Questions Regarding Dietary Law (For Gentile Christians)
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Lulav
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You are reading the word from the archaic translation, herbs were not likened to meat (flesh) but rather 'food'.
There is a differentiation in the creation account, Green Herbs are not trees (etz) they are considered, ha Adamah, from the earth.
Basically the 'green herb' is the same as 'plants', which are not trees.
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Mercy74
Mercy Messianic Judaism
The original word "oklah" means "food, eating". So the word oklah doesn't literally mean plants, meat or fruit, but food. The interesting thing is you posted a verse that used the word "meat" to support your position so I presumed you were comfortable with that version or translation. I can use any reputable translation to support my opinion, in fact fruit, green herbs,clean meat can be "eaten" as "food". A tree is a permanent plant that is why a tree can be planted by water (Jeremaih 17:8). What is more important than a definition of a word is how that word is being used, what is lawful to eat "oklah", the original commandment Adam received in the garden. All fruit is not clean; the forbidden fruit in the middle of the garden. We must practice discipline in judgement, we should not eat everything of anything.
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Lulav
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20And Noah built an altar to the Lord, and he took of all the clean animals and of all the clean fowl and brought up burnt offerings on the altar.
It was not that he had chosen them, but the fact that the L-RD brought that many to him to harbor in the ark. It only takes deductive reasoning to figure out why.
of all the clean animals: He (Noah) said,“The Holy One, blessed be He, commanded me to take in seven pairs of these only in order to offer up a sacrifice from them.” - [from Tan. Vayakhel 6, Gen. Rabbah 34:9]
It is not distinquished that it was a lamb, the Hebrew word is for 'flock' of small animals, could have been a kid or a lamb, but it is not specified.
Actually poison ivy can be eaten, there are some people that start eating it when it first appears, in tiny amounts, which after a time inoculates the person from having an allergic reaction.
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be yours to eat; like the green vegetation, I have given you everything.
shall be yours to eat: (Sanhedrin 59b) For I did not permit the first man [Adam] to eat meat, but only vegetation, but for you, just as the green vegetation which I permitted for the first man, I have given you everything.
I believe I did say it meant food, but it was specified what should be considered 'food' just as speaking in a Kosher way to say 'food' means only the permissible things.
Good, I'm glad to hear that. however there are other sources one can use that will verify what I said.
Gen 1: 29 Then God said, "Here! Throughout the whole earth I am giving you as food every seed-bearing plant and every tree with seed-bearing fruit.
30 And to every wild animal, bird in the air and creature crawling on the earth, in which there is a living soul, I am giving as food every kind of green plant." And that is how it was.
Gen 9:3
3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you; just as I gave you green plants before, so now I give you everything -
4 only flesh with its life, which is its blood, you are not to eat.
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Mercy74
Mercy Messianic Judaism
So you consider poison ivy food? Do you also consider the forbidden fruit food? I define food as what is lawful to eat. Adam could eat from every fruit tree except the forbidden tree. I think it is the fruit that the plant bears should be eaten as food. This agrees with the whole of Scripture.
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Mercy74
Mercy Messianic Judaism
Whether a flock; sheep or cattle, all clean animals. Abel offered only clean animals, possibly from a flock of sheep. I clearly stated sheep (clean animal), so there would be no controversy or contentions. However it says "sheep" when the type of animal is mentioned in Scripture. No reputable Scripture says that Abel offered any other type of animal. So it is a strong possibility it was a sheep, but if you wish to point out that the hebrew word refers to a flock of sheep or cattle or goats (tson 6629). I read many different translations and versions, I am not sure which you subscribe to. Most claim that Abel offered a sheep, but all say it was from his flock. I conclude Abel offered a sheep from his flock.
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Lulav
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I have not tried it myself but my statement was about that it could be eaten with restrictions, there's nothing about it in the whole of Torah that says you can't eat it, while it does say the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was not to be partaken of but there was also nothing about not partaking of the tree of life, which some interpret as the Torah or Messiah.
The garden is not open to partake or not right now so the point is moot.
And no, I don't think the 'forbidden fruit' was food.
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Lulav
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I would, based on this:
2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write.....7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,................
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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This cannot be true. I have been in that business for over 40 years. You cannot even use a table or saw on which pork (or chicken) has been processed without sterile cleaning. It is called cross contamination. It is illegal. Let alone adding blood intentionally to cross contaminate.
Huh? It is made up of beef if it is ground beef.
Lu 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
As for fat content, bull meat is used because it is lean. It is not raised to make for good steaks. It is tough and lacks flavor due to the lack of fat (marbled throughout the meat). Marbled meat ( grade prime is the highest in marbling) adds tenderness and flavor (hence the fatted calf above). So supermarkets and wholesalers add bull meat for burger to get their percentages. Straight bull meat is very lean. Plus certain cuts on a beef are leaner than others. Ground chuck (shoulder) has a higher fat content than ground round (hind leg).
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Or....they were illegally handling meat in a very dangerous manner. Truth in labeling is part of the job of usda inspection. People need to know when pork or chicken are present in a product to handle it and prepare it safely. Adding pork blood would lessen the shelf life of the product. Pork degrades much quicker than beef.
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Lulav
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There has been pig blood put in other meats and not listed on the product.
It's called 'meat glue'
Nice huh?
Every day, millions of Americans likely are putting something in their mouths that contains a substance called “meat glue” by critics of the food industry.
The additive with the unappetizing nickname is used to produce meats found in supermarkets, in local delis and in restaurants ranging from fast food to fine dining. Even vegetarian food isn’t exempt.
11 percent to 35 percent of all packaged and sliced ham, beef, chicken, fish, pizza toppings and other deli products are enhanced, restructured or molded using the meat glue, made from one of two brands of protein adhesive.
It's called transglutaminase or blood-extract products------meat glue is not considered a health risk by federal food watchdogs
“For decades, the meat industry has conveniently operated in the dark, not sharing the dirty details of their practices with the public, while the federal government looked the other way,” said Michele Simon, a policy consultant for the Center for Food Safety.
There are two kinds used in this country (US) and one called Fibrimex, is made of enzymes extracted from pig or beef blood by a process developed in The Netherlands.
'Not knowing Activa and Fibrimex are in certain foods can present problems for people with religious and dietary beliefs or special needs.
How can Jews, Muslims and others who don’t eat pork products know whether pig-blood extracts are holding together their chicken or fish pieces?
What about vegans and vegetarians who might not want to eat “meatless” hot dogs, sausage and luncheon meats containing bovine blood or the fermented enzymes?'
It's called 'meat glue'
Nice huh?
Every day, millions of Americans likely are putting something in their mouths that contains a substance called “meat glue” by critics of the food industry.
The additive with the unappetizing nickname is used to produce meats found in supermarkets, in local delis and in restaurants ranging from fast food to fine dining. Even vegetarian food isn’t exempt.
11 percent to 35 percent of all packaged and sliced ham, beef, chicken, fish, pizza toppings and other deli products are enhanced, restructured or molded using the meat glue, made from one of two brands of protein adhesive.
It's called transglutaminase or blood-extract products------meat glue is not considered a health risk by federal food watchdogs
“For decades, the meat industry has conveniently operated in the dark, not sharing the dirty details of their practices with the public, while the federal government looked the other way,” said Michele Simon, a policy consultant for the Center for Food Safety.
There are two kinds used in this country (US) and one called Fibrimex, is made of enzymes extracted from pig or beef blood by a process developed in The Netherlands.
'Not knowing Activa and Fibrimex are in certain foods can present problems for people with religious and dietary beliefs or special needs.
How can Jews, Muslims and others who don’t eat pork products know whether pig-blood extracts are holding together their chicken or fish pieces?
What about vegans and vegetarians who might not want to eat “meatless” hot dogs, sausage and luncheon meats containing bovine blood or the fermented enzymes?'
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