.

But this formula was the farthest thing from a symbolic potion intended to “ward off evil spirits.” On the contrary, the recipe for the water of purification stands today as a wonderful example of God’s brilliance, since the recipe is nothing less than a procedure to produce an antibacterial soap."

God’s Soap Recipe

God’s Soap Recipe
 
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Listed below are some of the things
that the Bible Scoops the [Scientists].

Earth Is Suspended in Space
There are Countless Stars
Expanding Universe
Ocean Currents
The Water Cycle
Quarantine and Sanitation
Antibacterial soap
Life Is in the Blood
Man Made From Dust
 
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We, who are not so obligated, can still benefit from their underlying "health code" qualities.

God told the Israelites to wash their hands around 1500BC.

The Gentiles did not consider its value until Semmelweis (1818-1865AD).

And it wasn't generally accepted (by Gentiles) until nearly 50 years later, through the works of Pasteur, Lister (namesake for Listerine) & Koch.

Hebrew dietary codes & hygienics are worth a second look on those grounds, alone.

If you're going to take the position that some things have been found profitable by science, and therefore should be done, then you have to continue along the line that science is therefore just as useful when it says, "...and you can also avoid the problem by this alternative method."

If A=B then B=A.

But the first time you argue that science is unreliable, then you can no longer use it as evidence to buttress religion either.
 
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If you're going to take the position that some things have been found profitable by science, and therefore should be done,...
No. I am agreeing with @Semper-Fi that the Bible has been shown to have "scooped" science, and that we should not wait for science to "catch up" before we consider these matters. (Gentiles still have no spiritual mandate to do so, however.)
 
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Listed below are some of the things
that the Bible Scoops the [Scientists].

Earth Is Suspended in Space
There are Countless Stars
Expanding Universe
Ocean Currents
The Water Cycle
Quarantine and Sanitation
Antibacterial soap
Life Is in the Blood
Man Made From Dust
if you’re gonna go there

some medical techniques we have because doctors understand Evolution/ common descent:
Vaccines
Advanced surgical techniques on the heart
Antibiotics
Treatments for diabetes
Treatment for blood loss shock
Nutritional studies
As far as pigs are concerned they use pigskin for burn victims

I’m quite sure there are more but I’m kinda busy right now
 
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Earth Is Suspended in Space

Isaac Newton posed the theory of gravity.

Job said it: Job 26:7, c. 1550 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: late 1600s
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There are Countless Stars

The observable universe contains more than 170 billion galaxies, many of which contain trillions of stars.
The universe beyond that is unknown.

As Jeremiah said 2,500 years ago:
“[T]he host of heaven cannot be numbered.”

Jeremiah said it: Jeremiah 33:22, c. 580 B.C.
(See also Job 9:8; Zechariah 12:1)
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Expanding Universe

Edwin Hubble conclusively proved that the universe is indeed expanding.

Isaiah said it: Isaiah 45:12, c. 720 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: 1929
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Ocean Currents

Matthew Maury revolutionized sea travel by charting winds and currents. His quest was to find the “paths of the seas” that King David spoke of.

David said it: Psalms 8:8, c. 1000 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: 1800s
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The Water Cycle

Bernard Palissy first gave a full scientific
explanation of the water cycle in 1580.

Solomon said it: Ecclesiastes 1:7, c. 950 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: 1580
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Quarantine and Sanitation

The Black Death killed 50 million in Europe alone—over half the population.During this plague, Jews (who obeyed biblical instructions on quarantine and hygiene) experienced far lower infection rates.

Moses said it: Numbers 19:3-22, c. 1400 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: 1800s
(See also Leviticus 11, 13, 14 and 22)
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Washing With Running Water

Moses said it: Leviticus 15:13, c. 1400 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: late 1800s-
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Life Is in the Blood

People practiced bleeding as a means of treating diseases for thousands of years.
This medical practice caused countless deaths because it failed to understand that life is in blood.

Moses said it: Leviticus 17:11, c. 1400 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: 1628
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Man Made From Dust

NASA’s Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in man is found in the soil, prompting one scientist to famously remark:

“[T]he biblical scenario for the creation of life
turns out to be not far off the mark.”

Moses said it: Genesis 2:7, c. 1400 B.C.
Man “discovered” it: late 1800s
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notes from[The Bible Scoops the Scientists]
The Bible Scoops the Scientists
 
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if you’re gonna go there

some medical techniques we have because doctors
understand Evolution/ common descent:

#5 Nutritional studies

So they study dino's to see what man should eat?
I am not seeing any connection, please provide links.

I have a friend who is a nutritionist. She never
mentioned studying evolution in her trade.

I believe the bible when it says man is made in
the image and likeness of God, not a monkey.
The bible says the current animals was made in a day.

So what does the evolution - Nutritional studies
suggest we humans are to eat?
please tell us.
 
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#3 Antibiotics

Eighty percent of American antibiotics are used
not to treat humans, but farm animals.

In mass-scale industrial food production, animals are commonly fed the wrong food and crammed into unsanitary living conditions, so they get sick easily.

Recognizing this problem, farmers and meat-packers, rather than addressing the cause and improving the conditions, simply dose their animals with antibiotics.

Scientists have warned for decades that this practice—a constant low dose of antibiotics in a large number of animals—creates exactly the environment you would need if you were deliberately trying to breed antibiotic-resistant superbugs.
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To get rid of sickness, we have to keep health laws like nutritious diet, cleanliness and hygiene, sunshine and fresh air, exercise, plenty of rest, avoiding
injury, and keeping a positive mental attitude.

The more Antibiotics are used, the worse we get.
It harms the bodies natural immune system.

The more they are used, the less effective they become. Diseases that were once treatable are becoming killers again, the World Health Organization warned.

The organization said the over-prescription of anti-
biotics has enabled the rise of untreatable superbugs.
Antimicrobial resistance
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WHO warns the world is running out of antibiotics
WHO warns the world is running out of antibiotics


Concern about growing global antibiotic resistance has come to a head: The World Health Organization is now warning that the world is running out of antibiotics.

There aren’t enough truly new antibiotics being developed, especially for the most concerning antibiotic-resistant infections, according to a WHO report released ...

[T]he latest WHO report takes a broad and prospective look at antibiotic development, and what it describes is not a pretty picture.

“Antimicrobial resistance is a global health emergency that will seriously jeopardize progress in modern medicine,” said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the WHO’s director-general. Without more investment in research and development, “we will be forced back to a time when people feared common infections and risked their lives from minor surgery.”
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No matter how many antibiotic are produced,
Jesus Christ has done forcast global pandemics.

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: [rev. 6:7-8]
“and there shall be pestilences” (Matthew 24:7).

The man on the pale horse symbolizes climactic,
globe-encircling plagues and pandemics occurring
and soon to occur in this modern age!
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The world is headed for a post-antibiotic era, in which common infections and minor injuries which have been treatable for decades can once again kill.
'The world is headed for a post-antibiotic era,' WHO official warns

So I do not trust mans use of antibiotics. Today they are used in lieu of proper animal care, all for profits.

Is this how the bible tells us to treat animals?
 
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