Is science good?

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Third option: There are no gods. This is the most parsimonious explanation given all the different beliefs about gods, people's inability to show any sort of actual evidence for such beings and what we actually observe about how reality works and what is happening in the world.
Atheism is a religion too, no?

The option that: 'There are no gods' doesn't easily turn into a parsimonious 'scientific explanation' without the objective test which would lead to that conclusion .. (but folk are free to adopt that belief if they choose to I suppose).
 
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Translation:
'Science treats untestable beliefs with respect .. by handling them with indifference .. so I'll fill in that void by demonising it'.
Nothing is untestable about God. Science cannot do so because it set up it's own little off center rules and method that religiously avoid Him!
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'I use only my personal perceptions of offensiveness, to make the distinction between 'lies' and 'honesty' .. even when offensiveness is not evident'.

God clued us in actually, we have no need for pretentious sinners writing the rules.

Translation:
'I need others to have personal opinions in order to categorize them as as 'haters' and 'dishonest' .. even when opinions aren't evident.'

We all have opinions, some happen to oppose God violently and others happen to be cool.
 
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Third option: There are no gods. This is the most parsimonious explanation given all the different beliefs about gods, people's inability to show any sort of actual evidence for such beings and what we actually observe about how reality works and what is happening in the world.

We actually don't need an explanation for spirits as they are almost universally known through time immemorial. I am seeing a trend here that atheists all think science is good, and nominal bible believers of course in the cheer lead role also. Any exceptions to that seeming trend care to speak up? Ha
 
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Looking at the sciences that deal in where life and the universe came from, I would have to say NO. Looking at actual science in general, and what it gave mankind, there is a lot of good that we have gotten from science. Weighing the bad though, on a scale along with the good, I am leaning toward thinking that since the bad outweighs the good, and endangers humanity, the answer also might be no!

Have a weigh in.....

Nature is a martyr...science is the scythe...
 
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Looking at the sciences that deal in where life and the universe came from, I would have to say NO. Looking at actual science in general, and what it gave mankind, there is a lot of good that we have gotten from science. Weighing the bad though, on a scale along with the good, I am leaning toward thinking that since the bad outweighs the good, and endangers humanity, the answer also might be no!

Have a weigh in.....

I challenge you to go a day without using anything that science developed.
 
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I didn't even see this before making my previous posting in this thread:

Truth be told believers are in training as royalty to rule the planet and more forever. The illegal aliens who reject Jesus will be extradited to hell in a handbasket.

Please keep your Royalist nonsense and Dominionism north of the the border. We don't need it down here in the secular American republic. Our religious and non-religious people have just fine without either.

No state religion for 230 years and no royalty for 243 years. Let's keep it that way America!

(On topic: Science is good!)
 
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I challenge you to go a day without using anything that science developed.
I can go all my life without ever using something origin sciences gave us. As for actual science, not sure you realize this world would cease to exist if not for His people. We are the only reason it is allowed to continue. His people have permission to use what they need in the world. That does not mean it is all great and good. It just means that is how it is.
 
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I didn't even see this before making my previous posting in this thread:



Please keep your Royalist nonsense and Dominionism north of the the border.
?? Border? The coming forever kingdom is all the world. Only believers will be allowed on the planet.

We don't need it down here in the secular American republic. Our religious and non-religious people have just fine without either.
Americans tend to think the world revolves around them. My opinion is that the more secular your nation becomes, the closer it moves to it's doomsday.
No state religion for 230 years and no royalty for 243 years.
False. Christians are Royalty! Always were.
Let's keep it that way America!

(On topic: Science is good!)
OK, so another atheist weighs in that science is good.
 
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The fact you wouldn't be able to insult it through this medium without it, it's a rather odd argument.
The medium of the net has no connection to origin science. It is actual science. The OP talked about weighing the good with the bad.
 
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Sounds like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...
Yes quite similar. I think the greatest knowledge on earth and most important is the knowledge of God, so we can be saved. Science does not have that at all in all it's storehouses. Not a drop. So it seems there is not a whole lot of knowledge of good there! No wonder the world is in a mess with science front and center.

Now when we hear some folks here pontificating about 'ethics' without God in science, basically they only have the bad to choose from for any ethics..so called. More like 'deathics'! The deathics of science!
 
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I can go all my life without ever using something origin sciences gave us. As for actual science, not sure you realize this world would cease to exist if not for His people. We are the only reason it is allowed to continue. His people have permission to use what they need in the world. That does not mean it is all great and good. It just means that is how it is.

So bad science is the science that disagrees with your preconceived ideas. You can't actually point out any errors in it, all you can do is claim it's satanic and evil. And when asked for evidence to support your counterclaims, all you can do is say, "You can't prove I'm wrong!"
 
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Yes quite similar. I think the greatest knowledge on earth and most important is the knowledge of God, so we can be saved. Science does not have that at all in all it's storehouses. Not a drop. So it seems there is not a whole lot of knowledge of good there! No wonder the world is in a mess with science front and center.
It's not Science front and center ... it's people front and center.

Recall that you believe that God brought the flood upon a very technically primitive world.
 
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It's not Science front and center ...
Science acts as a convincing character witness against the Bible.

While lying about being neutral, when called upon to do so, it will use its own terminology to override the Bible's terminology to convince the judicial system to rule against God and His children.

The Scope's Monkey Trial, Roe v Wade, and the persecution of Judge Moore all couldn't have occurred without science coming to the aid of the Devil.
 
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Science acts as a convincing character witness against the Bible.

While lying about being neutral, when called upon to do so, it will use its own terminology to override the Bible's terminology to convince the judicial system to rule against God and His children.

The Scope's Monkey Trial, Roe v Wade, and the persecution of Judge Moore all couldn't have occurred without science coming to the aid of the Devil.
Your view is clouded ... and narrow. Mankind doesn't need Science to deny God. Recall that that started at the beginning of the world.

I don't think that you'll find even one instance of the resistance to God which is portrayed in the Bible ... in any way aided and abetted by Science.

Neither Egypt, nor Babylon, nor Assyria, nor Rome, nor the Jewish leadership od Jesus' day ... were, in any way motivated by Science ... in their resistance /opposition to God. Nor was Science motivational in the great conflicts and atrocities of our day (i.e. the World Wars, the Holocaust, Stalin's purges, Mao's revolution, etc.).

OTOH, Influenza outbreaks, the Black Plague, cholera, Malaria, Smallpox, Polio, etc. killed significant portions of the human population ... UNTIL modern Science brought an end to most of these horrors.

Also, recognize that even Christians use the products of Science in their promulgation of Christianity ... television, radio, the printing press, etc. ...
 
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Your view is clouded.
I disagree.
A_Thinker said:
Mankind doesn't need Science to deny God.
But when mankind is ready to deny God, science is there to assist him in his defense of his decision.
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Recall that that started at the beginning of the world.
Eve appealed to her empirical senses to override her obedience to God's command.
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I don't think that you'll find even one instance of the resistance to God which is portrayed in the Bible ... in any way aided and abetted by Science ...

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

"And when academians saw that Darwin's tree was convincing for evolution, and that it could be mapped out in a connect-the-dots format that was pleasant to the eyes, and a course to be desired to make themselves [Homo] sapiens, they did take of that course, and did give also to the Christians with them, and they did follow suit also."
 
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Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
That's not Science ... that's self-gratification.

You're spinning ...

Neither Egypt, nor Babylon, nor Assyria, nor Rome, nor the Jewish leadership od Jesus' day ... were, in any way motivated by Science ... in their resistance /opposition to God. Nor was Science motivational in the great conflicts and atrocities of our day (i.e. the World Wars, the Holocaust, Stalin's purges, Mao's revolution, etc.).

OTOH, Influenza outbreaks, the Black Plague, cholera, Malaria, Smallpox, Polio, etc. killed significant portions of the human population ... UNTIL modern Science brought an end to most of these horrors.

Also, recognize that even Christians use the products of Science in their promulgation of Christianity ... television, radio, the printing press, etc. ...
 
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