Earth Almost 7,000 Years Old, Not 6,000

ewq1938 said:

4941 BC to Ad 30 is 4,971 years I believe. Then we add 2,019 years but subtract the 30 years of Christ=1989

So, 4,971 + 1989 = 6.960 years

Did you know that places us right now to be living in the "Sabbath", the 7th day?



0-1000 day 1
1000-2000 day 2
2000-3000 day 3
3000-4000 day 4
4000-5000 day 5
5000-6000 day 6
6000-7000 day 7

We are here between 6000 and 7000! The 7th day is almost over!

So we are not about to enter the 7th day but the 7th day is happening now. This 7000 year plan with the last 1000 years being the Millennium is simply wrong mathematically.

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Exactly... the Millennial Kingdom is a time of rest and renewal... this isn't exactly rest and renewal. If we count from Adam, we are right at about 6000 years right now. If there were people before then... the bible doesn't say so I don't go there (personally).

Just wanted to say "CONTINUALLY be shown to be false prophets," <---this is not a truth. Well are they prophets? Lets look at prophet. 1st.. as one said to the other prophet "when did the spirit leave me to you?" FALSE.. they were called false not because they were always wrong. For so many times they were right .. being spot on. They were called false for as God said "I didnt talk to them".

As for how old the earth is? Could be 6000 or billions.. mattes not to me.. no really. I look up.. looking for that one coming in the clouds.. THEN I will ask lol

Minky said:

4941 BC: Creation of light, the sky, dry land, vegetation, the planets, the sun, the moon, the stars, sea creatures, and birds
4940 BC: Creation of man
3953 BC: Enoch taken away
3284 BC: The flood
3200 BC: Mesopotamia, Aegean Civilization, and Indus Valley Civilization emerge
3150 BC: Ancient Egypt emerges
2748 BC: Tower of Babel
2686–2181 BC: Age of the Pyramids
2600 BC: Kesh Temple Hymn, Instructions of Shuruppak
2400 BC: Pyramid Texts, Palermo Stone, Barton Cylinder, Code of Urukagina
2350 BC: The Maxims of Ptahhotep
2270 BC: Enheduanna's Hymns
2100 BC: Curse of Akkad, Epic of Gilgamesh, Ziggurat of Ur
2070 BC: Ancient China emerges
2052–1877 BC: Abraham
2050 BC: Code of Ur-Nammu
2000 BC: Sumerian King List, Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta
1977 BC: The call of Abram
1952–1772 BC: Isaac
1892–1745 BC: Jacob
1859–1840 BC: The Eloquent Peasant, Story of Sinuhe
1806–1669 BC: Levi
1762 BC: Jacob goes to Egypt
1650–1547 BC: Hyksos in Egypt
1650 BC: Ipuwer Papyrus
1627–1507 BC: Moses
1600 BC: Eridu Genesis, Code of the Nesilim
1550 BC: Book of the Dead
1547 BC: Exodus
1507 BC: Pentateuch
1507 BC: Israelites cross Jordan River into Canaan
1507–1500 BC: Joshua judges during conquest of Canaan
1500 BC: Poor Man of Nippur, Dynasty of Dunnum
1400 BC: Olmec Civilization (Mesoamerica) emerges
1050–1010 BC: Saul reigns
1010–970 BC: David reigns
970–930 BC: Solomon reigns
967–960 BC: Solomon's Temple built
930 BC: Division of the United Monarchy
870–842 BC: Elijah
609 BC: Battle of Megiddo
588–586 BC: Siege of Jerusalem
539 BC: Battle of Opis
538–516 BC: Second Temple built
500–300 BC: Hinduism/Buddhism emerges
458 BC: Artaxerxes' letter to Ezra
409 BC: Jerusalem restored & rebuilt
332 BC: Siege of Tyre
301 BC: Battle of Ipsus
198 BC: Battle of Panium
167–160 BC: Maccabean Revolt
63 BC: Siege of Jerusalem
5 BC–AD 30: Jesus Christ

AD 2060 will be the 7,000th year since creation!

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I think you’re forgetting a few years in there... That whole “dinosaur” and “Ice Age” thing leaps immediately to mind...

Lost4words said:

If its on youtube then it must be true!

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Hi lost4words,

No. I would never make the claim, or understand videos on youtube in that way. I actually saw the first evidence of this new thinking about the Egyptian chronology on a Netflix documentary. However, youtube is a lot easier to share that information than referring someone, who may not have Netflix available to them, to watch a Netflix program.

I understand your desire to shoot down all my comments and I applaud your efforts.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Lost4words said:

God can do ANYTHING. Outside and inside of time.

He can put things down in a very simple to understand way as can be seen in scripture. The Bible, is not a science book. God gave us science to help explain the wonders of nature etc.

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Hi again lost4words,

I'm just curious, did you learn why God gave us science through the instructions of the Scriptures, or is that rather the thinking of your own mind? I've read the Scriptures through several times and somehow I can't recall chapter and verse where God tells us that He gave us science for some particular reason. Science, as I understand it, came about because of man's desire to know more about the world around him. There is no Scriptural instruction for us to know more about the world.

Just as the tree in the garden was set in the garden by God, did He give it to us so that we would study it and come to understand it and sin?

The practice of science has nothing to do with God. It is merely man's desire to find answers to questions. Now, whether those answers are correct or not falls squarely on man's abilities to understand what it is that he's studying through the scientific method, which was not created by God, but created by man.

I'm always amused, when people will say that 'God gave us science and therefore it is good', then see a woman getting an abortion for which God also seemingly gave us the knowledge and ability to go into a woman's womb and destroy her fetus, and call that bad. Is it at all possible that there is bad science? That we use the things that God gave us in ways that God isn't particularly interested in us using those things that way. Did God want Eve to eat of the fruit? He put it there! Right in front of her eyes. Surely He must have wanted her to eat it because He put it there for her.

BTW, should I assume that you're never going to answer any of my questions to you? Just curious. If you'd respond to that question in the affirmative, then I'll stop asking.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

dqhall said:

Whole grains may have been planted in Mesopotamia as early as 10,000 years ago.
Before this the ancient peoples may have foraged for wild grains as hunter-gatherers.
domestication | National Geographic Society

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Adam was cast out of Paradise, in Eden, where he had been taken to be the king of earth and God's gardener.
Adam went from managing God's lush Garden to tilling the earth and growing his grains by the sweat of his brow.
He had to deal with weeding it, since disorder cursed the earth to grown thorns and thistles in his carefully planted rows.
His son, Abel, was a shepherd, a sheep farmer.
If you check the Word of God, you'll see Paradise, God's planted Garden, is in the third heaven. So our father, Adam, brought farming abilities with him when he was cast down from Paradise, and Kept from going back, in his defiled earth vessel/body.

The history Book, the "Book of the Upright/Jasher" has the chronology set down from creation to the time of Joshua going into Egypt.
In it, all the gaps are laid out perfectly. It completely correlates with Genesis to Joshua.
The Real Book of Jasher?

Minky said:

4941 BC: Creation of light, the sky, dry land, vegetation, the planets, the sun, the moon, the stars, sea creatures, and birds
4940 BC: Creation of man
3953 BC: Enoch taken away
3284 BC: The flood
3200 BC: Mesopotamia, Aegean Civilization, and Indus Valley Civilization emerge
3150 BC: Ancient Egypt emerges
2748 BC: Tower of Babel
2686–2181 BC: Age of the Pyramids
2600 BC: Kesh Temple Hymn, Instructions of Shuruppak
2400 BC: Pyramid Texts, Palermo Stone, Barton Cylinder, Code of Urukagina
2350 BC: The Maxims of Ptahhotep
2270 BC: Enheduanna's Hymns
2100 BC: Curse of Akkad, Epic of Gilgamesh, Ziggurat of Ur
2070 BC: Ancient China emerges
2052–1877 BC: Abraham
2050 BC: Code of Ur-Nammu
2000 BC: Sumerian King List, Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta
1977 BC: The call of Abram
1952–1772 BC: Isaac
1892–1745 BC: Jacob
1859–1840 BC: The Eloquent Peasant, Story of Sinuhe
1806–1669 BC: Levi
1762 BC: Jacob goes to Egypt
1650–1547 BC: Hyksos in Egypt
1650 BC: Ipuwer Papyrus
1627–1507 BC: Moses
1600 BC: Eridu Genesis, Code of the Nesilim
1550 BC: Book of the Dead
1547 BC: Exodus
1507 BC: Pentateuch
1507 BC: Israelites cross Jordan River into Canaan
1507–1500 BC: Joshua judges during conquest of Canaan
1500 BC: Poor Man of Nippur, Dynasty of Dunnum
1400 BC: Olmec Civilization (Mesoamerica) emerges
1050–1010 BC: Saul reigns
1010–970 BC: David reigns
970–930 BC: Solomon reigns
967–960 BC: Solomon's Temple built
930 BC: Division of the United Monarchy
870–842 BC: Elijah
609 BC: Battle of Megiddo
588–586 BC: Siege of Jerusalem
539 BC: Battle of Opis
538–516 BC: Second Temple built
500–300 BC: Hinduism/Buddhism emerges
458 BC: Artaxerxes' letter to Ezra
409 BC: Jerusalem restored & rebuilt
332 BC: Siege of Tyre
301 BC: Battle of Ipsus
198 BC: Battle of Panium
167–160 BC: Maccabean Revolt
63 BC: Siege of Jerusalem
5 BC–AD 30: Jesus Christ

AD 2060 will be the 7,000th year since creation!

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miamited said:

Hi again lost4words,

I'm just curious, did you learn why God gave us science through the instructions of the Scriptures, or is that rather the thinking of your own mind? I've read the Scriptures through several times and somehow I can't recall chapter and verse where God tells us that He gave us science for some particular reason. Science, as I understand it, came about because of man's desire to know more about the world around him. There is no Scriptural instruction for us to know more about the world.

Just as the tree in the garden was set in the garden by God, did He give it to us so that we would study it and come to understand it and sin?

The practice of science has nothing to do with God. It is merely man's desire to find answers to questions. Now, whether those answers are correct or not falls squarely on man's abilities to understand what it is that he's studying through the scientific method, which was not created by God, but created by man.

I'm always amused, when people will say that 'God gave us science and therefore it is good', then see a woman getting an abortion for which God also seemingly gave us the knowledge and ability to go into a woman's womb and destroy her fetus, and call that bad. Is it at all possible that there is bad science? That we use the things that God gave us in ways that God isn't particularly interested in us using those things that way. Did God want Eve to eat of the fruit? He put it there! Right in front of her eyes. Surely He must have wanted her to eat it because He put it there for her.

BTW, should I assume that you're never going to answer any of my questions to you? Just curious. If you'd respond to that question in the affirmative, then I'll stop asking.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

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No idea which question you on about.

Its plainly obvious you dismiss scientific evidence for how old the earth is. Its plainly obvious you misinterpret scripture. Its plainly obvious you 'read into' scripture what 'you' want out of it.

My dear friend, you cant treat the Bible as a science book.

God must be shaking His head in disbelief about the people who believe in a young earth, a flat earth when 'reality' shows us these to be totally false and unscientific beliefs!

Scripture is there for our spiritual growth. To teach us about God and salvation. It's not there to be 'used' and 'twisted' to 'try' and claim what is totally fictitious and untrue.

May God bless you my friend and bring you to the 'Real' truth that the earth is indeed extremely old and ancient.

Hi lost4words,

Thanks for your reply. You wrote:

Lost4words said:

No idea which question you on about.

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It was 'questions' and not 'question'.

miamited said:

How about you offer your explanation for my shadow question? How about you explain the science behind a woman who has never had sexual relations having a child? How about you explain the science that proves that water can stand like a wall on both the right hand and the left hand of a person walking through it? How about an easy one? Write for me, or share a link, that shows how science has proven that water can be turned into wine in a mere moment in time without the addition of any yeast or grape juice to the water?

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No, science has not proven any such thing as the age of the creation. What science has theorized, is that light travels at a given speed. If we assume that to be a constant that not even God can alter, then the creation would be x number of years old based on our ability to see distant stars in the night sky. But that assumption that not even God can alter the natural properties of light, is why I asked for your explanation that a shadow cast on a flight of stairs can go backwards instead of its natural progression of forwards? Even the king, for whom God was using the shadow to prove Himself, knew that it was a simple task for the light to go forward. All you had to do was wait.

Friend, everything that science 'proves' about the distant past is 'proven' with the base assumption that God doesn't have the power to alter the natural properties that normally run in the creation. Or, maybe He does, but He wouldn't. I think, based on the evidences of the many, many miracles that God does show us in the Scriptures, that such an assumption is highly questionable at best.

So, please understand, think this through, all of the scientific proofs that are offered about things that science cannot replicate, are based on that very speculative assumption. Even the things that science can prove to you in the here and now, if God wants to alter that 'proven property', He can do it!

Anyway, now that I've repeated the questions for you, I'm looking forward to your responses. I'm hoping that 30 posts from now you're not back asking me what questions I'm going on about.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Minky said:

4941 BC: Creation of light, the sky, dry land, vegetation, the planets, the sun, the moon, the stars, sea creatures, and birds
4940 BC: Creation of man
3953 BC: Enoch taken away
3284 BC: The flood
3200 BC: Mesopotamia, Aegean Civilization, and Indus Valley Civilization emerge
3150 BC: Ancient Egypt emerges
2748 BC: Tower of Babel
2686–2181 BC: Age of the Pyramids
2600 BC: Kesh Temple Hymn, Instructions of Shuruppak
2400 BC: Pyramid Texts, Palermo Stone, Barton Cylinder, Code of Urukagina
2350 BC: The Maxims of Ptahhotep
2270 BC: Enheduanna's Hymns
2100 BC: Curse of Akkad, Epic of Gilgamesh, Ziggurat of Ur
2070 BC: Ancient China emerges
2052–1877 BC: Abraham
2050 BC: Code of Ur-Nammu
2000 BC: Sumerian King List, Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta
1977 BC: The call of Abram
1952–1772 BC: Isaac
1892–1745 BC: Jacob
1859–1840 BC: The Eloquent Peasant, Story of Sinuhe
1806–1669 BC: Levi
1762 BC: Jacob goes to Egypt
1650–1547 BC: Hyksos in Egypt
1650 BC: Ipuwer Papyrus
1627–1507 BC: Moses
1600 BC: Eridu Genesis, Code of the Nesilim
1550 BC: Book of the Dead
1547 BC: Exodus
1507 BC: Pentateuch
1507 BC: Israelites cross Jordan River into Canaan
1507–1500 BC: Joshua judges during conquest of Canaan
1500 BC: Poor Man of Nippur, Dynasty of Dunnum
1400 BC: Olmec Civilization (Mesoamerica) emerges
1050–1010 BC: Saul reigns
1010–970 BC: David reigns
970–930 BC: Solomon reigns
967–960 BC: Solomon's Temple built
930 BC: Division of the United Monarchy
870–842 BC: Elijah
609 BC: Battle of Megiddo
588–586 BC: Siege of Jerusalem
539 BC: Battle of Opis
538–516 BC: Second Temple built
500–300 BC: Hinduism/Buddhism emerges
458 BC: Artaxerxes' letter to Ezra
409 BC: Jerusalem restored & rebuilt
332 BC: Siege of Tyre
301 BC: Battle of Ipsus
198 BC: Battle of Panium
167–160 BC: Maccabean Revolt
63 BC: Siege of Jerusalem
5 BC–AD 30: Jesus Christ

AD 2060 will be the 7,000th year since creation!

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Maybe a bit more over 8000. Seems the Rabbi’s who wrote the Masoratic text at the end of the first century removed over a thousand years in the genealogies because they were embarrassed by them. As well as altering some of the verses about the messiah. There are historical records of Christians complaining that this group of Rabbies altering OT text. The Septuagint has the unaltered texts but then the Dead Sea scrolls put the final nail in the coffin on the subject. Yes they absolutely altered the text.

Turns out the unaltered Biblical timeline fits perfectly with Egyptian archeology which has always been a sticking point between the secularists and Unger’s timeline.

Don’t have the links with me that talk of this. I’m at work on my lunch break. If someone is interested in them let me know and I’ll link them after work.

miamited said:

Hi lost4words,

Thanks for your reply. You wrote:


It was 'questions' and not 'question'.



No, science has not proven any such thing as the age of the creation. What science has theorized, is that light travels at a given speed. If we assume that to be a constant that not even God can alter, then the creation would be x number of years old based on our ability to see distant stars in the night sky. But that assumption that not even God can alter the natural properties of light, is why I asked for your explanation that a shadow cast on a flight of stairs can go backwards instead of its natural progression of forwards? Even the king, for whom God was using the shadow to prove Himself, knew that it was a simple task for the light to go forward. All you had to do was wait.

Friend, everything that science 'proves' about the distant past is 'proven' with the base assumption that God doesn't have the power to alter the natural properties that normally run in the creation. Or, maybe He does, but He wouldn't. I think, based on the evidences of the many, many miracles that God does show us in the Scriptures, that such an assumption is highly questionable at best.

So, please understand, think this through, all of the scientific proofs that are offered about things that science cannot replicate, are based on that very speculative assumption. Even the things that science can prove to you in the here and now, if God wants to alter that 'proven property', He can do it!

Anyway, now that I've repeated the questions for you, I'm looking forward to your responses. I'm hoping that 30 posts from now you're not back asking me what questions I'm going on about.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

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No idea what you asking friend. God can do anything. He created the earth etc. He laid down the rules. No idea what you are on about regarding the 'shadow'.

What about the dinosaurs? I guess you are saying God planted them in the ground and aged them by millions of years?

Septuagint does not have translation from “original” Hebrew manuscripts.
All the original manuscripts were destroyed at the time the temple was burned.
Many manuscript copies went with Jews who went to Cush/Ethiopia before that, which copies they kept, and reproduced, and kept in their “canon” after they received the Gospel in the first century (which books include the real book of Enoch, the 7th fromAdam).
Ezra/Esdras the priest, with a crew of sanctified priests, rewrote the entire collection of books deemed sacred (Bible) in, I think, 40 days. At the time they returned to Jerusalem. They kept back many of them from the public at that time, as Esdras/Ezra writes.

As to time lines, they are all given in the Real Book of
Jasher, and those timelines correlate perfectly with the history of the patriarchs, which Moses redacted for the Genesis through Deuteronomy records.
But anyone can do the timelines themselves from the OT, by diligent search, for ages of the Patriarchs at times of the events in their lives.
Shem, Nimrod, Noah, and Abraham knew each other. Abraham lived with Noah and Shem for 39 years, from age 10, until the Tower of Babel was destroyed, at which time God not only divided the mother tongue into 70, but He cut short the lives of Adamkind, and broke up the one major continent and thereby scattered the 70 tribes over the earth. Eber prophetically named his two sons “cut short/Yoktan”, and “break/divide/Peleg”.
Nimrod outlived Abraham. Nimrod was called “Am Rapha El” after the tower fell, because in him the people fell (at the tower).
Shem outlived Abraham.
Noah died when Abraham was 58 years old.

Shem was Melche Tzedek”, the priest of the Most High God, and king of righteousness , which means he was the blessed patriarchal father in the line from Adam and thus the “firstborn” title was his, which office was given to him by Noah. Shem passed that blessing to Abraham, who passed it to Isaac, and then to Jacob, and then ....down to Moses, who served as high priest and high king/firstborn. Moses baptized Aaron into the office of high priest, but not the office of High King...
Aaron’s descendant, John the Baptist, passed it to Jesus Christ at the “baptism of Righteousness”, and the Holy Spirit descended to anoint Him at that time. He is the “Firstborn”, the everliving Father who is High Priest and High King of Earth, who ransomed his dead in spirit, (Adam) brother’s seed and also ransomed the lost kingdom back by the Atoning blood, which kingdom Adam sold into sin and death at the fall.

Daniel Martinovich said:

Maybe a bit more over 8000. Seems the Rabbi’s who wrote the Masoratic text at the end of the first century removed over a thousand years in the genealogies because they were embarrassed by them. As well as altering some of the verses about the messiah. There are historical records of Christians complaining that this group of Rabbies altering OT text. The Septuagint has the unaltered texts but then the Dead Sea scrolls put the final nail in the coffin on the subject. Yes they absolutely altered the text.

Turns out the unaltered Biblical timeline fits perfectly with Egyptian archeology which has always been a sticking point between the secularists and Unger’s timeline.

Don’t have the links with me that talk of this. I’m at work on my lunch break. If someone is interested in them let me know and I’ll link them after work.

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yeshuasavedme said:

Septuagint does not have translation from “original” Hebrew manuscripts.
All the original manuscripts were destroyed at the time the temple was burned.
Many manuscript copies went with Jews who went to Cush/Ethiopia before that, which copies they kept, and reproduced, and kept in their “canon” after they received the Gospel in the first century (which books include the real book of Enoch, the 7th fromAdam).
Ezra/Esdras the priest, with a crew of sanctified priests, rewrote the entire collection of books deemed sacred (Bible) in, I think, 40 days. At the time they returned to Jerusalem. They kept back many of them from the public at that time, as Esdras/Ezra writes.

As to time lines, they are all given in the Real Book of
Jasher, and those timelines correlate perfectly with the history of the patriarchs, which Moses redacted for the Genesis through Deuteronomy records.
But anyone can do the timelines themselves from the OT, by diligent search, for ages of the Patriarchs at times of the events in their lives.
Shem, Nimrod, Noah, and Abraham knew each other. Abraham lived with Noah and Shem for 39 years, from age 10, until the Tower of Babel was destroyed, at which time God not only divided the mother tongue into 70, but He cut short the lives of Adamkind, and broke up the one major continent and thereby scattered the 70 tribes over the earth. Eber prophetically named his two sons “cut short/Yoktan”, and “break/divide/Peleg”.
Nimrod outlived Abraham. Nimrod was called “Am Rapha El” after the tower fell, because in him the people fell (at the tower).
Shem outlived Abraham.
Noah died when Abraham was 58 years old.

Shem was Melche Tzedek”, the priest of the Most High God, and king of righteousness , which means he was the blessed patriarchal father in the line from Adam and thus the “firstborn” title was his, which office was given to him by Noah. Shem passed that blessing to Abraham, who passed it to Isaac, and then to Jacob, and then ....down to Moses, who served as high priest and high king/firstborn. Moses baptized Aaron into the office of high priest, but not the office of High King...
Aaron’s descendant, John the Baptist, passed it to Jesus Christ at the “baptism of Righteousness”, and the Holy Spirit descended to anoint Him at that time. He is the “Firstborn”, the everliving Father who is High Priest and High King of Earth, who ransomed his dead in spirit, (Adam) brother’s seed and also ransomed the lost kingdom back by the Atoning blood, which kingdom Adam sold into sin and death at the fall.

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The King James was translated from the Masoretic Text. The oldest one they had at the time was the 9th century AD. It was altered. The Septuagint and the Dead Sea scrolls verify that. ( Not to speak of the NT verifying it was altered.)

JEROME translated the Latin Vulgate in late 300's AD. Used Hebrew.

Lost4words said:

No idea what you asking friend. God can do anything. He created the earth etc. He laid down the rules. No idea what you are on about regarding the 'shadow'.

What about the dinosaurs? I guess you are saying God planted them in the ground and aged them by millions of years?

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Noah’s flood planted them in the ground. It’s pure faith not science that says they are millions of years old.

Daniel Martinovich said:

Noah’s flood planted them in the ground. It’s pure faith not science that says they are millions of years old.

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Faith and science. Yes. We agree, they are millions of years old.

People take many parts of the Bible absolutely 'Literally' when it shouldnt be taken that way.

Same as Revelation with all the weird beasts etc. Its not meant to be taken LITERALLY.

6k earth.