What Is Lacking In Man's Salvation?

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If before the world began, God has unconditionally selected certain individuals to be saved, and God has procured and unconditionally secured those individual's salvation, and God gives these individuals faith, and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?

2 Peter 1:5-9 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

Matthew 8:25-26 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."

1 Thessalonians 3:10 "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?"

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Mark 10:17-21 "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church;" What is lacking in Christ's afflictions?

What were those Jews in Acts 2 lacking in their salvation?
What was the eunuch lacking in his salvation? Acts 8.
What were the Gentiles lacking in their salvation? Acts 10

If God alone does all one needs to be saved then how can God leave anything lacking? Yet from the above passages the 'lacking' is due to man's culpability and is man's accountability to make up what is deficient.

Could it be man is lacking in salvation because God is lacking man's cooperation in being saved?
 
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If before the world began, God has unconditionally selected certain individuals to be saved, and God has procured and unconditionally secured those individual's salvation, and God gives these individuals faith, and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?

2 Peter 1:5-9 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

Matthew 8:25-26 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."

1 Thessalonians 3:10 "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?"

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Mark 10:17-21 "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church;" What is lacking in Christ's afflictions?

What were those Jews in Acts 2 lacking in their salvation?
What was the eunuch lacking in his salvation? Acts 8.
What were the Gentiles lacking in their salvation? Acts 10

If God alone does all one needs to be saved then how can God leave anything lacking? Yet from the above passages the 'lacking' is due to man's culpability and is man's accountability to make up what is deficient.

Could it be man is lacking in salvation because God is lacking man's cooperation in being saved?
God saves but if man decides not to cooperate with God then he will fall.
 
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If before the world began, God has unconditionally selected certain individuals to be saved, and God has procured and unconditionally secured those individual's salvation, and God gives these individuals faith, and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?

2 Peter 1:5-9 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

Matthew 8:25-26 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."

1 Thessalonians 3:10 "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?"

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Mark 10:17-21 "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church;" What is lacking in Christ's afflictions?

What were those Jews in Acts 2 lacking in their salvation?
What was the eunuch lacking in his salvation? Acts 8.
What were the Gentiles lacking in their salvation? Acts 10

If God alone does all one needs to be saved then how can God leave anything lacking? Yet from the above passages the 'lacking' is due to man's culpability and is man's accountability to make up what is deficient.

Could it be man is lacking in salvation because God is lacking man's cooperation in being saved?
Quite the spin.

It's kinda like asking....why are we not 100% sanctified upon conversion?
 
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Quite the spin.

It's kinda like asking....why are we not 100% sanctified upon conversion?

Quoting verses from the Bible is 'spin'?

Those passages shows there was a lacking in man's salvation meaning there must be a lacking in Calvinistic theology.
 
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Quoting verses from the Bible is 'spin'?

Those passages shows there was a lacking in man's salvation meaning there must be a lacking in Calvinistic theology.

Calvinist quote scripture....you consider it as spin. So, what's your point?

Basically I consider your post a strawman....and lacking.
 
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As 57 implies, while salvation was planned before creation, we were not saved untill the time selected by God and were not 100% perfect on being saved.
We have to grow as Christians, to learn, develop becoming more Christ like.
A process only completed when we are transformed to enter heaven.
 
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and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?
Because salvation is only the start, not the finish line.
 
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Staying with what you said.. part I dont agree with :) I agree with Dave... but also see salvation as done. There is nothing lacking. To keep growing.. duh we lack allot.
Being deified in God is an eternal process.
 
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Calvinist quote scripture....you consider it as spin. So, what's your point?

Basically I consider your post a strawman....and lacking.

What did I misquote or add to those verses I cited?

You are not dealing with the subject, facts presented, just attacking me.
 
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As 57 implies, while salvation was planned before creation, we were not saved untill the time selected by God and were not 100% perfect on being saved.
We have to grow as Christians, to learn, develop becoming more Christ like.
A process only completed when we are transformed to enter heaven.


This does not explain that those verses show something is lacking in man's salvation and that is man's culpability for what is lacking and it's man's accountability to do something about it.
 
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Staying with what you said.. part I dont agree with :) I agree with Dave... but also see salvation as done. There is nothing lacking. To keep growing.. duh we lack allot.
The rich man in Mark 10 was lost due to a lacking on His part.

Some will say that salvation is 100% God, 0% man, that man has no role in his own salvation.....God gives man faith, God does all the work for man, man has nothing to do. They will refer to Christ when Christ said "it is finished" that Christ did it all , man has nothing to do in order to be saved.

So according to these people, if something is lacking keeping a man from being saved, then it must be on God's part. If man can only have faith if God gives it to him as some Calvinists claim, then how can it be the fault of those disciples in Matthew 8:25-26 for not having sufficient faith, having just 'little faith'?
 
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If before the world began, God has unconditionally selected certain individuals to be saved, and God has procured and unconditionally secured those individual's salvation, and God gives these individuals faith, and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?

2 Peter 1:5-9 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

Matthew 8:25-26 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."

1 Thessalonians 3:10 "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?"

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Mark 10:17-21 "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church;" What is lacking in Christ's afflictions?

What were those Jews in Acts 2 lacking in their salvation?
What was the eunuch lacking in his salvation? Acts 8.
What were the Gentiles lacking in their salvation? Acts 10

If God alone does all one needs to be saved then how can God leave anything lacking? Yet from the above passages the 'lacking' is due to man's culpability and is man's accountability to make up what is deficient.

Could it be man is lacking in salvation because God is lacking man's cooperation in being saved?
It's actually helpful to start from the end, the desired result, not going to heaven, but becoming blessings to the world.

*To become blessings to the world you have to be in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5
21God made him who had no sin to be sin b for us, so that IN him we might become the righteousness of God.

Many scholars agree that Christ's cross was a sin offering, that made His temple a house of God again, by cleansing it, just as the blood of bulls and goats cleansed the tabernacle, and being in it empowers us to be blessings to the world. They also agree the term "righteousness of God" refers to God's obligation to righteousness, to keep the promise made to Abraham.

*To be in Christ you have to be sanctified.

Numbers 5
2“Command the Israelites to send away from the camp anyone with a skin disease, anyone who has a bodily discharge, and anyone who is defiled by a dead body. 3You must send away male and female alike; send them outside the camp, so that they will not defile their camp where I dwell among them.” 4So the Israelites did this, sending such people outside the camp. They did just as the LORD had instructed Moses.

God cannot allow unclean believers inside His Tabernacle. When the Assyrian king sent people to live in Israel so that it would not be over grown, God sent lions that killed them, because they did not know how to cleanse themselves.

*To be sanctified you have to be fed with teachings that cause repentance, meta noia, a change of mindset, lose dependency on mammon for things that rusts, and value treasure received by serving God, a new birth:

1 Corinthians 10
3and all ate the same spiritual food; 4and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

God pruned Israel from all the dependencies she had on Egypt, even in the desert, when He kept showing her how He could provide resources for her journey to sanctification, as well as add all the necessities of physical life.

*To be fed you have to be baptized:

1 Corinthians 10
1For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

Israel had to agree, con fess, that working for Egypt was not an option, which she did by crossing the sea. That opened the way to being fed from the Rock, being given bread from heaven.

*To be baptized you have to be justified, accepted:

Exodus 12
7 Then they must take some of the blood and put it on the wood pieces at the sides and top of the door of each house where they will eat it.

Israel had to believe God, when He promised to care for them after leaving Egypt.

*To be justified you have to be loyal:

Exodus 4
31and they believed. And when they heard that the LORD had attended to the Israelites and had seen their affliction, they bowed down and worshiped.

Exodus 3
7The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering.

Israel needed to turn to God, not to princes, for rescue from Egypt.
 
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This does not explain that those verses show something is lacking in man's salvation and that is man's culpability for what is lacking and it's man's accountability to do something about it.

Your misrepresentation of scripture is obvious to all who actually read the passages you first quote from 2 Peter in its entirety.

You missed the why this directive to increase in these things was given.. as stated in 2 Peter 1:10, it was to be certain of the calling and election of the believers being spoken to.

If they found themselves to be lacking, blind, etc. then it can most likely be understood that perhaps they had neither calling nor election..

Not that God was somehow imperfect, or that God needed anyone's help to for them become saved.
 
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If before the world began, God has unconditionally selected certain individuals to be saved, and God has procured and unconditionally secured those individual's salvation, and God gives these individuals faith, and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?

2 Peter 1:5-9 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

Matthew 8:25-26 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."

1 Thessalonians 3:10 "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?"

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Mark 10:17-21 "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church;" What is lacking in Christ's afflictions?

What were those Jews in Acts 2 lacking in their salvation?
What was the eunuch lacking in his salvation? Acts 8.
What were the Gentiles lacking in their salvation? Acts 10

If God alone does all one needs to be saved then how can God leave anything lacking? Yet from the above passages the 'lacking' is due to man's culpability and is man's accountability to make up what is deficient.

Could it be man is lacking in salvation because God is lacking man's cooperation in being saved?
Justification is a free gift, that we can accept or reject, involving forgiveness, washing, and making us new creations. Real justice, in seedling form, is poured into us. From there we're expected to continue to walk in and confirm and even increase that justice or righteousness/holiness, coming to increasingly own it for ourselves as God desires us to. We're to invest and increase our talents, with the help of grace, cooperating with God in working out our salvation together with Him. "Apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5- The new covenant in a nutshell.
 
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If before the world began, God has unconditionally selected certain individuals to be saved, and God has procured and unconditionally secured those individual's salvation, and God gives these individuals faith, and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?

2 Peter 1:5-9 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

Matthew 8:25-26 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."

1 Thessalonians 3:10 "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?"

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Mark 10:17-21 "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church;" What is lacking in Christ's afflictions?

What were those Jews in Acts 2 lacking in their salvation?
What was the eunuch lacking in his salvation? Acts 8.
What were the Gentiles lacking in their salvation? Acts 10

If God alone does all one needs to be saved then how can God leave anything lacking? Yet from the above passages the 'lacking' is due to man's culpability and is man's accountability to make up what is deficient.

Could it be man is lacking in salvation because God is lacking man's cooperation in being saved?
The person that lacks these things is one who is justified by faith, but does not go on to demonstrate his faith by works of sanctification as described by the 2 Peter reference.
 
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If before the world began, God has unconditionally selected certain individuals to be saved, and God has procured and unconditionally secured those individual's salvation, and God gives these individuals faith, and God has done all the work needed for these individuals to be saved, then why is it there can be a "lacking" in their salvation?

2 Peter 1:5-9 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

Matthew 8:25-26 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."

1 Thessalonians 3:10 "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?"

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Mark 10:17-21 "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church;" What is lacking in Christ's afflictions?

What were those Jews in Acts 2 lacking in their salvation?
What was the eunuch lacking in his salvation? Acts 8.
What were the Gentiles lacking in their salvation? Acts 10

If God alone does all one needs to be saved then how can God leave anything lacking? Yet from the above passages the 'lacking' is due to man's culpability and is man's accountability to make up what is deficient.

Could it be man is lacking in salvation because God is lacking man's cooperation in being saved?

God doesn't "give man Faith"!

God gives man "the ability to faithe". The ability to choose who and what he will surrender his life to.
 
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This does not explain that those verses show something is lacking in man's salvation and that is man's culpability for what is lacking and it's man's accountability to do something about it.

Salvation is not a disney magical transformation.

It is like live, we are born and have to grow so we can walk, talk etc etc etc.
In the same way baby Christians have to learn how to live as Christians, how to undersdtand the bible, what holy living means etc etc etc.
 
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