Why Jesus won't reign on this Earth for 1,000 years

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Great video............
Reminds me of these threads I have up:

It's one of the video you linked in one of your post. I throw it in my post at the last moment. I figure you might get a laugh out of it. It's all meant to be a joke.
 
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Hi JLB,

We read in God`s word that, the saints are clothed in fine linen, (Rev. 19: 8) and angels are also. (Rev. 15: 6).

Marilyn.


And so we see this army of saints and angels returning with Christ on the last day.


And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Then he said to me, “Write: Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.” And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Christ on a White Horse
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Revelation 19:8-14




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And so we see this army of saints and angels returning with Christ on the last day.


And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Then he said to me, “Write: Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.” And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Christ on a White Horse
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Revelation 19:8-14

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Hi JLB,

You just connected those scriptures.

First the vision was of the `marriage of the wife to the Lamb, which the Lord tells us is ON the earth. (Matt. 22: 12, 25: 1 - 13)

Then we see from heaven the Lord coming with His army, which He is Captain of. And all through scripture this has been the angels, (Joshua 5: 15)

and finally the Lord Himself says that He will come with His angels. (Matt. 25: 31)

You seem to discount all what the Lord Himself says.

Marilyn.
 
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Hi ebedmelech,

I agree. That is what I was saying regarding the Body of Christ.
However it is the Father who is bringing the Lord`s enemies to His footstool.

Marilyn.
Hello Marylin. Once again I must disagree with you based on how you're reading Psalm 110.

Let's take a look at how Paul explains Christ resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, because in it he explains Christ is reigning right now:

20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.


If you understand Psalm 110:1 properly, it was when Christ was raised from the dead that God sat Him at His right hand. This is made clear in Ephesians 1:19-21:

19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe.
20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.


It is in light of that statement you read Psalm 110:1 Marilyn...this is why Jesus says in Matthew 28:18:

18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.


This is where the reign of Christ begins as God installs Him as King. Psalm 2 verifies the point.

In Psalm 110, you can't stop at verse 1 Marilyn, or you don't get what's going on...because verses 4-7 explains it is Jesus that is ruling and reigning at God's right hand. This occurs because Jesus gave Himself on the cross.

Jesus has the reign and is running everything right now. Another passage that makes this totally clear is Colossians 1:15-20:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.


That's Jesus right now Marilyn...but as Paul has said, right now we don't see all things under His feet...and the only reason that is, is because all that are to be saved, have not been saved. When they are Christ will return judge this world. After that, He will return all power and authority to God the Father.
 
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Hello Marylin. Once again I must disagree with you based on how you're reading Psalm 110.

Let's take a look at how Paul explains Christ resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, because in it he explains Christ is reigning right now:

20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.


If you understand Psalm 110:1 properly, it was when Christ was raised from the dead that God sat Him at His right hand. This is made clear in Ephesians 1:19-21:

19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe.
20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.


It is in light of that statement you read Psalm 110:1 Marilyn...this is why Jesus says in Matthew 28:18:

18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.


This is where the reign of Christ begins as God installs Him as King. Psalm 2 verifies the point.

In Psalm 110, you can't stop at verse 1 Marilyn, or you don't get what's going on...because verses 4-7 explains it is Jesus that is ruling and reigning at God's right hand. This occurs because Jesus gave Himself on the cross.

Jesus has the reign and is running everything right now. Another passage that makes this totally clear is Colossians 1:15-20:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.


That's Jesus right now Marilyn...but as Paul has said, right now we don't see all things under His feet...and the only reason that is, is because all that are to be saved, have not been saved. When they are Christ will return judge this world. After that, He will return all power and authority to God the Father.

Hi ebedmelech,

I thought I would start with what we both agree on.

Jesus at the right hand of the Father. (Eph. 1: 19 & 20, Heb. 1: 3)

Jesus has all authority and power. (Matt. 28: 18, Eph. 1: 21, Col. 1: 15 - 20)

Thus we agree that Jesus is deity, equal, of the same mind, and in unity in the Godhead. He is at the right hand of the Father and has all authority and power.

We also agree, (I believe) that the Lord Jesus is building and maturing His Body, over the centuries and across the world. (Eph. 1: 22 & 23, 4: 8 - 16, Col. 2: 19, Heb. 8: 1)

What we are now looking at is WHEN the Lord Jesus takes His authority and power and rules over the nations in judgment.

1 Cor. 15: 20 - 28. As you said Paul is explaining Christ`s resurrection. Then we read that

  • those who are Christ`s are next. (Body of Christ to heaven)

  • followed by a setting out to a conclusion.

    `...then comes the end ....when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and all power.` (v. 24)

    Thus we see that the Lord will start ruling AFTER the Body of Christ has gone to heaven.

    Psalm 2 You are right that this Psalm does also show us WHEN the Lord begins to reign. The Lord is set as King on Mount Zion, (figuratively the highest ruling position in the created order, (Heb. 12:22) The nations have gathered together against the Lord and the Father says to the Son that He will give the nations to Him. (This we see happening in Rev. 5 with the scroll.)

    `Ask of Me, & I will give You the nations for Your inheritance,...` (Ps. 2: 8)

    Psalm 110. The Father said for the Son to sit at His right hand TILL He made His enemies the Lord`s footstool. Then the Father would give those nations to the Son, (Ps. 2: 8) so that they can be judged by Him. Further on Ps. 110 we read -

    `The Lord is at Your right hand; he shall execute kings in the DAY OF HIS WRATH.` (v. 5)

    And that time as we know is the tribulation. Thus each of those scriptures you quoted, all show WHEN the Lord Jesus will use His great authority and power -
  1. Jesus rules, after the Body of Christ has been taken to heaven. (1 Cor. 15: 23)

  2. Jesus rules, after the nations have counselled against Him. (Ps. 2: 2)

  3. Jesus rules, when the Father makes the nations His footstool. (Ps. 110: 1)

  4. Jesus rules, when the Father gives the nations to Him. (Ps. 2: 8)

  5. Jesus rules, in the Day of His Wrath. (Ps. 110: 5)



    Marilyn.
 
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Hi ebedmelech,

I thought I would start with what we both agree on.

Jesus at the right hand of the Father. (Eph. 1: 19 & 20, Heb. 1: 3)

Jesus has all authority and power. (Matt. 28: 18, Eph. 1: 21, Col. 1: 15 - 20)

Thus we agree that Jesus is deity, equal, of the same mind, and in unity in the Godhead. He is at the right hand of the Father and has all authority and power.

We also agree, (I believe) that the Lord Jesus is building and maturing His Body, over the centuries and across the world. (Eph. 1: 22 & 23, 4: 8 - 16, Col. 2: 19, Heb. 8: 1)

What we are now looking at is WHEN the Lord Jesus takes His authority and power and rules over the nations in judgment.

1 Cor. 15: 20 - 28. As you said Paul is explaining Christ`s resurrection. Then we read that

  • those who are Christ`s are next. (Body of Christ to heaven)

  • followed by a setting out to a conclusion.

    `...then comes the end ....when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and all power.` (v. 24)

    Thus we see that the Lord will start ruling AFTER the Body of Christ has gone to heaven.

    Psalm 2 You are right that this Psalm does also show us WHEN the Lord begins to reign. The Lord is set as King on Mount Zion, (figuratively the highest ruling position in the created order, (Heb. 12:22) The nations have gathered together against the Lord and the Father says to the Son that He will give the nations to Him. (This we see happening in Rev. 5 with the scroll.)

    `Ask of Me, & I will give You the nations for Your inheritance,...` (Ps. 2: 8)

    Psalm 110. The Father said for the Son to sit at His right hand TILL He made His enemies the Lord`s footstool. Then the Father would give those nations to the Son, (Ps. 2: 8) so that they can be judged by Him. Further on Ps. 110 we read -

    `The Lord is at Your right hand; he shall execute kings in the DAY OF HIS WRATH.` (v. 5)

    And that time as we know is the tribulation. Thus each of those scriptures you quoted, all show WHEN the Lord Jesus will use His great authority and power -
  1. Jesus rules, after the Body of Christ has been taken to heaven. (1 Cor. 15: 23)

  2. Jesus rules, after the nations have counselled against Him. (Ps. 2: 2)

  3. Jesus rules, when the Father makes the nations His footstool. (Ps. 110: 1)

  4. Jesus rules, when the Father gives the nations to Him. (Ps. 2: 8)

  5. Jesus rules, in the Day of His Wrath. (Ps. 110: 5)



    Marilyn.
Hello Marilyn, You seem to have missed a very important portion of the 1 Corinthians 15 passage.

1 Corinthians 15:24 says:
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Tell me, how do you think that happens?
 
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Hello Marilyn, You seem to have missed a very important portion of the 1 Corinthians 15 passage.

1 Corinthians 15:24 says:
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Tell me, how do you think that happens?
I would think at the end of the OC Mosaic Age with the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem and it's Temple/Priesthood.

Matthew 24 Mount of Olives and Titus's 10th Legion on Mt Olives 70ad
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Matthew 24:
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And Jesus going out of the Temple

3 Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us! when shall these be? and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930-5055> of the Age?
6 “Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming<1096>,
but not as yet the End<5056>

Mark 13:
4 Tell us! when these shall be? and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully concluded<4931>.
7 “Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming<1096>,
but not as yet the End<5056>

Luke 21:

7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher! when then shall these be? And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<ginesqai<1096>?
9 “Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming<1096>,
but not immediately the End<5056>

1Thessalonians 2:16
forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be being saved, into the to fill up<378> of their sins always; but the wrath has come upon them into end<5056>.

1 Corinthians 15:23

Each yet in the own rank: a firstfruit Christ, thereupon those Christ's in the Parousia of Him 24 thereafter the End<5056> whenver He may be giving the Kingdom to the God and Father, when He shall be nullifying every sovereignty and every authority and power

1 Peter 4:7
Yet the end<5056> of all things is nigh; be sane! then and sober/watchful into prayers.

Revelation 21:6
And He said to me, “It is done!<5056>
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
 
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Hello Marilyn, You seem to have missed a very important portion of the 1 Corinthians 15 passage.

1 Corinthians 15:24 says:
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Tell me, how do you think that happens?

Hi ebedmelech,

So glad you got back to me, as I am enjoying our friendly discussion. Now I did bring out that point, so sorry if it was not made clear. I will expound a bit more.

`...then comes the end.....` ( 1 Cor. 15: 24)

Now we see that that comes after `those who are Christ`s at His coming...`` (v. 23) That is after the Body of Christ has gone to the Lord`s own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)

So...`then comes the end.` This means a setting out to a conclusion. First the Lord will begin to operate in His authority and power, ruling in the tribulation, and then in the millennium, bringing all rule and authority and power under His feet. This is over quite a period of time.

Finally after all that the Lord will deliver the kingdom to God the Father, and make Himself subject to Him. (1 Cor. 15: 24 & 28)

Marilyn.
 
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So...`then comes the end.` This means a setting out to a conclusion.

There's things that happen after the end though.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations after Christ has returned not before it.

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations for a thousand years does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.
 
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Hi ebedmelech,

So glad you got back to me, as I am enjoying our friendly discussion. Now I did bring out that point, so sorry if it was not made clear. I will expound a bit more.

`...then comes the end.....` ( 1 Cor. 15: 24)

Now we see that that comes after `those who are Christ`s at His coming...`` (v. 23) That is after the Body of Christ has gone to the Lord`s own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)

So...`then comes the end.` This means a setting out to a conclusion. First the Lord will begin to operate in His authority and power, ruling in the tribulation, and then in the millennium, bringing all rule and authority and power under His feet. This is over quite a period of time.

Finally after all that the Lord will deliver the kingdom to God the Father, and make Himself subject to Him. (1 Cor. 15: 24 & 28)

Marilyn.
Hi Marilyn,

That's confusing scripture though, so let's backtrack a little. I'm quite familiar with your position. You've added a lot to this that hasn't been established yet. This is about who has the reign right now...Christ or God...so let me ask this:

After Jesus was resurrected, Jesus said "all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth"...and He sent out the apostles on that basis...He really didn't have all power and authority?
 
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I would think at the end of the OC Mosaic Age with the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem and it's Temple/Priesthood.
That actually really happens after final judgment of Christ...Revelation 21.
 
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After Jesus was resurrected, Jesus said "all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth"...and He sent out the apostles on that basis...He really didn't have all power and authority?

He also said this about his physical return:

Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

A new time to come with power when he physically returns. According to Rev 2 and 19 and 20, he is coming to rule the nations with a rod of iron for a thousand years. This is a special period of rule which will happen only after he has returned and only the overcomers who were faithful until the end shall rule with Christ over these nations.

After he resurrected he indeed did have all power and authority yet this specific period of rule was not to begin until after he returned.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 
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Hi Marilyn,

That's confusing scripture though, so let's backtrack a little. I'm quite familiar with your position. You've added a lot to this that hasn't been established yet. This is about who has the reign right now...Christ or God...so let me ask this:

After Jesus was resurrected, Jesus said "all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth"...and He sent out the apostles on that basis...He really didn't have all power and authority?

Hi ebedmelech,

Oh so you have heard of what I wrote, interesting. Now you have brought up a very good point, well done.

So we agree that Jesus has all power and authority and He sent out His disciples delegating some of that power to them, as we hear that they came back seeing demons go and people healed.

Now we also know that Jesus came as King to Israel and proved His kingship, not only by birth, (right nation, Israel, tribe, Judah, and family, David) but also by His authority and power. He showed this by rulership over wild beasts, (Mark 1: 13), demons, diseases, the elements, the leaders. And this is why the Pharisees challenged Jesus, "by what authority are you doing these things?" (Matt. 21: 23)

Jesus is the King of Israel and He came and revealed that that Kingship was not given by any earthly means but was from God the Father. Jesus told Pilate this, "My kingdom/rulership is not of (from) this world..." (John 18: 36) However when Israel rejected His rulership, Kingship, then this purpose was put on hold till after the tribulation.

Now we move into the interim time, the Body of Christ and we know that the Lord Jesus Christ is Head of the Body, (Eph. 1: 22 & 23) our High Priest, and that He is interceding, building, nourishing and maturing His Body till we come to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God to a mature man...(Eph. 4: 11)

The Lord Jesus has the power and authority to deal with the world system as King, however the Father has said for Him to wait until He, (the Father) brings the nations to His Son`s footstool for judgment. (Ps. 110: 1)

Thus although we know the Lord Jesus Christ is the supreme King Priest, at this time as He focuses on His Body, we see Him just operating as the High Priest. He will step into His Kingly office when the nations are brought to His feet.

Marilyn.




 
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He also said this about his physical return:

Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

A new time to come with power when he physically returns. According to Rev 2 and 19 and 20, he is coming to rule the nations with a rod of iron for a thousand years. This is a special period of rule which will happen only after he has returned and only the overcomers who were faithful until the end shall rule with Christ over these nations.

After he resurrected he indeed did have all power and authority yet this specific period of rule was not to begin until after he returned.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
We've already done this ewq1938. No need to do it again. You know I hold that the 1000 year reign has been ongoing since Jesus stated Matthew 28:18.

If you notice your Rev 5:9 passage...read Revelation 5. Jesus is receiving the book of seven seals from God the father because He has been resurrected. It tells you right there the Lamb who was slain (Jesus) took the book from the hand of God. This occurred at His resurrection. John is seeing that in his vision.

We simply have different views of this.
 
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We've already done this ewq1938. No need to do it again. You know I hold that the 1000 year reign has been ongoing since Jesus stated Matthew 28:18.

Except that verse does not mention the rod of iron reign which is a future reign as I have shown using multiple scriptures. That is a specific period of rule over people that doesn't start until Christ has returned. Proving he was given all power and authority is already agreed on by all but that doesn't address a certain period of time within that which did not begin at the resurrection.

Remember this:

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

Jesus is currently sitting at the right hand of the Father, waiting for his enemies to be made his footstool. It is those enemies he will rule over for a thousand years when he leaves his Father's right hand and returns to the Earth.

Having all power and authority doesn't affect that he has to wait til his enemies are his footstool otherwise what would have have to wait for being all powerful etc? It's timing. He was to wait for the right time and for the right enemies to be made his footstool....only then will he leave the right hand and come to rule with that rod of iron he speaks of at the second coming in Rev 19.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

This is a future rule, not a past or current rule. He has left the Father's right hand to rule over his enemies. He has to first destroy their armies, then the ruling will begin.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

So, yes Jesus has has all power and authority since the resurrection but that doesn't mean it is the right time to leave the Father's right hand and come rule the nations (his enemies) with a rod of iron for a thousand years yet. He is still waiting for that time.
 
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Except that verse does not mention the rod of iron reign which is a future reign as I have shown using multiple scriptures. That is a specific period of rule over people that doesn't start until Christ has returned. Proving he was given all power and authority is already agreed on by all but that doesn't address a certain period of time within that which did not begin at the resurrection.

Remember this:

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

Jesus is currently sitting at the right hand of the Father, waiting for his enemies to be made his footstool. It is those enemies he will rule over for a thousand years when he leaves his Father's right hand and returns to the Earth.

Having all power and authority doesn't affect that he has to wait til his enemies are his footstool otherwise what would have have to wait for being all powerful etc? It's timing. He was to wait for the right time and for the right enemies to be made his footstool....only then will he leave the right hand and come to rule with that rod of iron he speaks of at the second coming in Rev 19.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

This is a future rule, not a past or current rule. He has left the Father's right hand to rule over his enemies. He has to first destroy their armies, then the ruling will begin.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

So, yes Jesus has has all power and authority since the resurrection but that doesn't mean it is the right time to leave the Father's right hand and come rule the nations (his enemies) with a rod of iron for a thousand years yet. He is still waiting for that time.
Did not Stephen see Jesus at Gods right hand?

Check out Ephesians 1:18-22:
18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might
20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.


You can read the same in Colossians 1:13-20. You're getting hung up on Christ ruling with "a rod of iron", when it simply means Christ has the power to punish nations. Pretty much like when Psalm 23 says "your rod and your staff they comfort me" it simply means God disciplines us and protects us.
 
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You can read the same in Colossians 1:13-20. You're getting hung up on Christ ruling with "a rod of iron", when it simply means Christ has the power to punish nations.

To rule in the Greek means to protect not punish so you are misunderstanding what the rod of iron rule is for.

G4165
ποιμαίνω
poimainō
poy-mah'ee-no
From G4166; to tend as a shepherd (or figuratively superviser): - feed (cattle), rule.

G4165
ποιμαίνω
poimainō
Thayer Definition:
1) to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep
1a) to rule, govern
1a1) of rulers
1a2) to furnish pasture for food
1a3) to nourish
1a4) to cherish one’s body, to serve the body
1a5) to supply the requisites for the soul’s need
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4166
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901


Pretty much like when Psalm 23 says "your rod and your staff they comfort me" it simply means God disciplines us and protects us.

No, the rod of iron over the nations is Christ ruling over his enemies not the faithful. You need to comment on Christ not leaving heaven to rule over the nations which proves he is not ruling over them now being still at the Father's right hand.

If what Amil says is true, then Christ would not be at the Father's side currently in order to be ruling over the nations for a thousand years.

The fact that Christ is still at his side now means he is not ruling over his enemies with a rod of iron for a thousand years.
 
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