Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

nolidad said:

No the blood of Jesus saved the OT saints. They did not know at the time, but their faith in God credited them with righteousness until Jesus shed His blood!

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So what's the difference you're talking about (and where are you getting that idea from)? You posted this:

mkgal1 said:

The way the Greek Orthodox expresses God's saving work on the cross has been the most profound to me - it also demonstrates there's been ONE plan since the beginning. This is called the Victory of Christ:

Some key features:

• Christ’s cape/robe is flowing upward, this symbolizes his radical descent into Hades to save those who have died in the flesh.
• The golden bars by his feet are the gates of Hades, which he has broken and torn apart. There are keys floating in the abyss below, which symbolizes that he has entered and conquered both death and Hades.
• You may also note the skeletal figure who is chained up: that is Death and/or Satan. He has been bound and killed by Christ, which is why all throughout Pascha we sing “Christ has trampled down death by death.” The icon depicts Hebrews 2:14, “that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil.” The power of the devil and death have been destroyed through the life-giving death of our Savior.
• The two figures whom Christ has grasped and is pulling from tombs are Adam and Eve, symbolizing that his victory redeems all mankind, even back to the beginning. It also foreshadows the general resurrection of the body before the Final Judgment.
• To the left, we see three characters: David and Solomon, two of his ancestors according to his fleshly nature. We also see, closest to him, John the Baptizer, who was his forerunner in both life and death.
• The figures on the right vary from icon to icon, but usually represent Old Testament prophets and saints such as Moses, Able as a shepherd, and the three youths who were thrown into the fiery furnace (Daniel 3). ~ Christ’s Descent into Hades – icon explanation

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Well that is all nice and filled with wonderful emotion- but that is not Scripture!

mkgal1 said:

So what's the difference you're talking about (and where are you getting that idea from)? You posted this:

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Everyone has been saved by faith through grace, not of themselves and not of works. The object of faith has been different in the varied dispensations. Noah did not trust in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus for His sins! He believed God got on the boat and was saved! His faith was credited as righteousness .

In the nation of Israel when it was a theocracy ruled by the Mosaic Law- a proselyte could not go into the court of the Jews, could not obtain an inheritance in the land and others restrictions I would have to look up!

It does not mean they were less saved, but it meant they were inferior to natural Jews in several areas.

nolidad said:

Well without going into scores of promises , I will list just one:

Jeremiah 31:31-37 King James Version (KJV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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Who were the disciples? Were they NOT from "the house of Israel"? And what about the entire early church (especially at Pentecost)?

nolidad said:

That is not what I said and you know it! Or are you always this nit picky? I have told you in th ehistoric context what THE holy place was in Jesus day- you just refuse to accept it!

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The Psalmist also refuses to accept it. He recognizes the city of God, i.e. Jerusalem, as the holy place.

Psalm 46:4
There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.

nolidad said:

It does not mean they were less saved, but it meant they were inferior to natural Jews in several areas.

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Complete bilge and bunkum.

They weren't inferior here:

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Or here:

Exodus 12:48
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Or here:

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Or here:

Leviticus 19:34
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Or here:

Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.


So where are they "inferior" to the Jews?

The racialization of God's Holy Word is about as execrable as it gets.

nolidad said:

Well that is all nice and filled with wonderful emotion- but that is not Scripture!

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That'd take far too long to unpack this. Are you even familiar with who the Greek Orthodox Church is? This is where their origin is (and many were still active churches up until about 100 years ago):


The Greek Orthodox churches are descended from churches which the Apostles founded in the Balkans and the Middle East during the first century A.D., and they maintain many traditions practiced in the ancient Church.
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nolidad said:

Well without going into scores of promises , I will list just one

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So Joshua was wrong (and you are enlightened beyond the prophets)?

nolidad said:

In the nation of Israel when it was a theocracy ruled by the Mosaic Law- a proselyte could not go into the court of the Jews, could not obtain an inheritance in the land and others restrictions I would have to look up!

It does not mean they were less saved, but it meant they were inferior to natural Jews in several areas.

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And that separation and disparity seemed to have upset Jesus (He wasn't encouraging it).

He tore down that wall of hostility:

mkgal1 said:

So Joshua was wrong (and you are enlightened beyond the prophets)?

Joshua 21:45 ~ Not one of all the good things that the LORD had promised to the house of Israel failed. Every promise was fulfilled.​

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God fulfilled His Promises to the Israelites, but they failed their part: to completely drive out all the aliens.
As we see in Judges 1:19-35; none of the tribes did what God required and they lived alongside all the other peoples and they took on idol worship, to their downfall.

keras said:

God fulfilled His Promises to the Israelites, but they failed their part: to completely drive out all the aliens.
As we see in Judges 1:19-35; none of the tribes did what God required and they lived alongside all the other peoples and they took on idol worship, to their downfall.

Only in the last days, will the faithful Christians, be at last the people God always wanted in His Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, Psalms 37:29​

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The word "but" does not appear in Joshua 21:45.

Their failure did not nullify His success.

Every promise was fulfilled.

jgr said:

The word "but" does not appear in Joshua 21:45.

Their failure did not nullify His success.

Every promise was fulfilled.

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Too hasty jgr; I said that God did fulfil His promise, Israel did take it over, BUT Judges 1:19-35 proves that the Israelites, all 12 tribes; never fully got rid of the godless peoples who were there.
Even David had to buy the site for the Temple.

I reiterate; we await the commencement of the end times, when the Lord will clear and cleanse the holy Land for all His righteous people to live there. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 36:8, Psalms 37:29

mkgal1 said:

And that separation and disparity seemed to have upset Jesus (He wasn't encouraging it).

He tore down that wall of hostility:

Ephesians 2:14 ~ For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility.

Mark 11:17 ~ Then He began to teach them and declare, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Isaiah 56:6-7 ~
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

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Well as Jesus along with His Father are the ones who made that sepration and disparity under the theocratic rule of Israel- your theory is not true!

But teh church is a different animal. We have no promised land both here or in the millenial, we were a mystery in the old, revealed in the new!

Isaiah 56 is true! Gentiles could be saved, but becoming a Jew and entering into circumcision. But they still had restrictions.

In the body of Christ a Gentile can be saved as a gentile

mkgal1 said:

So Joshua was wrong (and you are enlightened beyond the prophets)?

Joshua 21:45 ~ Not one of all the good things that the LORD had promised to the house of Israel failed. Every promise was fulfilled.

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Up to that point- no not one failed! but now keep reading of all the Promises God made to Israel after Joshua! there are a lot of them. So unless you are suggesting Joshua had hidden knowledge of all the propheciesa God was going to make in the future- you are right, just incomplete.

mkgal1 said:

That'd take far too long to unpack this. Are you even familiar with who the Greek Orthodox Church is? This is where their origin is (and many were still active churches up until about 100 years ago):

The Greek Orthodox churches are descended from churches which the Apostles founded in the Balkans and the Middle East during the first century A.D., and they maintain many traditions practiced in the ancient Church.

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And they also succumbed to many false practices as well. Iconography, the Nicolaitan heresy misrepresenting the Lords Supper are just a few off the top of my head.

I am not condemning them- I am just saying that the seven churches highlighted, the Lord only had no bad things to say about 2 of them!

Traditions established and practiced for centuries are not Scripture.

jgr said:

So where are they "inferior" to the Jews?

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they had no inheritance in the promised land nor were they allowed to enter into the court of the Jews!

Only natural born Jews could enter the court of the Jews and only natural born children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob could receive inheritance in the land.

When I have time I will dig up more. that does not mean they were not saved or treated badly- it just means there were restrictions! that is why Paul wrote that in Christ there is no Jew nor Greek, slave or free, make or female- because under the law all these had separate positions and had restrictions on them! But ion the Body of Christ we all have equal access.

jgr said:

The Psalmist also refuses to accept it. He recognizes the city of God, i.e. Jerusalem, as the holy place.

Psalm 46:4
There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.

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So now you are saying heaven is equal to Jerusalem??? Just because the words holy place appears in a verse- does not mean that it is the same everytime it appears. Context my boy, context!

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Contexst is the temple and there is only one THE holy place for a Jew in Jesus day- the holy of holies!

mkgal1 said:

Who were the disciples? Were they NOT from "the house of Israel"? And what about the entire early church (especially at Pentecost)?

Luke 22:20 ~ In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.
Acts 2:36 ~
“Therefore, let all Israel know beyond question that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

When the crowd heard this, they were deeply troubled. They said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what should we do?”
Peter replied, “Change your hearts and lives. Each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise is for you, your children, and for all who are far away—as many as the Lord our God invites.”

Hebrews 10:16 ~ “This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”

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Well you should reread the covenant and your own passages you cite.

It has yet to happen!

God said with THE house of Judah and ISrael, not just with some! See I believe God created language and is not a sloppy inspirerer of Scripture!~

Tgeh entering into that covenant as God spoke it to Jeremiah has not occurred yet even as the passage of SCripture from Hebrews you cited says. "After those days"

We as a church have become so careless with teh Word of God! We read a passage and because it looks very close to another we put them together as one when they are not! Or just make assumptions because someone else made that mistake and it took hold and that has become Scripture instead of Scripture being Scripture.

nolidad said:

they had no inheritance in the promised land nor were they allowed to enter into the court of the Jews!

Only natural born Jews could enter the court of the Jews and only natural born children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob could receive inheritance in the land.

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Awaiting Scripture.

The claim that Gentiles were inferior because of their genetics is nothing other than racist.

nolidad said:

Well you should reread the covenant and your own passages you cite.

It has yet to happen!

God said with THE house of Judah and ISrael, not just with some! See I believe God created language and is not a sloppy inspirerer of Scripture!~

We as a church have become so careless with teh Word of God! We read a passage and because it looks very close to another we put them together as one when they are not! Or just make assumptions because someone else made that mistake and it took hold and that has become Scripture instead of Scripture being Scripture.

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I hope you can bear with me, as I've never come across this theological framework before.

You seem to be (based on your posts) separating Jesus' resurrection from His New Covenant. You've stated that salvation is the same offer for everyone - but you're excluding the entire House of Israel/Judah from the New Covenant.....even though the disciples were Jewish (along with the entire early church) and the ones that Jesus literally and physically offered the cup of the covenant to.

In my belief - just because not all ACCEPTED the covenant - doesn't mean it wasn't made.

The book of Hebrews had a Jewish audience - so I don't understand how you can dismiss the offer of His New Covenant to them. "Israel" = People of God. Those that "accept" His offer are the People of God (True Israel). Likewise - those that reject are NOT "Israel" as it states in Scripture: