Evolution or descent with modification?

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Amen and no one can explain WHY the traits of modern Humans, first shown on Adam's Earth, suddenly appeared in Northern Mesopotamia 11k years ago.

What, specifically, are these traits? List them.

The historic evidence shows that the FIRST modern Humans (descendants of Adam) brought Human civilization to this planet of innocent Apes. This evidence refutes the false ToE.

The evidence shows that behaviourally modern humans (as opposed to anatimoically modern humans) emerged about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago, in Africa, the Middle East, Southeastern Europe, Central/North America and Australasia.

This evidence refutes the false ToE.

Even if humans were magically transported to earth by a God from another plane of existence 11,000 years ago, nothing about that would falsify the Theory of Evolution. It would still be a fact that ALL other species on the earth would still have evolved under recognised Darwinian principles, but humans would present a lone, special case.
 
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Gen 8:1 ¶ And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;

The Hebrew word asswaged/shakak has two meanings. One is to assuage and the other is used to set a trap to catch men.

Jer 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as He that setteth H7918/shakak snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

Did God set a trap or snare with the flood? Of course He did and He catches men in His snare at the end of time.

Isa 24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

See? At the end of time, when many shall come out of the pit and think that they have escaped punishment, they are taken in God's snare or trap. The rest of the verse identifies the snare as the flood story which most scientists reject.

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

God's a pretty good trapper... when He wants you ensnared, there's nothing to do about it.
 
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Even if humans were magically transported to earth by a God from another plane of existence 11,000 years ago, nothing about that would falsify the Theory of Evolution.


so evolution isnt scientific because it cant be test?
 
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so evolution isnt scientific because it cant be test?

So's Law, being shown to be correct once again...

Did you not bother to read the rest of my post, or did you just not bother to try and understand it?

Or are you DELIBERATELY misrepresenting the context of the quote by omitting the second sentence, in an effort to bait or antagonize me?

Aman777 presents a scenario where magically created humans are magically transported to earth 11,000 years ago, fully formed and behaviourally modern, without any predecessors on earth - yet still supposedly capable of producing viable offspring with archaic homonids.

In this most supernatural and unlikely of scenarios, humans are operating entirely outside the evolutionary history of the entire rest of the planet. Because of this, if it was shown that humans WERE a special case and our existence was shown to be an exception to evolution via natural selection, this would not invalidate the ToE as it applied to EVERY OTHER SPECIES ON THE PLANET that didn't get magically get poofed into existence.

All we'd know is that humans were different from the rest of life on earth.
 
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The Hebrew word asswaged/shakak has two meanings. One is to assuage and the other is used to set a trap to catch men.

I bet you can't support that claim. Shakak does not mean to set a trap.

The rest of your post is incorrect, and very dishonest to highlight the word "snare" where it is not from the hebrew shakak. But then honesty is not something you particularly care about, is it?

False accusation.

Strong's Number H7918 matches the Hebrew שָׁכַך (shakak),
which occurs 5 times in 5 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV

Jer 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as He that setteth H7918 snares; they set a trap, they catch men.


Do you see the use of shakak in the above verse? Now, it's your time to tell us IF God meant to set a trap or dry up the ground on Adam's world?
 
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Aman777 presents a scenario where magically created humans are magically transported to earth 11,000 years ago, fully formed and behaviourally modern, without any predecessors on earth - yet still supposedly capable of producing viable offspring with archaic homonids.

Gene2memE presents a scenario which includes changing the intelligence of Apes into reasoning Humans, thus debasing our true Human origin. We are not Apes but truly are the most violent beings alive. Apes are innocent and have NO Law and NO Judgment. Humans (descendants of Adam) MUST be judged since we are destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY living creature including Apes. Genesis 1:28
 
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What, specifically, are these traits? List them.

Agriculture, domesticating animals, city building, tents, musical instruments, and smelting. These traits are listed in Genesis 4:17-22 as the traits of the Humans who lived on Adam's Earth which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2 Peter 3:6 These traits began on Planet Earth in Northern Mesopotamia 11k years ago. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

The evidence shows that behaviourally modern humans (as opposed to anatimoically modern humans) emerged about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago, in Africa, the Middle East, Southeastern Europe, Central/North America and Australasia.

Adam never took a step on this Earth which means that Humans (descendants of Adam) did NOT arrive until 11k years ago, in man's time. When do you suppose mindless Nature installed the superior intelligence of God into Apes? Genesis 3:22

Even if humans were magically transported to earth by a God from another plane of existence 11,000 years ago, nothing about that would falsify the Theory of Evolution. It would still be a fact that ALL other species on the earth would still have evolved under recognised Darwinian principles, but humans would present a lone, special case.
 
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God's a pretty good trapper... when He wants you ensnared, there's nothing to do about it.

Amen, but most evolutionists don't realize how trapped they really are. God springs His trap at the last moment AFTER they think they have escaped Hell. Isaiah 24:19
 
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so evolution isnt scientific because it cant be test?

Evolution isn't scientific because no one can tell us HOW and WHEN mindless Nature changed the descendants of Apes into the descendants of Adam. (Humans) Someone should tell them about the birds and the bees. They THINK they have found another way to change the brains of people. LOL
 
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Amen, but most evolutionists don't realize how trapped they really are. God springs His trap at the last moment AFTER they think they have escaped Hell. Isaiah 24:19

Too true -- a trap requires an element of deception in order to work... and who's a better deceiver than your God?
 
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Agriculture,

There's strong evidence for agriculture (as in, repeated sowing/planting and harvesting of domesticated crops) before 11,000 BP. There's good evidence of small scale cultivation as long as 36,000 years ago in Australasia, harvesting or proto-domesticated cereal crops in the southern Levant 23,000 years ago, and large scale agriculture by 14,000 years ago.

domesticating animals,

There's very strong evidence that dogs were domesticated by 15,00 years ago. There's also evidence that the domestication of pigs and oxen was underway between 14,000 and 12,000 years ago. There's also weaker evidence that sheep and chickens were domesticated before 11,000 years ago.

city building,

Yay, you got one right! City building (as in very large permanent settlements supported by year-round agriculture) dates back about 9,000 years, +/- about 1,000 years.

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Nope, tents are at least 44,000 years old, and probably almost 70,000 years old.

musical instruments

Nope, musical instruments are at least 42,000 years old, and possibly as old as 65,000. The oldest known flute is somewhere around 42-43,000 years old, and the oldest drum is about 35,000 years old.

and smelting.

Not really. The earliest evidence of (copper) smelting is about 5500 years old. So, according to your hypothesis, it took 'Humans' 5500 years to develop smelting from their arrival on earth?

Also, the section of Genesis you reference specifically mentions "brass and iron". The oldest know iron smelting occurred no more than 3800 years ago. There's certainly no archeological evidence of anything beyond this - and finding such evidence from 11,000 would completely re-write the history of recent human development.
 
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False accusation.

Strong's Number H7918 matches the Hebrew שָׁכַך (shakak),
which occurs 5 times in 5 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV

Jer 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as He that setteth H7918 snares; they set a trap, they catch men.


Do you see the use of shakak in the above verse? Now, it's your time to tell us IF God meant to set a trap or dry up the ground on Adam's world?
Are you saying that the other examples you highlighted used the hebrew shakak (which would be dishonest) or are you prepared to admit that your claim is, as I said, erroneous?
 
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There's strong evidence for agriculture (as in, repeated sowing/planting and harvesting of domesticated crops) before 11,000 BP. There's good evidence of small scale cultivation as long as 36,000 years ago in Australasia, harvesting or proto-domesticated cereal crops in the southern Levant 23,000 years ago, and large scale agriculture by 14,000 years ago.

There's very strong evidence that dogs were domesticated by 15,00 years ago. There's also evidence that the domestication of pigs and oxen was underway between 14,000 and 12,000 years ago. There's also weaker evidence that sheep and chickens were domesticated before 11,000 years ago.
If you have references for these examples I would welcome them. Some of your dates differ from the most recent ones I have seen (but it's not a topic I keep close tabs on).No problem if you don't have them handy.
 
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Today's scientists have ignored Genesis which clearly explains that God made at least 3 Universes within our Multiverse. Our Universe is small when compared to the 3rd Heaven. One city there is 1500 miles square and in 1500 miles in elevation. This means that Gravity, which attracts smaller matter (our world) with its more dense and much larger mass, is working just fine. Tell the speculators that we are being drawn toward the next world so they can stop proclaiming their ignorance by calling plain old Gravity, "dark energy". I didn't write Genesis. I just read it.
You're going to need to show me how Genesis supports your..."theory."
 
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There's strong evidence for agriculture (as in, repeated sowing/planting and harvesting of domesticated crops) before 11,000 BP. There's good evidence of small scale cultivation as long as 36,000 years ago in Australasia, harvesting or proto-domesticated cereal crops in the southern Levant 23,000 years ago, and large scale agriculture by 14,000 years ago.



There's very strong evidence that dogs were domesticated by 15,00 years ago. There's also evidence that the domestication of pigs and oxen was underway between 14,000 and 12,000 years ago. There's also weaker evidence that sheep and chickens were domesticated before 11,000 years ago.



Yay, you got one right! City building (as in very large permanent settlements supported by year-round agriculture) dates back about 9,000 years, +/- about 1,000 years.

,

Nope, tents are at least 44,000 years old, and probably almost 70,000 years old.



Nope, musical instruments are at least 42,000 years old, and possibly as old as 65,000. The oldest known flute is somewhere around 42-43,000 years old, and the oldest drum is about 35,000 years old.



Not really. The earliest evidence of (copper) smelting is about 5500 years old. So, according to your hypothesis, it took 'Humans' 5500 years to develop smelting from their arrival on earth?

Also, the section of Genesis you reference specifically mentions "brass and iron". The oldest know iron smelting occurred no more than 3800 years ago. There's certainly no archeological evidence of anything beyond this - and finding such evidence from 11,000 would completely re-write the history of recent human development.

The history of recent Human development on our Earth began in the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, which is just SW of Lake Van, Turkey where the Ark arrived. You have confused the history of Adam's world with the present world. Adam's world had agriculture, smelting and ALL the traits of modern Humans long BEFORE these same traits appeared on our Earth. Genesis 4:20-22
 
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Are you saying that the other examples you highlighted used the hebrew shakak (which would be dishonest) or are you prepared to admit that your claim is, as I said, erroneous?

Of course not UNLESS you can tell us which definition of the hebrew "shakak" God used in Genesis. Go ahead and try and I will give you supporting verses which cannot be understood by your definition. Amen?
 
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You're going to need to show me how Genesis supports your..."theory."

Easy. God tells us the first Heaven (Adam's firmament) was made on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 Other Heavens (plural) were made on the 3rd Day by Lord God or Jesus. Genesis 2:4 That makes at least 3 Heavens which were made by the beginning of the 3rd Day. Amen?
 
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Easy. God tells us the first Heaven (Adam's firmament) was made on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 Other Heavens (plural) were made on the 3rd Day by Lord God or Jesus. Genesis 2:4 That makes at least 3 Heavens which were made by the beginning of the 3rd Day. Amen?
Where are these "heavens?"
 
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