Flat Earth Belief Should Be Destroyed Soon.

Lost4words said:

Lots of dreams are going to be shattered when we get people going into space and reporting back that the earth is indeed a sphere!

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The only thing that I am curious about is how high they are going up? Will they pass the van allen belt?

I have iossues with all the lunar flights simply because there has been no adequate answer as to how NASA protected the astronauts from the massive radiation of the Belt. I believe they all went and came back, but this bother me .

nolidad said:

The only thing that I am curious about is how high they are going up? Will they pass the van allen belt?

I have iossues with all the lunar flights simply because there has been no adequate answer as to how NASA protected the astronauts from the massive radiation of the Belt. I believe they all went and came back, but this bother me .

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How Do We Know The Moon Landing Really Happened? - The National Space Centre

Jason0047 said:

I have also debated with them in two other threads before and they can be highly irrational (even despite being shown basic observable Science). I am saying that if one is a rich Flat Earther, they will now be able to go to space and be shown that the Earth is not flat. In fact, if all the Flat Earth people were to get together and do a fund raiser for millions to support one guy to go up in space and record his experience, they should all technically never believe in Flat Earth ever again. They should be able to have enough money to send out a camera with no fish eye lens. They will also confirm that the sun does indeed go around the Earth, too; And it does not act as a flashlight shining on certain parts of the Earth in a circular fashion.

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Why waste money on this proposed trip, all any Christian Bible based flat and stationary earth believer needs is the Bible itself.

Research Flat Earth: It's Biblical

d taylor said:

Why waste money on this proposed trip, all any Christian Bible based flat and stationary earth believer needs is the Bible itself.

Research Flat Earth: It's Biblical

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Here is the star Jupiter (pagan name) with two of the stars that accompany the star Jupiter.


Now here is a photo of a star i took that was above me. Notice the supposed moons of Jupiter are actually stars and are like the photo of the star i post below.
The one exception is the stars of Jupiter are farther away and possibly smaller, so they do not appear as bright.

d taylor said:

Here is the star Jupiter (pagan name) with two of the stars that accompany the star Jupiter.

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Now here is a photo of a star i took that was above me. Notice the supposed moons of Jupiter are actually stars and are like the photo of the star i post below.
The one exception is the stars of Jupiter are farther away and possibly smaller, so they do not appear as bright.

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Photoshoped. CGI. Or, its just lights and flies in your garage.

This is what you would say to other photos, right?

Jason0047 said:

Please. Just stop. I am not interested in debating Pseudoscience anymore.
I have already refuted a Flat Earth belief several times over already.
It's silly and it is not even worth my time.

But if you need reasons for how the Earth is a sphere (and it is not flat), then here ya go:

A New Biblical & Scientific Refutation of a Flat Earth!

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That is about as Biblical base as your, a believer loosing their eternal life. Neither can be proved with the Bible

I do not debate science, my belief in Gods created flat and stationary earth is, a Bible based belief.

The pagan science (lie) is just that lies and lies cannot be debated.

Jason0047 said:

I have also debated with them in two other threads before and they can be highly irrational (even despite being shown basic observable Science). I am saying that if one is a rich Flat Earther, they will now be able to go to space and be shown that the Earth is not flat. In fact, if all the Flat Earth people were to get together and do a fund raiser for millions to support one guy to go up in space and record his experience, they should all technically never believe in Flat Earth ever again. They should be able to have enough money to send out a camera with no fish eye lens. They will also confirm that the sun does indeed go around the Earth, too; And it does not act as a flashlight shining on certain parts of the Earth in a circular fashion.

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Well concerning them I am not as confident as you! Some even had high powered telescopes and were shown moon junk and still were not convinced.

d taylor said:

Why waste money on this proposed trip, all any Christian Bible based flat and stationary earth believer needs is the Bible itself.

Research Flat Earth: It's Biblical

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Well if you believed the bible, you would know god created two heavens (for the third heaven has been for eternity.)

But I will give you three old and one new testament verse that if you truly believe the bible should dispel that false myth.

Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LordGod made the earth and the heavens, (heaven is plutral)

Deuteronomy 10:14
Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the Lord's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
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Heaven of heavens is what they call whatr we call outer space!

1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?


2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

This one requires a little thought (sarcastic humor intended). If Paul went to the 3RD HEAVEN, that means there is a 1st and 2nd one as well!

nolidad said:

Well if you believed the bible, you would know god created two heavens (for the third heaven has been for eternity.)

But I will give you three old and one new testament verse that if you truly believe the bible should dispel that false myth.

Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LordGod made the earth and the heavens, (heaven is plutral)

Deuteronomy 10:14
Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the Lord's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Heaven of heavens is what they call whatr we call outer space!

1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?


2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

This one requires a little thought (sarcastic humor intended). If Paul went to the 3RD HEAVEN, that means there is a 1st and 2nd one as well!

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People (Christians) like you are interesting contradiction, of trying to make The Bible agree, or at least appear to agree with science. I may be wrong but i am guessing (being baptist) that you believe in God creating a literal Adam and Eve and reject the lie of evolution (if i am wrong on this just disregard the rest of what i write).

But then from the same scientist accept their outer/space universe, planets, sun (fire ball) stars, etc.. where none of the above are found in the Bible.

You want to look at Bible verses, that is true there are three heavens. Now what i am going to say/write is not an interpretation of Bible verses. I am stating this as the Bible verses state.

There is a heaven found in Genesis 1:6,7,8
This heaven divides waters from waters. There are waters under this heaven (raqia( english translation:firmament, vault, expanse ) and waters above this heaven.

Now moving down to Genesis 1:14,15,16,17
It is seen that, in this same heaven as God created in Genesis 1:6. It is stated by the Bible that God placed the sun, moon and stars in this heaven. the same heaven that is separating the waters (above and below) Notice no mention of planets being created and placed in the raqia.

So from the account given in the Bible, the sun, moon and stars are in the heaven separating the two bodies of water.

In Genesis 1:16 The Bible states that God created two great lights. The Bible did not say God created a greater light and a reflector of the first greater light.

The Bible states God created two great lights.

Now in Genesis 1:17 this lights created by God are created for the purpose of giving light on the earth. Noting is said about lighting up planets, moons, etc. these lights are created for lighting the earth.

Genesis 1:20 states that the birds fly across the face of the heavens (raqia) same location as Genesis 1:6 and same location where God placed the sun, moon and stars, Genesis 1:14.

Not sure if you have read Genesis 1:14 but that verse states “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens" notice of the heavens God created the lights are place in the raqia (firmament) part of the heavens, the area that is dividing the waters.

Psalms 19:1 also states that it is the raqia (firmament) that shows Gods handiwork. Not an outer space/universe.

If God is communicating the truth of His creation,and if a universe did exist, it would have been just as easy to state in Psalms 19:1 that the universe shows Gods handiwork but Pslams not not say that.

The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament "shows His handiwork.

Joshua 10:12,13,14,15 Joshua commands the sun and moon to stand still. Psalms 19;6 states the sun has a circuit. God causes the sun to move backwards in a promise to Hezekiah.

Genesis 1 list Gods creation and through out the Bible the creation of God is stated as The heavens and earth. No outer space/universe no planets, fire ball sun millions of miles away, etc...

The question are you going to walk on the water or sink.

d taylor said:

People (Christians) like you are interesting contradiction, of trying to make The Bible agree, or at least appear to agree with science. I may be wrong but i am guessing (being baptist) that you believe in God creating a literal Adam and Eve and reject the lie of evolution (if i am wrong on this just disregard the rest of what i write).

But then from the same scientist accept their outer/space universe, planets, sun (fire ball) stars, etc.. where none of the above are found in the Bible.

You want to look at Bible verses, that is true there are three heavens. Now what i am going to say/write is not an interpretation of Bible verses. I am stating this as the Bible verses state.

There is a heaven found in Genesis 1:6,7,8
This heaven divides waters from waters. There are waters under this heaven (raqia( english translation:firmament, vault, expanse ) and waters above this heaven.

Now moving down to Genesis 1:14,15,16,17
It is seen that, in this same heaven as God created in Genesis 1:6. It is stated by the Bible that God placed the sun, moon and stars in this heaven. the same heaven that is separating the waters (above and below) Notice no mention of planets being created and placed in the raqia.

So from the account given in the Bible, the sun, moon and stars are in the heaven separating the two bodies of water.

In Genesis 1:16 The Bible states that God created two great lights. The Bible did not say God created a greater light and a reflector of the first greater light.

The Bible states God created two great lights.

Now in Genesis 1:17 this lights created by God are created for the purpose of giving light on the earth. Noting is said about lighting up planets, moons, etc. these lights are created for lighting the earth.

Genesis 1:20 states that the birds fly across the face of the heavens (raqia) same location as Genesis 1:6 and same location where God placed the sun, moon and stars, Genesis 1:14.

Not sure if you have read Genesis 1:14 but that verse states “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens" notice of the heavens God created the lights are place in the raqia (firmament) part of the heavens, the area that is dividing the waters.

Psalms 19:1 also states that it is the raqia (firmament) that shows Gods handiwork. Not an outer space/universe.

If God is communicating the truth of His creation,and if a universe did exist, it would have been just as easy to state in Psalms 19:1 that the universe shows Gods handiwork but Pslams not not say that.

The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament "shows His handiwork.

Joshua 10:12,13,14,15 Joshua commands the sun and moon to stand still. Psalms 19;6 states the sun has a circuit. God causes the sun to move backwards in a promise to Hezekiah.

Genesis 1 list Gods creation and through out the Bible the creation of God is stated as The heavens and earth. No outer space/universe no planets, fire ball sun millions of miles away, etc...

The question are you going to walk on the water or sink.

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INTERPRETATION!!!!!!

Jason0047 said:

Now, you are being highly illogical. You said you do not debate Science, but yet you refer to how the Bible talks about a flat Earth (Which would be Scientific observations in your mind, i.e. Science passages in the Bible). In addition, you also just posted photos (Science photos) to prove your position. So you are not being fair, dear sir. You are allowed to post Scientific evidence for your position and I am not allowed to do so? That doesn't seem right to me.

FYI (For your information), I provided biblical evidences in support of my position within the thread, as well. So please feel free to look at the verses I posted within that thread.

Now, your unwillingness to debate Science (i.e. your rejection of Science) shows why you blindly believe in a flat Earth. However, Science is merely observation of a truth in our real world. Without observing the truth (Science), you would not be able to function normally in our society and or to do things. It is your trust in basic scientific laws or repeatedly truths (or constant scientific observations) that allows for you to operate properly. You know the sun will rise (or the beginning of daylight) will come in rotation every 24 hours. Your life revolves around the rising of the sun, and the setting of the sun. Your pineal gland awakens you to the daylight even. But you are free to ignore Science like this and remain in your own world if you like. But the Bible refers to lots of Science that backs it up as being the divinely inspired Word of God.

As for a believer losing their eternal life: Well, the Bible speaks plenty about this topic. The Parable of the Prodigal Son is one of many examples (Luke 15:11-32). When the son returned home and repented, the father said he was "dead" and he is "alive again." (See: Luke 15:24, and Luke 15:32). Meaning, the son died spiritually, when he was in his prodigal life, and he became alive again spiritually when he came back home and sought forgiveness with his father. The father also said that his son was "lost," and he is now is "found." (See: Luke 15:24, and Luke 15:32). Most of the time when we speak of beings being "lost" in the Bible, it refers to one being spiritually lost. For example: Jesus said, "the Son of man is come to save that which was lost." (See: Matthew 18:11). But you are again free to change the words of the Bible to fit whatever belief you prefer to hear or to feel comfortable with. Just know it would not be the reality of what the Bible plainly teaches anymore than believing in the illusion of a Flat Earth.

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I state my position that i believe, Gods creation is not what science says. and I use the Bible along with photos i have taken. But even though i have ask question in the past about of things science says i do not approach this from a scientific angle. Will not post experiments i have conducted, etc.. (i do not, don't care to, conduct experiments).
I see the sun moving in the sky (raqia, 1st heaven) most everyday along with the moon and stars. I see a moon which is a lesser light as the Bible states.

I am not a scientist, i am a visual artist, any photography i do would come under art. I simply photographed/recorded stars God created did not do any science experiments .

And i do not believe i said anything about anybody else posting photos or not to post photos. I just believe photos (if that is what they are) showing a globe earth are not real.