Is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

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The promise of the restoration of the nation of Israel is found in the old covenant:

Deuteronomy 30:1-5 When all these things come upon you—the blessings and curses I have set before you—and you call them to mind in all the nations to which the LORD your God has banished you, and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey His voice with all your heart and all your soul according to everything I am giving you today, then He will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you from all the nations to which the LORD your God has scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the ends of the earth, He will gather you and return you from there. And the LORD your God will bring you into the land your fathers possessed, and you will take possession of it. He will cause you to prosper and multiply more than your fathers. The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and all your soul, so that you may live.

The Old testament prophecies of the restoration of the land of Israel are rooted in the clause of Deuteronomy 30:1-5. Several examples include:

Jeremiah 29:10-14 For thus says the Lord: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place. For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

Ezekiel 39:25-28 Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and will have compassion on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for My holy name. They will forget their disgrace and all the treachery they committed against Me, when they dwell securely in their land, with no one to frighten them. When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them out of the lands of their enemies, I will show My holiness in them in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, when I regather them to their own land, after exiling them among the nations, not leaving any of them behind

Amos 9:14-15 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

This was found fulfilled once under the old covenant, when those from the southern kingdom and northern kingdom returned to the land after the Babylonian exile.

Ezra 1:5 Then rose up the heads of the fathers’ houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and the Levites, everyone whose spirit God had stirred to go up to rebuild the house of the Lord that is in Jerusalem.

1 Chronicles 9:1-4 So all Israel was recorded in genealogies, and these are written in the Book of the Kings of Israel. And Judah was taken into exile in Babylon because of their breach of faith. Now the first to dwell again in their possessions in their cities were Israel, the priests, the Levites, and the temple servants. And some of the people of Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim, and Manasseh lived in Jerusalem: Uthai the son of Ammihud, son of Omri, son of Imri, son of Bani, from the sons of Perez the son of Judah

However, the old covenant ended and was superseded by the new covenant through the blood of Christ.


Hebrews 10:9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second

Hebrews 9:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Additionally, the old covenant was only a shadow that was meant to point to Christ, and not the true reality.

Hebrews 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities,

colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.


The old covenant is no longer in effect, as it was superseded by the new covenant. Thus, the promises of restoration to the land are no longer a valid.

an Earthly example to help understand:
I was single and created a will in which my best friend would inherit my estate in the event of my death. However, I later married and changed that will so that my wife, and not my friend, would inherit my estate in the event of my death. The new will cancels the old will, and thus my best friend would not inherit my estate.


So is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?
Also, I am always stunned and dismayed when Christians use scripture to justify the mistreatment of the Palestinians, and look at events like the embassy being moved or Golan Heights with joy and exultaion...even preachers from the pulpit.
God is nothing if not just, compassionate, fair...
And,
"Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord. That day will be darkness, not light. "
Amos 5:18
 
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That Israel has already been restored to their homeland ought to be proof enough in and of itself that God’s promises to His people have not failed and are still in effect and a good thing that they are too because if God’s promises to the Jews are canceled out, how can we be so sure that the same thing won’t happen to us?
A small number of people who call themselves Jewish have established a State in a small area of the holy Land. This is the fulfilment of the fig tree budding. Matthew 24:32 They are there in apostasy and are against Christianity. In no way are they the people God will allow to remain there.

Soon to come is the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, which will clear and cleanse the entire Middle East area. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, 2 Peter 3:7, +
THEN a new nation will be established there, consisting of only faithful Christians. Isaiah 62:1-5
THAT is our destiny and our great privilege!
 
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Also, I am always stunned and dismayed when Christians use scripture to justify the mistreatment of the Palestinians, and look at events like the embassy being moved or Golan Heights with joy and exultaion...even preachers from the pulpit.
God is nothing if not just, compassionate, fair...
God is also a God of retribution and vengeance, He will repay.
And very soon He will do just that! His enemies, those who hate Him and who occupy the Land He gave to the Patriarchs, will be uprooted. Jeremiah 12:14, +

It simply isn't humanly possible to resolve the situation in the Middle East. Iran WILL attack Israel and that is the moment that the Lord will send fire to destroy them all.

Psalms 94:1-7 God of vengeance – show Yourself! Rise now and judge the earth, repay the arrogant as they deserve. Lord, how long will the wicked exult and tread down Your chosen Land? They murder and carry out terror attacks, saying: The Lord does not see, their God pays no heed. Nahum 1:1-6

Psalms 94:8-11 Take heed yourselves, you most stupid of people; you fools, do you think that the Maker of all things cannot see or hear? Will He, who controls the destiny of nations, not correct them?
The Instructor of mankind has all knowledge, He knows that the thoughts of everyone are but puffs of wind.

Psalms 94:12-15 Happy is the one whom the Lord instructs, those who receive His Law. They will be rescued from trouble, while the godless fall into a pit of their own making. The Lord will not abandon His people or forsake His chosen Land, for justice and righteousness will again come together and all who love the Lord will experience it.


Psalms 94:16-19 Who is on the Lord’s side against the godless? Who will stand up for Him against evildoers?
I nearly made the mistake of not trusting the Lord, but He helped me in my time of trouble , He held me up and His comfort brought me joy.

Psalms 94:20-23 If justice is perverted and mischief is contrived under the cover of the law, that condemns the innocent – then you must not agree with it.

The Lord will repay the wicked for their injustice, He will destroy them for their misdeeds.
The Lord is my Rock, in whom I trust, He will give me refuge.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged,

This is how it is now: The wicked exult and tread down the Lord’s chosen Land, they murder and carry out terror attacks. Psalms 10:1-6, Psalms 83:2-3

The prayer of the righteous people: Rise now and judge the earth; God of vengeance, repay the wicked for their injustice, destroy them for their misdeeds. Jeremiah 9:25-26, Zephaniah 1:14-18

The Lord’s reply: The Lord will not abandon His people or forsake His chosen Land. He, who controls the destiny of the nations will judge those who disobey Him. The godless will fall into a pit of their own making. Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 15, Habakkuk 3:14

Our response: The Lord is my Rock, in whom I trust, He will give me refuge. Isaiah 30:15, John 14:1

His promise: The Lord keeps us safe in the time of trouble. All those who love Him will experience justice and righteousness in the Land.
 
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A small number of people who call themselves Jewish have established a State in a small area of the holy Land. This is the fulfilment of the fig tree budding. Matthew 24:32 They are there in apostasy and are against Christianity. In no way are they the people God will allow to remain there.

Soon to come is the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, which will clear and cleanse the entire Middle East area. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, 2 Peter 3:7, +
THEN a new nation will be established there, consisting of only faithful Christians. Isaiah 62:1-5
THAT is our destiny and our great privilege!
I don't know that you want to "go there" with me on this, but I see things written...some of which you cite...as both written down as history and to give the reader a prophetic spiritual message which you believe you are understanding; I disagree with your understanding.
The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord in my view is Judgement Day...the Last Day. You see it, I believe anyway, quite differently. God is not going to wipe out the entire Middle East as you claim, not in my view and in the view of many others. He will call us all to Judgement. Judgement is never pleasant until and if you are pronounced innocent/saved! It is both a Great day due to notability as actually the greatest day (on the current earth)...one we all prepare for our entire lives and it is the final day of our tribulation, a day that the Lord says we can greet sweetly as the day our salvation has arrived! It is a terrible day as well in that all our sins will be exposed and those whom have a legitimate claim to faith in Christ will escape damnation; those whom have none will be thrown into the lake of fire...damnation is their fate...and a new heaven and new earth will appear.
I believe what I see of your work here is a mixing of the historical facts with the spiritual.
 
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The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord in my view is Judgement Day...the Last Day.
There have been several 'Days of the Lord. when He has taken action on the earth and there will be several more.
The next one we can expect, will be the Sixth Seal; a clearly described event, when the Lord will unleash His vengeance and wrath to destroy His enemies, those who hate Him and reject Jesus.
A few years after that the Great Day of Almighty God, Revelation 16:14, will be the glorious Day that Jesus will Return, then 1000 years later, God will sit on His Great White Throne in the Day of Judgement on everyone who have ever lived.

Your forum name is; throughfierytrial.
Very appropriate, as we must all face the testing of our faith, as 1 Peter 4:12 says.
As prophesied in Revelation 6:12-17 and in over 100 other Bible scriptures.
 
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God is also a God of retribution and vengeance, He will repay.
And very soon He will do just that! His enemies, those who hate Him and who occupy the Land He gave to the Patriarchs, will be uprooted. Jeremiah 12:14, +

It simply isn't humanly possible to resolve the situation in the Middle East. Iran WILL attack Israel and that is the moment that the Lord will send fire to destroy them all.

Psalms 94:1-7 God of vengeance – show Yourself! Rise now and judge the earth, repay the arrogant as they deserve. Lord, how long will the wicked exult and tread down Your chosen Land? They murder and carry out terror attacks, saying: The Lord does not see, their God pays no heed. Nahum 1:1-6

Psalms 94:8-11 Take heed yourselves, you most stupid of people; you fools, do you think that the Maker of all things cannot see or hear? Will He, who controls the destiny of nations, not correct them?
The Instructor of mankind has all knowledge, He knows that the thoughts of everyone are but puffs of wind.


Psalms 94:12-15 Happy is the one whom the Lord instructs, those who receive His Law. They will be rescued from trouble, while the godless fall into a pit of their own making. The Lord will not abandon His people or forsake His chosen Land, for justice and righteousness will again come together and all who love the Lord will experience it.


Psalms 94:16-19 Who is on the Lord’s side against the godless? Who will stand up for Him against evildoers?
I nearly made the mistake of not trusting the Lord, but He helped me in my time of trouble , He held me up and His comfort brought me joy
.

Psalms 94:20-23 If justice is perverted and mischief is contrived under the cover of the law, that condemns the innocent – then you must not agree with it.

The Lord will repay the wicked for their injustice, He will destroy them for their misdeeds.
The Lord is my Rock, in whom I trust, He will give me refuge.

Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged,

This is how it is now: The wicked exult and tread down the Lord’s chosen Land, they murder and carry out terror attacks. Psalms 10:1-6, Psalms 83:2-3

The prayer of the righteous people: Rise now and judge the earth; God of vengeance, repay the wicked for their injustice, destroy them for their misdeeds. Jeremiah 9:25-26, Zephaniah 1:14-18

The Lord’s reply: The Lord will not abandon His people or forsake His chosen Land. He, who controls the destiny of the nations will judge those who disobey Him. The godless will fall into a pit of their own making. Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 15, Habakkuk 3:14

Our response: The Lord is my Rock, in whom I trust, He will give me refuge. Isaiah 30:15, John 14:1

His promise: The Lord keeps us safe in the time of trouble. All those who love Him will experience justice and righteousness in the Land.
Israel is not righteous in regard to their treatment of the Palestinians, nor is the U.S. who arms them.
And you can take any scripture and twist it to make it suit your argument, but it is clear, God hates oppresion.
 
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Israel is not righteous in regard to their treatment of the Palestinians, nor is the U.S. who arms them.
And you can take any scripture and twist it to make it suit your argument, but it is clear, God hates oppresion.
The entire problem being that the muslims built the mosque and dome on the holy site of the Jews - as a strategy of Islam - of whenever it conquers a land.
 
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The entire problem being that the muslims built the mosque and dome on the holy site of the Jews - as a strategy of Islam - of whenever it conquers a land.
There is a great film I got from the library called "Islam," when the U.S. first attacked Iraq, because I wanted to understand why some of them hated us. There is plenty of sin to go around.
 
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I think it is providentially fulfilled as a common sense part of this prophecy. But not in any of those OT prophecies about returning to the land that I can think of.


Romans 11:25For I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you may not be wise in yourselves: A hardening in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles may come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it has been written:
The fullness of the gentiles coming in is specifically referring to when enough gentiles are saved. When their influence becomes prominent in the world. (Did not begin to happen until the age of the four gentile empires ended in 1453 AD and the Bible began to get into the hands of the general public immediately afterwords.)
Israel as per the context of Romans 9-11 are believers both Jew and gentile.


28For as regards the gospel, they are enemies on account of you; but as regards election, beloved on account of the patriarchs. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy by the disobedience of these, 31so these also now have been disobedient for your mercy, so that they also now may have mercy shown them. 32For God has bound up all in disobedience, that He may show mercy to all.

And this is exactly how it panned out. The Jewish people are favored and shown mercy by Bible reading peoples who's influnce dominates the western world. (Supposed to dominate that is.) And what better way to show the Jewish people mercy than top let them return to the land of their ancestors? To establish a modern state where they can protect themselves from the animosity Satan perpetually has for them for bringing God's Word into the world.
 
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The covenant God made with Abraham is unconditional. It shall be fulfilled during the tribulation. All Christians are Abraham's seed (plural). Abraham's seed (singular) is Christ. Through the singular seed, all the nations shall be blessed (plural).

There is no such thing as an unconditional covenant. All covenants have principles by which they operate, and one of them is oaths/sanctions, that is, if you keep the oaths you have made by which you entered the covenant, you will receive blessing. If you do not, you receive curse.

The covenant model we are given in the Bible is that of relationship. It is symbolized in both OT and NT as marriage between God and mankind. In particular, God called national Israel his spouse in the OT (Hosea). When a spouse kills the other spouse, the relationship (covenant) ends. It is over. Finished. Done.

That is what national Israel did to their spouse and that is why there is now no covenant nor responsibility between God and Israel.

Your other points are quite good and true.
 
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The promise of the restoration of the nation of Israel is found in the old covenant:

Deuteronomy 30:1-5 When all these things come upon you—the blessings and curses I have set before you—and you call them to mind in all the nations to which the LORD your God has banished you, and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey His voice with all your heart and all your soul according to everything I am giving you today, then He will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you from all the nations to which the LORD your God has scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the ends of the earth, He will gather you and return you from there. And the LORD your God will bring you into the land your fathers possessed, and you will take possession of it. He will cause you to prosper and multiply more than your fathers. The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and all your soul, so that you may live.

The Old testament prophecies of the restoration of the land of Israel are rooted in the clause of Deuteronomy 30:1-5. Several examples include:

Jeremiah 29:10-14 For thus says the Lord: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place. For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

Ezekiel 39:25-28 Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and will have compassion on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for My holy name. They will forget their disgrace and all the treachery they committed against Me, when they dwell securely in their land, with no one to frighten them. When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them out of the lands of their enemies, I will show My holiness in them in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, when I regather them to their own land, after exiling them among the nations, not leaving any of them behind

Amos 9:14-15 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

This was found fulfilled once under the old covenant, when those from the southern kingdom and northern kingdom returned to the land after the Babylonian exile.

Ezra 1:5 Then rose up the heads of the fathers’ houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and the Levites, everyone whose spirit God had stirred to go up to rebuild the house of the Lord that is in Jerusalem.

1 Chronicles 9:1-4 So all Israel was recorded in genealogies, and these are written in the Book of the Kings of Israel. And Judah was taken into exile in Babylon because of their breach of faith. Now the first to dwell again in their possessions in their cities were Israel, the priests, the Levites, and the temple servants. And some of the people of Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim, and Manasseh lived in Jerusalem: Uthai the son of Ammihud, son of Omri, son of Imri, son of Bani, from the sons of Perez the son of Judah

However, the old covenant ended and was superseded by the new covenant through the blood of Christ.


Hebrews 10:9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second

Hebrews 9:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Additionally, the old covenant was only a shadow that was meant to point to Christ, and not the true reality.

Hebrews 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities,

colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.


The old covenant is no longer in effect, as it was superseded by the new covenant. Thus, the promises of restoration to the land are no longer a valid.

an Earthly example to help understand:
I was single and created a will in which my best friend would inherit my estate in the event of my death. However, I later married and changed that will so that my wife, and not my friend, would inherit my estate in the event of my death. The new will cancels the old will, and thus my best friend would not inherit my estate.


So is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

I think Jesus gives a clue in the parable of the prodigal son when he tells the obedient ( but disgruntled ) son ....Son , everything I own has always been yours .....I do not believe in a holy land . I believe that God our Father owns everything ....and in the new heaven and new earth , the part ( old covenant boundaries) will be swallowed up by the whole ( all that the Father owns ) thus fulfilling His promise via the old covenant while establishing a new and better covenant . Isaiah and many of the old prophecies forecast an Apocalypse prior to a restoration . Peter alluded to the same as did everyone who said " Save yourself from the wrath that is to come . "
Why are Christians encouraging the fighting over the "holy land " when even the elements will be burned and the heavens rolled up like a scroll ? It does not agree with our understanding of a New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven . We need to read Isaiah
 
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I think Jesus gives a clue in the parable of the prodigal son when he tells the obedient ( but disgruntled ) son ....Son , everything I own has always been yours .....I do not believe in a holy land . I believe that God our Father owns everything ....and in the new heaven and new earth , the part ( old covenant boundaries) will be swallowed up by the whole ( all that the Father owns ) thus fulfilling His promise via the old covenant while establishing a new and better covenant . Isaiah and many of the old prophecies forecast an Apocalypse prior to a restoration . Peter alluded to the same as did everyone who said " Save yourself from the wrath that is to come . "
Why are Christians encouraging the fighting over the "holy land " when even the elements will be burned and the heavens rolled up like a scroll ? It does not agree with our understanding of a New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven . We need to read Isaiah
No Isaiah does not prophesy the apocalypse and a physical city coming down from heaven.
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"There is no such thing as an unconditional covenant. All covenants have principles by which they operate, and one of them is oaths/sanctions, that is, if you keep the oaths you have made by which you entered the covenant, you will receive blessing. If you do not, you receive curse."

You are describing the Old Covenant not the Abrahamic Covenant. You need to do your Bible homework. Only God walked through the halved animal sacrifices, not Abraham, to complete the covenant.

Promises to fulfill were based upon God doing those things. The blessing was the promised Holy Spirit (Gal 3; Rom 4). The one Seed for bringing the righteousness of God to a person who believes the Promise in the person of the Lord Jesus, the Promised Messiah & the Promised Prophet & the Promised King is the Lord Jesus Christ who gives salvation as a gift. It is not of ourselves, of works, so that no one can boast before God. We all come to God on the same playing field.

"The covenant model we are given in the Bible is that of relationship. It is symbolized in both OT and NT as marriage between God and mankind. In particular, God called national Israel his spouse in the OT (Hosea). When a spouse kills the other spouse, the relationship (covenant) ends. It is over. Finished. Done. That is what national Israel did to their spouse and that is why there is now no covenant nor responsibility between God & Israel."

This again shows an extreme interpretation--that of God's marriage with Israel. Israel did NOT KILL THEIR SPOUSE! How do I know that? Because God is their spouse & God is not dead, despite what Friedrich Nietzsche said. Do you realize what you just said?

Perhaps you may have forgotten that God doesn't lie; He keeps His promises. Perhaps you haven't read the WHOLE book of Hosea or read through the context of Romans, chapters 9 through 11.

After his adulterous wife Gomer, left Hosea, Hosea went back into the slave market where she was being sold as a slave prostitute, redeemed her with a purchase price & took her back. This is a PICTURE of God doing the same with Israel, who played the harlot like Gomer. It was a living picture of God not abandoning his wife when she was in the slave market (of sin) but paying the ransom & redemption price through the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Even though God said He gave her a certificate of divorce to put her away, yet He did not marry another but brought reconciliation, just like God showed in Hosea & elsewhere & God also says it in the NT about two believing spouses.

If they divorce, they cannot remarry & the hope is reconciliation once again. If they marry again against God's prohibition, that amounts to adultery & God is NOT an adulterer in His relationship with Israel!

God is NOT done with Israel as a nation because He promised in His vows to Abraham, Isaac & Jacob & David, etc.; the patriarchs the fathers of Israel that the specified geographical land in the middle east IS THE LAND OF ISRAEL. And in the future God would gather all the diaspora of Israelites & promised to return them to the land in the latter days, after the time of the Gentiles is nearing its end.

You might want to read ALL the multitude of Scripture passages of the prophets in the OT about God regathering the twelve tribes back into the promised geographical land that God measured out for the nation of Israel.

And I strongly recommend you read the whole context of Romans 9 through 11 to see God's purposes for THE nation of Israel & the rest of the nations (goyim, Gentiles).

Romans 11:1-6,11-13,25-32 I ask then, did God reject His people? CERTAINLY NOT! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject His people, whom He foreknew. DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS about Elijah, how he appealed to God against Israel: “Lord, they have killed Your prophets & torn down Your altars. I am the only one left, & they are seeking my life as well?"

4And what was the Divine reply to him? “I have reserved for Myself 7000 men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if it is by grace, then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.

I ask then, did they stumble so as to LOSE THEIR SHARE? CERTAINLY NOT! However, because of their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel jealous. But if their trespass means riches for the world & their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will THEIR FULNESS bring! I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, in the hope that I may provoke my own people to jealousy & save some of them.


For if you were cut from a WILD olive tree & CONTRARY TO NATURE were grafted into one that is cultivated, how much more readily will these, the NATURAL, be grafted into THEIR OWN OLIVE TREE!

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The DELIVERER will come from Zion; He WILL REMOVE GODLESSNESS from Jacob. And this is MY COVENANT WITH THEM WHEN I WILL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding ELECTION, they are LOVED ON ACCOUNT OF THE PATRIARCHS! For God’s GIFTS AND HIS CALL ARE IRREVOCABLE (UNREPENTABLE, CAN NEVER BE WITHDRAWN).

30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. For God has consigned all men to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all.

God will not change His mind concerning the promises made to the patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac & Jacob in His covenant with Abraham. His election of them & the gifts promised in that Abrahamic covenant can never be withdrawn.

That is why the disciples asked Jesus just before His ascension to the Father:

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” So when the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel & restore the kingdom to Israel?” Jesus said to them, "The times & occasions are set by my Father's own authority & it is not for you to know WHEN they will be.

We are seeing the WHEN right now in our lifetimes, nearing the end of the times of the Gentiles.

Luke 21:24 They will be killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles UNTIL the period of the Gentiles comes to an end.

Rom 9:1-5, I speak THE TRUTH in Christ; I am NOT lying, as confirmed by my conscience in the Holy Spirit. I have deep sorrow & unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed & cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my own flesh and blood, THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. Theirs is the ADOPTION AS SONS; theirs the divine glory & THE COVENANTS {PLURAL}; theirs the giving of the law, the temple worship & THE PROMISES {PLURAL}. THEIRS ARE THE PATRIARCHS & from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

Rom 11:29 I do NOT WANT YOU TO BE IGNORANT OF THIS MYSTERY, BRETHREN, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening IN PART has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

Israel is once again a gathered nation, placed in THEIR OWN LAND. When Christ returns, He will return TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL, to Jerusalem & will restore the kingdom then to Israel, judge the nations & Christ will then reign there in Jerusalem for 1000 years in the predicted Millennial KINGDOM IN ISRAEL. All the prophets & the apostles spoke of this, as well as Christ did many times.

Luke 20:9 Then He proceeded to tell the people this parable: “A man planted a vineyard, rented it out to some tenants & THEN WENT AWAY FOR A LONG TIME. AT HARVEST TIME, he sent a servant to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit of the vineyard...

Matt 13:37-39 "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world & the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one & the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is THE END OF THE AGE & the reapers are angels.
 
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There have been several 'Days of the Lord. when He has taken action on the earth and there will be several more.
The next one we can expect, will be the Sixth Seal; a clearly described event, when the Lord will unleash His vengeance and wrath to destroy His enemies, those who hate Him and reject Jesus.
A few years after that the Great Day of Almighty God, Revelation 16:14, will be the glorious Day that Jesus will Return, then 1000 years later, God will sit on His Great White Throne in the Day of Judgement on everyone who have ever lived.

Your forum name is; throughfierytrial.
Very appropriate, as we must all face the testing of our faith, as 1 Peter 4:12 says.
As prophesied in Revelation 6:12-17 and in over 100 other Bible scriptures.
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You are describing the Old Covenant not the Abrahamic Covenant. You need to do your Bible homework. Only God walked through the halved animal sacrifices, not Abraham, to complete the covenant.

Wrong again. If that were true, then there was no further need for Abram to be circumcised and do his part in the covenant. You have no idea - none - about how a covenant works.

Promises to fulfill were based upon God doing those things. The blessing was the promised Holy Spirit (Gal 3; Rom 4). The one Seed for bringing the righteousness of God to a person who believes the Promise in the person of the Lord Jesus, the Promised Messiah & the Promised Prophet & the Promised King is the Lord Jesus Christ who gives salvation as a gift. It is not of ourselves, of works, so that no one can boast before God. We all come to God on the same playing field.

You are making a habit of being wrong, aren't you? Let's take the most common analogy of the Scriptures regarding God's relationship to us - marriage - and apply that to the Covenant of God. If I simply walk up to a woman, having filled out all the paperwork with her name and say "We are married. Get in the car." would that legitimately be a marriage? No. It would be more akin to rape.

The Covenant of God is made between Jesus and God for the restoration of the human race. He alone did that and no other man could do that. Through Him, all mankind is now saved (Romans 5: 18-19) That part is unbreakable because as the Great High Priest in the heavenlies, He offers a permanent Yom Kippur in His Blood.

However, in order to access those benefits for ourselves and avoid the chastisement of God for covenant unfaithfulness, we must respond to Jesus and offer ourselves to Him

This again shows an extreme interpretation--that of God's marriage with Israel. Israel did NOT KILL THEIR SPOUSE! How do I know that? Because God is their spouse & God is not dead, despite what Friedrich Nietzsche said. Do you realize what you just said?

So far you are batting zero. They killed their Messiah. God came in the Flesh and died in the Flesh, murdered by the Jews. If Christ, who is God, did not die, then we have no salvation at all.

Perhaps you may have forgotten that God doesn't lie; He keeps His promises. Perhaps you haven't read the WHOLE book of Hosea or read through the context of Romans, chapters 9 through 11.

After his adulterous wife Gomer, left Hosea, Hosea went back into the slave market where she was being sold as a slave prostitute, redeemed her with a purchase price & took her back. This is a PICTURE of God doing the same with Israel, who played the harlot like Gomer. It was a living picture of God not abandoning his wife when she was in the slave market (of sin) but paying the ransom & redemption price through the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Your Premillennial Dispensationalism is hanging out for all to see. The Jews are finished (Matthew 21: 33-46). Jesus told them this parable to warn them that they would be destroyed for killing the Son of the owner of the vineyard.

You bring up Romans. Fine. Let's talk about Romans, especially 9:6, where Paul makes what sounds like a very crazy statement, until you parse it out. He says "Not all Israel is Israel? Huh????? What could that mean?

Here is the exact wording from the KJV. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

How are you not Israel if you are Israel? Simple. The title or name Israel does not mean the Hebrew nation. It means God's people. Now let's redo that verse and it makes perfect sense

For they are not all God's people, which are of national Israel:

In other words, just being a Hebrew didn't mean you were of God's people. And in the New Covenant, God's people are a combine Gentile/Jew Church, a congregation of believers. As such, the promises apply to them, as Paul taught.

Even though God said He gave her a certificate of divorce to put her away, yet He did not marry another but brought reconciliation, just like God showed in Hosea & elsewhere & God also says it in the NT about two believing spouses.

If they divorce, they cannot remarry & the hope is reconciliation once again. If they marry again against God's prohibition, that amounts to adultery & God is NOT an adulterer in His relationship with Israel!

God is NOT done with Israel as a nation because He promised in His vows to Abraham

The vows to Abraham now belong to the New Covenant Church NOT national Israel. Matthew 21: 33-46 makes it clear that national Israel has been tossed from the vineyard and those who were the evil husbandmen were destroyed (Destruction of Jerusalem, AD 70). There is not one single hint of their restoration in that parable. None. You are reading into the text with presuppositional lenses and ignoring yards of other scriptures which show that national Israel is finished.
 
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I meant to say I will get "back" to you, that is!
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It is evident that soon, there will be two separate ‘Days of the Lord’ in which the Lord acts to punish His enemies. The Sixth Seal, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, is the next prophesied event that we can expect, of a worldwide judgement/punishment by fire from the sun, which will clear and cleanse His Land. Most clearly described in Isaiah 63:1-6 and Habakkuk 3:12 ‘Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations.’ But the Lord is not seen: Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11

Then, several years later, at the Return of Jesus, is the Sixth and Seventh Bowl fulfilment, the great Day of the Sovereign Lord, when He disposes of the armies of the Anti Christ.
Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5

Revelation 22:6-21 These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, who inspires the prophets has shown His servants what must soon take place. Remember, Jesus is coming soon! Happy is the person who takes to heart the words of prophecy. Meanwhile, let the evildoers persist in their evil, but let the godly persevere in their goodness and the holy in their holiness. Happy are those who wash their robes with righteousness! They shall be free to eat from the tree of life and may enter the City by the gates. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
 
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You are describing the Old Covenant not the Abrahamic Covenant. You need to do your Bible homework. Only God walked through the halved animal sacrifices, not Abraham, to complete the covenant.

Promises to fulfill were based upon God doing those things. The blessing was the promised Holy Spirit (Gal 3; Rom 4). The one Seed for bringing the righteousness of God to a person who believes the Promise in the person of the Lord Jesus, the Promised Messiah & the Promised Prophet & the Promised King is the Lord Jesus Christ who gives salvation as a gift. It is not of ourselves, of works, so that no one can boast before God. We all come to God on the same playing field.



This again shows an extreme interpretation--that of God's marriage with Israel. Israel did NOT KILL THEIR SPOUSE! How do I know that? Because God is their spouse & God is not dead, despite what Friedrich Nietzsche said. Do you realize what you just said?

Perhaps you may have forgotten that God doesn't lie; He keeps His promises. Perhaps you haven't read the WHOLE book of Hosea or read through the context of Romans, chapters 9 through 11.

After his adulterous wife Gomer, left Hosea, Hosea went back into the slave market where she was being sold as a slave prostitute, redeemed her with a purchase price & took her back. This is a PICTURE of God doing the same with Israel, who played the harlot like Gomer. It was a living picture of God not abandoning his wife when she was in the slave market (of sin) but paying the ransom & redemption price through the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Even though God said He gave her a certificate of divorce to put her away, yet He did not marry another but brought reconciliation, just like God showed in Hosea & elsewhere & God also says it in the NT about two believing spouses.

If they divorce, they cannot remarry & the hope is reconciliation once again. If they marry again against God's prohibition, that amounts to adultery & God is NOT an adulterer in His relationship with Israel!

God is NOT done with Israel as a nation because He promised in His vows to Abraham, Isaac & Jacob & David, etc.; the patriarchs the fathers of Israel that the specified geographical land in the middle east IS THE LAND OF ISRAEL. And in the future God would gather all the diaspora of Israelites & promised to return them to the land in the latter days, after the time of the Gentiles is nearing its end.

You might want to read ALL the multitude of Scripture passages of the prophets in the OT about God regathering the twelve tribes back into the promised geographical land that God measured out for the nation of Israel.

And I strongly recommend you read the whole context of Romans 9 through 11 to see God's purposes for THE nation of Israel & the rest of the nations (goyim, Gentiles).

Romans 11:1-6,11-13,25-32 I ask then, did God reject His people? CERTAINLY NOT! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject His people, whom He foreknew. DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS about Elijah, how he appealed to God against Israel: “Lord, they have killed Your prophets & torn down Your altars. I am the only one left, & they are seeking my life as well?"

4And what was the Divine reply to him? “I have reserved for Myself 7000 men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if it is by grace, then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.

I ask then, did they stumble so as to LOSE THEIR SHARE? CERTAINLY NOT! However, because of their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel jealous. But if their trespass means riches for the world & their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will THEIR FULNESS bring! I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, in the hope that I may provoke my own people to jealousy & save some of them.


For if you were cut from a WILD olive tree & CONTRARY TO NATURE were grafted into one that is cultivated, how much more readily will these, the NATURAL, be grafted into THEIR OWN OLIVE TREE!

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The DELIVERER will come from Zion; He WILL REMOVE GODLESSNESS from Jacob. And this is MY COVENANT WITH THEM WHEN I WILL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding ELECTION, they are LOVED ON ACCOUNT OF THE PATRIARCHS! For God’s GIFTS AND HIS CALL ARE IRREVOCABLE (UNREPENTABLE, CAN NEVER BE WITHDRAWN).

30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. For God has consigned all men to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all.

God will not change His mind concerning the promises made to the patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac & Jacob in His covenant with Abraham. His election of them & the gifts promised in that Abrahamic covenant can never be withdrawn.

That is why the disciples asked Jesus just before His ascension to the Father:

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” So when the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel & restore the kingdom to Israel?” Jesus said to them, "The times & occasions are set by my Father's own authority & it is not for you to know WHEN they will be.

We are seeing the WHEN right now in our lifetimes, nearing the end of the times of the Gentiles.

Luke 21:24 They will be killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles UNTIL the period of the Gentiles comes to an end.

Rom 9:1-5, I speak THE TRUTH in Christ; I am NOT lying, as confirmed by my conscience in the Holy Spirit. I have deep sorrow & unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed & cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my own flesh and blood, THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. Theirs is the ADOPTION AS SONS; theirs the divine glory & THE COVENANTS {PLURAL}; theirs the giving of the law, the temple worship & THE PROMISES {PLURAL}. THEIRS ARE THE PATRIARCHS & from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

Rom 11:29 I do NOT WANT YOU TO BE IGNORANT OF THIS MYSTERY, BRETHREN, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening IN PART has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

Israel is once again a gathered nation, placed in THEIR OWN LAND. When Christ returns, He will return TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL, to Jerusalem & will restore the kingdom then to Israel, judge the nations & Christ will then reign there in Jerusalem for 1000 years in the predicted Millennial KINGDOM IN ISRAEL. All the prophets & the apostles spoke of this, as well as Christ did many times.

Luke 20:9 Then He proceeded to tell the people this parable: “A man planted a vineyard, rented it out to some tenants & THEN WENT AWAY FOR A LONG TIME. AT HARVEST TIME, he sent a servant to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit of the vineyard...

Matt 13:37-39 "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world & the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one & the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is THE END OF THE AGE & the reapers are angels.

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled in Christ and those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

And His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...make us who are in Christ joint heirs with Him.

But notice:
There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile, who is not in Christ.
 
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So is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?


I believe it is. My thoughts on the issue were greatly influenced by reading an Eastern Orthodox bishop named Kallistos Ware. I can't find the exact article that I'm refering to, but did find a good one that fits the topic by the author. (Orthodoxy largely agrees with supercessionism). Bishop Ware in the missing article (or interview) made an insightful admission that I will get into later.


My previous opinion was that Israel, assuming that it believes in Jesus is just part of the Ecclesia called out ones, AKA the Church. They have some special honors for being "the native Olive Tree" that saint Paul talks about, but not much beyond that.


Anyway in this one fore mention writing on Israel, Bishop Ware actually mentions how not all the promises God made to Israel have been fulfilled. And that got me to thinking, because the only promise on that issue that I can think was the land God gave to Abraham which is quite a bit larger than what they have now. Even at the heights of Solomon's Kingdom Israel did not quite possess all the territory that God promised Abraham. But this is a very serious issue, because you can show Covenant wise that promises that were made before the Mosaic Covenant are more powerful, aka not Dispensational. Typologies like the priesthood of Melchizedek are a good example of that.


Besides that the Bishop had similar things to say I believe on Replacement Theology etc. I'm not big on that term because it means many things to different people and many people read ordinary Christian traditional theology in those terms, but there are some times when it is accurate. And some Christians do try to deny Israel and the Jews their unique inheritance. And it is easy to make such a case for that inheritance in the New Testament. Paul himself longed to see his nation restored. The parable of the fig tree is one about Israel and I would argue not just for the times of Christ but for the time we live in as well. God created many things like the stars and constellations that show the time and the seasons we live in. But I would argue that Israel also is one of those things. Also near the end of the book of Revelation Jesus says "Behold I make all things new". I would argue that Israel is one example of that. (God is in the process of resorting her and will bring her to Faith in the near future)


Is the Orthodox Church “Supersessionist”?


PS - I will note that the promise of land cannot just be to "Spiritual Israel" the gentiles who believe in Christ. Because that would actually gimp the promise. There are also are so complicated reasons why not going back to the book of Genesis where after the Tower of Babel, God give the nations over to the Sons of God to be shepherded and he took the future semitic people that would become Israel as his personal domain (The Jew and Gentile distinctions also are ancient categories and not purely Dispensational). And then you get into the issue of qasi-Gnosticism where you cannot always spiritualize everything, some things are specific, literal and not abstract.
 
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A small number of people who call themselves Jewish have established a State in a small area of the holy Land. This is the fulfilment of the fig tree budding. Matthew 24:32 They are there in apostasy and are against Christianity. In no way are they the people God will allow to remain there.

Soon to come is the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, which will clear and cleanse the entire Middle East area. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, 2 Peter 3:7, +
THEN a new nation will be established there, consisting of only faithful Christians. Isaiah 62:1-5
THAT is our destiny and our great privilege!


That Israel will go through what is called, “The time of Jacob’s trouble” which is more commonly called the tribulation during which will purge His people of those among them who are wicked cannot be denied, but you have shown complete disregard for Romans chapter 11:


“Hath God cast off his people? God forbid.” (Rom. 11:1)

“There is also a remnant according to the election of grace (Rom. 11:5)

“Have they stumbled so that they should fall? God forbid but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?...If the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be but life from the dead? (Rom. 11:11-12, 15)

“Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou barest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt, say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not high minded, but fear; For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Rom. 11:18-21)

“…if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Rom. 11:23)

“And so all Israel shall be saved.” (Rom. 11:26)



They may be blind and still remain in unbelief, but they will not always. Despite their unbelief, they are still called the children of the promise and counted for the seed of Abraham (Rom. 9:8) keeping the Abrahamic covenant in effect.
 
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