Joe Biden vows to protect billionaires

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During a fundraising event at the Upper East Side Carlyle Hotel, Biden explained to a room of New York’s financial elite that he had “got in trouble” with some people on his team for being too friendly to Wall Street, but that this wouldn’t change his approach because “you guys are great”.

He then assured them that any tax increases to increase his legislative goals would barely be noticeable.

Biden Tells Billionaires: “Nothing Would Change” if He Wins Presidency
 

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During a fundraising event at the Upper East Side Carlyle Hotel, Biden explained to a room of New York’s financial elite that he had “got in trouble” with some people on his team for being too friendly to Wall Street, but that this wouldn’t change his approach because “you guys are great”.

He then assured them that any tax increases to increase his legislative goals would barely be noticeable.

Biden Tells Billionaires: “Nothing Would Change” if He Wins Presidency
Well, yeah, Biden is a moderate, not a far left-wing progressive.
 
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Good! Everyone knows the almighty job creators are the most important people in our society.

No no no, it’s the government from cradle to grave who is the great provider. Creating jobs so people can get out of poverty? You gotta be kidding, who would want that???
 
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No no no, it’s the government from cradle to grave who is the great provider. Creating jobs so people can get out of poverty? You gotta be kidding, who would want that???
Democrats, mostly. Republicans want crappy jobs so they don't have to pay more than poverty wages.
 
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AOC also said, a few days ago, that she has no intention of taking the wealth of the richest people, so long as they pay a fair wage to their workers. And the rest of her time, she is saying we should become a Socialist nation. :doh:
By which she means a Scandinavian-style social democracy, which still relies on the private sector to create jobs.
 
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At the rate he is going, no primary voter will have any idea where he actually does stand. Maybe he doesn't either.
Really? Has he said things that contradict each other this early on already?
I'm not paying too close attention to him now. Do you have any examples?
 
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AOC also said, a few days ago, that she has no intention of taking the wealth of the richest people, so long as they pay a fair wage to their workers. And the rest of her time, she is saying we should become a Socialist nation. :doh:

A little out of the loop here but find it highly unlikely anyone is suggesting in plain terms their intentions or desire for the US to become socialist.

Can you please provide sources?

Or do you consider universal healthcare or something like that to be socialist?
 
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A little out of the loop here but find it highly unlikely anyone is suggesting in plain terms their intentions or desire for the US to become socialist.

Can you please provide sources?

Or do you consider universal healthcare or something like that to be socialist?
"Socialism" is any system of government which gives any of the hard-earned tax dollars of conservatives to lazy poor people.
 
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"Socialism" is any system of government which gives any of the hard-earned tax dollars of conservatives to lazy poor people....By which she means a Scandinavian-style social democracy

That's the usual line, I recognize. In AOCs case, though, I am going by what she has actually said and advocated...which is quite a bit different from that scenario.
 
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Really? Has he said things that contradict each other this early on already? I'm not paying too close attention to him now.

Yes. You must truly not have been paying close attention, because his flip flops are becoming the talk of the newsroom set now. He has changed his stance on abortions, on Congressional investigations, and several other hot topics just recently.
 
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He then assured them that any tax increases to increase his legislative goals would barely be noticeable.

Biden could increase their taxes dramatically and they wouldn't notice. They would complain bitterly but when you are a billionaire then almost nothing would affect your life style. You can only water ski behind one yacht at a time.
 
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"Socialism" is any system of government which gives any of the hard-earned tax dollars of conservatives to lazy poor people.


The political right, particularly in the U.S.A., displays a great suspicion of 'big government' and of various social programs, like welfare and medicare. These conservatives accuse their political opponents on the left of liberalism, or even worse of socialism, as if either were evil. They also frequently use the rhetoric of the Christian right to justify their opposition to these policies. I will try to address two issues which I think important --- government and charity.

Firstly, government today is a very different thing than government in biblical times. At the time of Jesus, and for a long time both before and after, government was vested for the most part in the hands of a single person, or at most a family, and decision making was autocratic and dictatorial. Greece did experiment with the idea of democracy and Rome experimented with the concept of republicanism but for most of history the average person had no participation in government. There was no possibility of the government paying any attention at all to the needs of the common people since they existed solely to meet the needs of the king.

Secondly, conservatives will frequently point out that the charitable acts so strongly encouraged in the bible on behalf of the poor and marginalized are acts that are both private and free will. And yet, these biblical injunctions are addressed corporately not individually. The words are being spoken or written to assemblages of people be they nations, crowds or churches.

Both then and today, in the western democratic democratic tradition, most people have very little problem with governments making decisions or establishing programs on their behalf. Such programs are education, military defence, infrastructure, civil law, criminal law, trade regulations and the like. These government actions are funded by taxation on all people regardless of whether the individuals involved approve of these actions or not. There are those who oppose government actions like public education, military spending (including war) and even some laws like the criminalizing of drug use or the legalization of abortion. I can see no compelling reason whatsoever why a government cannot act corporately to establish a 'social safety net'. Such a safety net is actually a form of insurance.

As an example I will use my own experience in the Canadian system of universal medicare. Since the age of 21 in 1964 I have paid a 'tax' based on my income to support that system. For most of those years I had no need of medical insurance at all except for periodic check ups. However I have funded through my medicare insurance the birth of two daughters. I have also had ten operations, three extended hospital stays and numerous procedures and tests. I have not had to pay a doctor or a hospital a cent for any of this and I have recieved the finest in medical care. Compare this to the U.S.A. where it is said that 75% of the population lives just three months away from total financial ruin in the event of catastrophic illness or accident and consequent loss of income. I do not begrudge at all any of those medicare insurance taxes paid, or that my tax rate is higher than in the U.S.A., or that a portion of my taxes might have been used to pay for an operation for a bag lady or a disabled person unable to work. I think that this exactly what Jesus would have us do in this modern context.

I also think that the political right has set up a "straw man" image of both liberals and socialists. As a liberal I have been castigated by people who suggest that I would rather lay around idle and collect welfare or unemployment insurance. In my entire life I have never once collected on either program but I have also been glad that those programs were in existence both for my own possible need but also the very real problems of friends and relatives who were in real need. There will always exist those who will attempt to exploit the system --- any system. There are the poor who are welfare bums and the rich who are corporate welfare bums. Both need to be weeded out.
 
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Yes. You must truly not have been paying close attention, because his flip flops are becoming the talk of the newsroom set now. He has changed his stance on abortions, on Congressional investigations, and several other hot topics just recently.

Not unusual for someone running for president, to start flipping and flopping all over the place.

They all do it and trump had his sharenas well.
 
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