Donald Trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll in the mid-1990s, writer says in new book

The Faceless · Jun 25, 2019

DanishLutheran said:
Question: Is it possible that he simply did not remember the meeting?
IF that was the case - is it a lie? It is untrue, but untrue and "lie" is not the same, because "lie" requires knowledge that what one is saying is false.

Even IF it was a lie, that still doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the incident being claimed happened.

Don't worry, though. I don't expect anyone with TDS to understand concepts like "Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt".

Aha.So you raped me, and since you have shown that you disagree with me, you should be presumed guilty unless you can provide concrete proof that you are innocent.

No.

Affirmanti incumbit probatio.

A very stable genius should know if he's met a person.

You need to be banned for now accusing two members of raping you.

DanishLutheran · Jun 25, 2019

The Faceless said:
A very stable genius should know if he's met a person.

You need to be banned for now accusing two members of raping you.

If I had actually made that accusation seriously, then yes. Since it was not a serious accusation, but a way to illustrate the point, then no.

Also: Not everyone has photographic memory, and the lack of a photographic memory does not equal lack of intelligence.

The Faceless · Jun 25, 2019

DanishLutheran said:
If I had actually made that accusation seriously, then yes. Since it was not a serious accusation, but a way to illustrate the point, then no.

Also: Not everyone has photographic memory, and the lack of a photographic memory does not equal lack of intelligence.

Maybe there's a perfectly logical reason he may not remember.

Iran Disparages U.S. Over Sanctions

Mr. Rouhani and other Iranians have said the mixed messages and coercive tactics from the Trump administration belie its professed desire to negotiate. Although such language is new for Mr. Rouhani, Tuesday was not the first time senior Iranian officials have referred to the White House as “mentally retarded.”

DanishLutheran · Jun 25, 2019

The Faceless said:
Maybe there's a perfectly logical reason he may not remember.

I believe there is, too: It was many years ago, and no one can be reasonably expected to remember in person every single individual one has encountered in the past 30 years.

The Faceless said:
Iran Disparages U.S. Over Sanctions

Mr. Rouhani and other Iranians have said the mixed messages and coercive tactics from the Trump administration belie its professed desire to negotiate. Although such language is new for Mr. Rouhani, Tuesday was not the first time senior Iranian officials have referred to the White House as “mentally retarded.”

Yeah, I really don't give a flying fiddlestick what the ayatollahs or their puppets say. When they stop being global promoters of terrorism, stop committing acts of war, and start acting rationally, then that might change.

Hammster · Jun 25, 2019

The Faceless said:
My mind was changed when he flat out lied about even having met her. That's all he does is lie.

Is it possible that she was not all that important and he just forgot? Or maybe she was just in the right place?

Bumble Bee · Jun 25, 2019

The Faceless said:
A very stable genius should know if he's met a person.

You need to be banned for now accusing two members of raping you.

So I assume you recall every person you have ever met then?

whatbogsends · Jun 25, 2019

Sketcher said:
I wasn't defending Trump's credibility or character. I was making the point that 2016-2017 was a great time for victims to come out. And therefore, it would have made more sense to come out then as a victim.

And that I agree with.

It's certainly understandable that she didn't come out at the time of the rape, as it's difficult enough to confront the person who raped you as it is, but especially so when that person has great wealth and power. Regardless of evidence, nothing would likely have happened to Trump at the time.

That being said, it's odd that she is coming forward now, rather than in 2016 when the other accusations were coming out. It doesn't mean that she's lying or not credible, but I do find it to be an odd choice.

ananda · Jun 25, 2019

Not credible, IMO. "Carroll calls rape 'sexy'":

comana · Jun 25, 2019

ananda said:
Not credible, IMO. "Carroll calls rape 'sexy'":

No she says that she thinks most people think rape is sexy, not that she thinks it’s sexy. It’s hard to know what she was really trying to say without her full explanation of what she meant by that and this short clip does not allow that. What happened after the break? Did she continue with her point? We need the full context.

ananda · Jun 25, 2019

comana said:
she says that she thinks most people think rape is sexy ...

That alone makes her not credible, that she imagines most people think that way, IMO.

iluvatar5150 · Jun 25, 2019

ananda said:
Not credible, IMO. "Carroll calls rape 'sexy'":

That's not what she said. It's hard to be any more wrong than how you described what she said.

As to her assessment of most people's opinions, I think she's right about a lot more people than you think. In fact, "she's not my type" is exactly the sort of response that assumes some amount of "sexiness" in rape.

WherevertheWindblows · Jun 25, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
That's not what she said. It's hard to be any more wrong than how you described what she said.

As to her assessment of most people's opinions, I think she's right about a lot more people than you think. In fact, "she's not my type" is exactly the sort of response that assumes some amount of "sexiness" in rape.

She is apparently into the cave man with a stick in his hand type of thing as she expressed here in this interview

SummerMadness · Jun 25, 2019

WherevertheWindblows said:
She is apparently into the cave man with a stick in his hand type of thing as she expressed here in this interview

When in doubt, resort to ad hominem and other personal attacks. And during the interview she was talking about like men that pursue women, it's not hard to understand what she's saying, yet you're saying she said something else.

bhsmte · Jun 25, 2019

Sketcher said:
I can understand not reporting it the year that it happened. What I don't understand is why she didn't come forward with this in 2016-2017 when Trump's reputation was taking hits for the Access Hollywood recording and when #metoo was taking off and when the Stormy Daniels case was still accepted as credible. It would be more credible to me if she came out then when it was safer for a victim, rather than when she's trying to get a book out now.

Nailed it!

In most abuse circumstances, legit complaints come flooding in, once someone has broken the damm.

This accusation, doesnt fit that mold.

comana · Jun 25, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
That's not what she said. It's hard to be any more wrong than how you described what she said.

As to her assessment of most people's opinions, I think she's right about a lot more people than you think. In fact, "she's not my type" is exactly the sort of response that assumes some amount of "sexiness" in rape.

Exactly and considering the amount of inappropriate content, erotica, and romance novels that cater to rape fantasies it seems there are plenty out there who think rape and sexy are not contradictory terms.

comana · Jun 25, 2019

bhsmte said:
Nailed it!

In most abuse circumstances, legit complaints come flooding in, once someone has broken the damm.

This accusation, doesnt fit that mold.

I don’t think her timing discredits her claims. The me too movement could be what inspired her to write her book in which Trump is only one of the men she describes as as assaulting or harassing her over her life.

WherevertheWindblows · Jun 25, 2019

SummerMadness said:
When in doubt, resort to ad hominem and other personal attacks. And during the interview she was talking about like men that pursue women, it's not hard to understand what she's saying, yet you're saying she said something else.

Not really, she stated what she was into and its exactly what I posted. Someone can allege they were raped too. Its a he said/she said type thing but we all know its election time coming up and its the time for the smear campaigns and accusations to emerge again. Whether true or false we can leave that to the courts.

GoldenBoy89 · Jun 25, 2019

WherevertheWindblows said:
Not really, she stated what she was into and its exactly what I posted. Someone can allege they were raped too. Its a he said/she said type thing but we all know its election time coming up and its the time for the smear campaigns and accusations to emerge again. Whether true or false we can leave that to the courts.

Voters have notoriously short attention spans. I think if it were merely a smear campaign it would have come out much closer to the election and not a year and a half out from it.

SummerMadness · Jun 25, 2019

GoldenBoy89 said:
Voters have notoriously short attention spans. I think if it were merely a smear campaign it would have come out much closer to the election and not a year and a half out from it.

True, if this were October 2016 or October 2020, it's all about politics. This is June 2019, hardly a political calculation.

bhsmte · Jun 25, 2019

comana said:
I don’t think her timing discredits her claims. The me too movement could be what inspired her to write her book in which Trump is only one of the men she describes as as assaulting or harassing her over her life.

Agree. We will likely never have reliable independent evidence, as to whether he claim is credible.

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