Wisconsin capitol flies the LGBTQ flag

Aldebaran said:

Yes, and have those who have been out to ban that symbol been quiet about it?

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No, but the question is

Aldebaran said:

“The only cause that the Capitol flags should represent is fifty states united in one republic,” Craig wrote on Twitter.

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whether Craig has been quiet about it. If he has been, or supports those flags, then his comments about this matter are to be laughed at and then ignored.

Edit: I don't know whether he has been quiet about those flags.

Aldebaran said:

That's getting a bit off-topic though. A state flag that contains a certain symbol within it is to indicate that state's history. What state is represented by the LGBTQ flag? It's not a state at all, but a special interest group. Perhaps the NRA will someday be allowed to fly its flag over the state capitol?

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It's in no way off-topic. Craig's quote makes it on-topic. Highlighting that aspect of the state's history celebrates violent rebellion against the Union, which is the opposite of what Craig says is appropriate for Capitol flags.

If you are going to argue that anything in the state's history is appropriate, then the rainbow flag is appropriate because there have been gay people in every state.

Further, as recently as the early 70s, the NRA was mostly actually about education and safety in relation to firearms. It's now not even a special interest group, but a political parasite that has completely replaced the host.

Note: I don't really dig the rainbow flag being flown in this context, either. But we need to know Craig's history of comment on the rebel flags before we can comment on his current stated opinion.

sdowney717 said:

In the Supergirl TV series, she is a lesbian and they show it by kissing each other. And in their real life.
It is overtly on display in the show.
Chyler Leigh and Floriana Lima on Supergirl Lesbian Relationship: 'It's a Love Story, and It's Beautiful'
Leigh says it’s been especially gratifying to introduce a rich LGBTQ storyline into a series set in the popular superhero genre, which has only tiptoed into the territory at times.

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They are not aiming for high viewing figures then I take it. What a load of tosh in place of a storyline. The 1984 Supergirl was a bit campy in places, but it was honest fare and had a storyline - and was not pushing identity politics down peoples throats. It stuns me how far things have gone from even what they were in the early 1980s -[edit] although there was a lot that was just trash - I don't recall much pushing of this or that political view the way a lot of 'entertainment' does now. But there was also a good deal of wholesome entertainment. Wonder women and Wonder gal never kissed, and certainly were not lesbians.

Why should people be celebrated for their sexuality? I mean there is no Hetro-sexuals flag, that I am aware of, neither should there be. People should get on with their lives and stop waiting for someone to congratulate them for peeing in the centre of the bowl.

dms1972 said:

Why should people be celebrated for their sexuality? I mean there is no Hetro-sexuals flag, that I am aware of, neither should there be. People should get on with their lives and stop waiting for someone to congratulate them for peeing in the centre of the bowl.

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There's no reason to celebrate someone for their sexual interests, but the whole thing started as a reasonable response to decades of gay people being assaulted, raped, tormented in various ways, and the larger society just looking the other way on a lot of it.

In other words:

"We imply that you people are less than human by how we treat you!"
"Well...we've decided not to go along witg that anymore!"

Has it gotten out of hand, politicized, etc? Sure. Even some gay people think so. But if the rest of us had affirmed basic dignity all along, even the dignity of teenage boys who might talk a little funny...we might not have ended up where we are now.

Aldebaran said:

It sounds like "gay pride" is actually being blamed on those who think such things are shameful. Paul the Apostle would be chief among those.
Romans 1:27--"and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

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Romans 1 displays exactly no support for raping lesbians, assaulting gay (or imagined to be gay) men with broomsticks, bullying people for years because of how they talk or present themselves. All of which are unChristian and horrible behavior, and no one should be surprised if unChristian behavior gets an unChristian result.

archer75 said:

There's no reason to celebrate someone for their sexual interests, but the whole thing started as a reasonable response to decades of gay people being assaulted, raped, tormented in various ways, and the larger society just looking the other way on a lot of it.

In other words:

"We imply that you people are less than human by how we treat you!"
"Well...we've decided not to go along with that anymore!"

Has it gotten out of hand, politicized, etc? Sure. Even some gay people think so. But if the rest of us had affirmed basic dignity all along, even the dignity of teenage boys who might talk a little funny...we might not have ended up where we are now.

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Well you see other groups who have suffered oppression, lack of recognition etc. conduct their parades and protests with great dignity. But Gay Pride to quote a gay journalist is now:

"...the Olympics for meth, alcoholism, public fornication, corporate pandering, and hairy asses shoved in the faces of children"

https://spectator.us/this-gay-pride-lets-celebrate-shame/

Aldebaran said:

I started watching Supergirl when it came out on the CW channel, but then gave up on it when it started becoming all about the lesbian stuff. It was almost as if Supergirl was the latest version of Ellen Degeneres.

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Ruined it for me also.

This man offered dad hugs to gay people because their families threw them out . The reality of treating gay people as some Christians want them to treated because they can’t accept the way they are. This is his opinion on the subject

dms1972 said:

Well you see other groups who have suffered oppression, lack of recognition etc. conduct their parades and protests with great dignity. But Gay Pride to quote a gay journalist is now:

"...the Olympics for meth, alcoholism, public fornication, corporate pandering, and hairy asses shoved in the faces of children"

https://spectator.us/this-gay-pride-lets-celebrate-shame/

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You seem to be agreeing with archer75. He, and the author of this piece, are not criticized the need to defend gays, but the politicization. There has always been a range of gays, from people who want to live a peaceful Christian life, to people who seem interested primarily in offending as many as possible. Interestingly, the same range exists among heterosexuals. That has nothing to do with what rights either group should have.

Brightmoon said:

As a person of color and a woman both of Whose rights were legally restricted for centuries, i see no problem with them celebrating the right to not be beaten or killed or arrested just for existing.

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You are apparently interested rectifying moral injustice, yet you effectively advocate for the immorality of equating the existence of homosexual persons with their beliefs/practices and comparing--in a specific way--the color of people's skin with sinful homosexual beliefs/practices.

hedrick said:

... and your attitudes damage people.

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How's that?

Describe his attitude, if you would.

Aldebaran said:

No kidding! Did I say that it did?
Oh well, I guess we won't be discussing what it does say.

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It doesn't say anything relevant to the point I made.

My point, again, was that decades of gross mistreatment of people can lead to a backlash. What the pride parades have become (at least sometimes) is part of that backlash.

Aldebaran said:

None of which has anything to do with flying the flag of a special interest group over the state capitol along with the federal and state flags.

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I would say it does. Again, gross emotional or other abuse directed in families towards gay people is one of the factors - a major factor, I would guess - that helped to create what is now "pride."

Please note, this post does not say or suggest anything about affirming everyone's behavior as great, etc. But it does refer to actions such as

• refusing to acknowledge that your child exists
  
• throwing your underage child out of the house
• throwing your barely of age child out of the house
• beating your child up
• verbal / physical rages
• "shunning" your child without actually throwing them out

and so on.