Parkland shooting survivor says Harvard rescinded his admission over racial slurs made 2 years ago

RenegadeLegion · Jun 19, 2019

What a shame. /s

SummerMadness · Jun 19, 2019

rambot said:
Good point.

I was made aware of the horrible things I said came out to the public. It's hilarious in its whole construction.

"I was made aware of my previous writings where I called for the killing of Jews and used racial slurs repeatedly." Maybe he was in a catatonic during the whole ordeal. He should probably blame it on cold medication.

iluvatar5150 · Jun 19, 2019

Sistrin said:
What did Kashuv actually say two years ago? Can anyone answer that question?

He wrote the n-word. A lot.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e-sense/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4485b4fc686a

The actual screenshots are easily found through google, but I'm not going to link them here.

mina · Jun 19, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
He wrote the n-word. A lot.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e-sense/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4485b4fc686a

The actual screenshots are easily found through google, but I'm not going to link them here.

From the article: in 2017, Harvard rescinded the admission of 10 students over similarly obscene facebook messages.

iluvatar5150 · Jun 19, 2019

mina said:
From the article: in 2017, Harvard rescinded the admission of 10 students over similarly obscene facebook messages.

Yep, but they weren't right-wing darlings whose rejection could be used to fuel the right-wing persecution complex.

SummerMadness · Jun 19, 2019

This is just another case of entitled people believing there should be no consequences for their actions. They think a fake apology should be enough, that it should be a mere hiccup. At the same time, they demand harsh treatment for others, including toddlers; then it becomes, "They should have known better," or, "Their parents are at fault for not teaching them properly."

In this case, he knew better, but he only escalated to full contrition when he realized his admission was in jeopardy. But he still has many options, I'm sure Liberty University will take him.

Sistrin · Jun 19, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
He wrote the n-word. A lot.

You link an article which contains a link to an article which contains a link to an article displaying twitter post made by someone named Shialee Grooman. Fantastic documentation.

However every article cited or linked or sub-linked is crafted in the same format, an attack on the organization Turning Point USA because Trump. Standard leftist fare.

SummerMadness · Jun 19, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
He wrote the n-word. A lot.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e-sense/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4485b4fc686a

The actual screenshots are easily found through google, but I'm not going to link them here.

Why should anyone link anything? If he didn't write any of it, he would said so. He knows what he wrote, that's why he's apologizing. Anyone else demanding otherwise is simply looking for a justifiable angle: "Unless you post the racist remarks here (in violation of this forum's rules), I will argue that there is no racism!"

iluvatar5150 · Jun 19, 2019

My Job Is to Help Kids Who Screwed Up. I Think Harvard Made the Right Call on Kyle Kashuv.

Kashuv is not alone in viewing Harvard’s decision as a judgment against the possibility of redemption. Ben Shapiro, David Brooks, and Reason’s Robby Soave have all made the same point in recent days. But these people have it backward. Kashuv has a shot at redemption because Harvard revoked his acceptance. Consequences and redemption are not in tension. In fact, they go hand in hand.

To argue that we should not be judged for what we do in our teens is to argue that we shouldn’t have selective college admissions at all—a defensible position, but not one that any of these commentators hold. Past performance is the only tool we have to predict future performance. If, instead of using the N-word with his classmates in AP U.S. History, Kashuv had mouthed off to the teacher and gotten an F, he would never have gotten into Harvard in the first place, no matter how much he’d learned and changed since then. To have a chance of getting into Harvard as a freshman, you have to show that you used your last four years better than the competition used theirs. We now see that Kashuv did not use his time as well as the competition, so he can’t go to Harvard.

But Harvard is not saying who is or isn’t capable of change. It is saying that Kashuv hasn’t earned his redemption yet. If there’s any hope that he can become a better man, it will be through a path where he pays the inherent cost of his actions. If you act like a racist jerk, then the best organizations won’t want you around. Kashuv casting himself as the victim of an unforgiving and hypocritical society serves as sad proof that the growth he claims to have experienced hasn’t happened yet.

iluvatar5150 · Jun 19, 2019

Sistrin said:
You link an article which contains a link to an article which contains a link to an article displaying twitter post made by someone named Shialee Grooman. Fantastic documentation.

No, there are several direct quotes in there, but hey, don't bother acknowledging those.

Either way, are your google fingers broken? Try this:

https://www.google.com/search?ei=DYQKXe3RM5G15gLkhbGoDA&q=kyle+kashuv+racist+comments+screenshot+site:huffpost.com&oq=kyle+kashuv+racist+comments+screenshot+site:huffpost.com&gs_l=psy-ab.3...166000.168566..168862...0.0..0.142.1135.16j2......0....1..gws-wiz.......33i299.d2Xh0ANiUUM

ETA: Now I see that the above HuffPo link is the very first link in the WaPo link I provided earlier and that your mischaracterization of the WaPo piece is even worse than I'd realized. :oldthumbsup:

SummerMadness said:
Why should anyone link anything? If he didn't write any of it, he would said so. He knows what he wrote, that's why he's apologizing. Anyone else demanding otherwise is simply looking for a justifiable angle: "Unless you post the racist remarks here (in violation of this forum's rules), I will argue that there is no racism!"

Why should I link anything? Because I was hoping to stave off what I (correctly) predicted was the inevitable attempt at minimizing what the kid said, though I, perhaps naively, didn't expect @Sistrin to blame "leftists" for this.

Sistrin · Jun 19, 2019

SummerMadness said:
Why should anyone link anything?

It is called evidence. But wow, what a hypocritical question. You constantly link articles claiming racism under every rock and expect all of us to just accept the claims seriatim, without question. Where did that get you on the Air Force Academy issue?

SummerMadness said:
If he didn't write any of it, he would said so. He knows what he wrote, that's why he's apologizing.

The issue is not so limited in scope. If you had bothered to read into the claims, the true target here is not this kid from Parkland. He is just a sacrifice, offered up to the sheep to provide them something else to bleat about. The true target is Turning Point USA and by extension President Trump.

As it always is.

SummerMadness said:
Anyone else demanding otherwise is simply looking for a justifiable angle: "Unless you post the racist remarks here (in violation of this forum's rules), I will argue that there is no racism!"

That isn't what I said, and your interpretation of my comments are false.

SummerMadness · Jun 19, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
Why should I link anything? Because I was hoping to stave off what I (correctly) predicted was the inevitable attempt at minimizing what the kid said, though I, perhaps naively, didn't expect @Sistrin to blame "leftists" for this.

I don't know, I think the usual suspects, are well... usual.

iluvatar5150 · Jun 19, 2019

Sistrin said:
The issue is not so limited in scope. If you had bothered to read into the claims, the true target here is not this kid from Parkland. He is just a sacrifice, offered up to the sheep to provide them something else to bleat about. The true target is Turning Point USA and by extension President Trump.

I gotta say, I didn't see the TPUSA persecution angle coming, either. I must not be paying enough attention lately.

grasping the after wind · Jun 19, 2019

PreviouslySeeking... said:
His life hasn't been ruined, he just doesn't get to go to his first choice school. I do feel that is appropriate. Actions have consequences. Every choice you make can open one door and close another.

He will still get a college education and no one will remember he was this kid in 4 years if he doesn't make a fool of himself again. That is also appropriate.

What the 2nd Chance crowd doesn't seem to get is his 2nd Chance will be admission at another university. Your 2nd Chance is never supposed to be to still get your wish come true after you blatantly choose to do wrong. This wasn't an accident or one time occurrence.

If only everyone were willing to admit that actions have consequences in more situations than just this one.

Sistrin · Jun 19, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
I must not be paying enough attention lately.

That is exactly correct.

iluvatar5150 · Jun 19, 2019

Sistrin said:
That is exactly correct.

If TPUSA, Trump, and the right writ-large are tired of being attacked as racists via proxy, maybe they should stop appointing racists to be their darlings.

PreviouslySeeking... · Jun 19, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
If only everyone were willing to admit that actions have consequences in more situations than just this one.

I don't see anyone suggesting otherwise. Just remember, actions have consequences for all involved.

rambot · Jun 19, 2019

Sistrin said:
You link an article which contains a link to an article which contains a link to an article displaying twitter post made by someone named Shialee Grooman. Fantastic documentation.

However every article cited or linked or sub-linked is crafted in the same format, an attack on the organization Turning Point USA because Trump. Standard leftist fare.

What kind of ridiculous argument are Trump supporters trying to make in this thread?
"You can't even say what he wrote". What?

HE is saying what he said was inappropriate. HE is apologizing for it. HE recognizes it was inappropriate to say.

Are you suggesting that he didn't say anything inappropriate? That he doesn't know what he says? That MAYBE there's some wiggle room and what he said, in your eyes wasn't racist? That someone brought something to his attention that he didn't say that he said he said even though you're suggesting that saying he didn't say it because "grablegrable leftists"

Is this some kind of Samuel Beckett scripts we're workshoping in this thread??

dzheremi · Jun 19, 2019

rambot said:
Is this some kind of Samuel Beckett scripts we're workshoping in this thread??

I'm sorry to drag things in this direction, but that would be amazing.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jun 19, 2019

Like most people have made mistakes. Is he now subject to community college. Or will they turn him down too. It seems like people think they can freely say bad things. But most get these punishments. When others get the highest jobs.

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