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I don't and never did believe the mother Mary to be sinless...this is all a big confusion because of some short little disjointed posts...forgive me for intruding.
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Who says they don't pray to Christ?
And they managed to get theosis.
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I don't disagree with that statement. Nevertheless, both believe she needed a savior
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If you believe she was sinless, then you don't believe she needed to be saved from sin. Saved from what? You imply it here:
Yet, plants and animals, and Mary, were not exempt from sickness and death, even after Christ. Or...do you have her stashed away in a closet somewhere? She was not physically saved, apparently, and you say she does not need to be spiritually saved. That leaves nothing else. It leaves her not saved from anything by anyone.
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The passage I cited makes clear we go to Christ in prayer.
As for "managing to get theosis"...scary teaching!
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Nobody prays TO any saint. To phrase it in this way is to totally misunderstand intercessory prayer.
If you take Jesus' teachings seriously, I'd wager that not only is he more fully alive today than any of us posting on here are, but has a better understanding of all aspects of creation than we do.
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Nobody is sinless so this is a non issue.
The only one who was sinless was Christ. This sinless attribute of Christ was the one and only thing that allowed and qualified Him to die for others. If He had of had sin... His death would have only paid His own debt.
So, the sinless needed a savior. Christ being sinless qualified Him to be that savior...
Therefore, if anyone was "sinless" they would not have need of a savoir.
Mary was not sinless. She needed a savoir like every other human..Otherwise this scripture would be a contradiction:
Romans 3:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
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She still had ancestral sin which is different from any personal sin, and like I said before, not committing any sin does not merit you salvation
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Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10:34-36
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Christ is the only one without sin... unless He lied and scripture is false. Mary is never mentioned as being an exception to these scriptures:
Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
1 John 1:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I could have typed out the concept.. but here it is: Did Mary, Jesus' Mother, Ever Sin?
It is true that Mary did not contract the guilt of Adam’s original sin, because nobody has. It has nothing to do with Mary’s conception. Guilt simply is not inherited. The child does not bear the iniquity of the parent (Ezekiel 18:20). Human beings go astray; they are not born that way (cf. Isaiah 53:6). One is spiritually dead because of his personal sin (Ephesians 2:1 ), not due to the sin of others.
Further, it is not true that Mary never committed an actual sin. In her magnificent psalm uttered while carrying the Christ child, she exclaimed, “My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior” (Luke 1:47). Observe that she referred to the Lord as “my Savior”—not merely “a Savior,” or “the Savior.” No sinless person needs a Savior. Clearly this statement implies that Mary was a sinner just like the rest of us (Romans 3:23).
Doubtless she was one of the noblest ladies ever to grace this planet; nevertheless, she was not without sin (cf. 1 John 1:8, 10)
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