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Can we drink the cup which Jesus drank?

It has been suggested that we cannot drink the same cup that Jesus drank because that cup was a propitiation, and removed sin, and men cannot remove sin, only God can, in turn inferring that we cannot share in the result of the drinking of the cup.

I think that the view is wrong on two counts:

1. The premise that the cross was picked up to remove sin, when it was really picked up to provide bread to children, nutrition to encourage repentance, nudges to persuade men to stop serving mammon because of craving earthly treasure that rusts, and start serving God for heavenly treasure that never perishes, be born again.

2. The premise that the cross we are commanded to pick up leads only to sharing in Christ's sufferings, but does not contribute to what the sufferings result in, because when Joshua picked up his cross, risked his life, God resurrected him and he did not die, like the rest of Israel was sure he would indeed die. The result of the resurrection was that Rahab was saved from a life of serving mammon, to serve God. IOW, Joshua bore fruit, when he accepted the chief cornerstone, the teaching that laying down your life is God's way of how souls are won, how the world is blessed. Which Paul understood as well.

http://www.jesuspeoples.org/uploads/2/5/9/5/25952673/wright_becoming_righteousness.pdf

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Third, this reading of 5:21 has tied it in quite tightly, I think, to the whole argument of chaps. 3-5. This suggests to me that, although of course the first half of chap. 6 grows organically out of just this conclusion, it is misleading to treat 5:19 as though it were the conclusion of the long preceding argument and 5:20 as though it were the start of the new one. When it is read in the way I have suggested, 5:20-21 forms the natural climax to the entire argument of the preceding three chapters, with 6:1 being the point where Paul turns to address a specific appeal to the Corinthians. They have, after all, already been reconciled to God (5:20); 15 now they need to be urged not to receive this grace in vain (6:1). Moreover, they now have a significant new motive to heed this appeal: the one who speaks is not simply an odd, shabby, battle-scarred jailbird, but one who, however surprisingly, is a revelation in person of the covenant faithfulness of God.
 

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Can we drink the cup which Jesus drank?

It has been suggested that we cannot drink the same cup that Jesus drank because that cup was a propitiation, and removed sin, and men cannot remove sin, only God can, in turn inferring that we cannot share in the result of the drinking of the cup...

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But Jesus said to them, "You don't know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They said to him, "We are able." Jesus said to them, "You shall indeed drink the cup that I drink, and you shall be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with;

Mark 10:38-39
 
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How does this fit to your idea?


But Jesus said to them, "You don't know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They said to him, "We are able." Jesus said to them, "You shall indeed drink the cup that I drink, and you shall be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with;

Mark 10:38-39
Sure, but it does not contain the idea that drinking the cup like Jesus did led to the same results He achieved.

To do that, I showed that it did lead to people being motivated to stop clinging to Mammon and begin to follow Jesus, like the rich young ruler was taught to do.
 
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Can we drink the cup which Jesus drank?

It has been suggested that we cannot drink the same cup that Jesus drank because that cup was a propitiation, and removed sin, and men cannot remove sin, only God can, in turn inferring that we cannot share in the result of the drinking of the cup.

I think that the view is wrong on two counts:

1. The premise that the cross was picked up to remove sin, when it was really picked up to provide bread to children, nutrition to encourage repentance, nudges to persuade men to stop serving mammon because of craving earthly treasure that rusts, and start serving God for heavenly treasure that never perishes, be born again.

2. The premise that the cross we are commanded to pick up leads only to sharing in Christ's sufferings, but does not contribute to what the sufferings result in, because when Joshua picked up his cross, risked his life, God resurrected him and he did not die, like the rest of Israel was sure he would indeed die. The result of the resurrection was that Rahab was saved from a life of serving mammon, to serve God. IOW, Joshua bore fruit, when he accepted the chief cornerstone, the teaching that laying down your life is God's way of how souls are won, how the world is blessed. Which Paul understood as well.

http://www.jesuspeoples.org/uploads/2/5/9/5/25952673/wright_becoming_righteousness.pdf

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Third, this reading of 5:21 has tied it in quite tightly, I think, to the whole argument of chaps. 3-5. This suggests to me that, although of course the first half of chap. 6 grows organically out of just this conclusion, it is misleading to treat 5:19 as though it were the conclusion of the long preceding argument and 5:20 as though it were the start of the new one. When it is read in the way I have suggested, 5:20-21 forms the natural climax to the entire argument of the preceding three chapters, with 6:1 being the point where Paul turns to address a specific appeal to the Corinthians. They have, after all, already been reconciled to God (5:20); 15 now they need to be urged not to receive this grace in vain (6:1). Moreover, they now have a significant new motive to heed this appeal: the one who speaks is not simply an odd, shabby, battle-scarred jailbird, but one who, however surprisingly, is a revelation in person of the covenant faithfulness of God.

"share in the result of the drinking of the cup"

What was in the cup? The sins of the world/cup of death. Because He drank the cup, salvation (the result) is available to mankind through Him. He is our cup and we drink of it/Him and receive the cup of life. It's not the cup ... it's what's IN the cup.

“Anyone who is thirsty may come to me!

Psalms 16:5
The LORD [is] the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup

Psalms 116:13

I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.

There is also another cup one can drink from ... and what is in that cup?

Corinthians-1 10:21

Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Therefore, know what's in the cup you are drinking from. ;o)
 
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"share in the result of the drinking of the cup"

What was in the cup? The sins of the world/cup of death. Because He drank the cup, salvation (the result) is available to mankind through Him. He is our cup and we drink of it/Him and receive the cup of life. It's not the cup ... it's what's IN the cup.

“Anyone who is thirsty may come to me!

Psalms 16:5
The LORD [is] the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup

Psalms 116:13

I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.

There is also another cup one can drink from ... and what is in that cup?

Corinthians-1 10:21

Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Therefore, know what's in the cup you are drinking from. ;o)
However, He was referring to the cross. Joshua learned that the main plank in God's policy, the chief cornerstone, was to risk his life and then be raised. In this way, men would also come out of Egypt, when they saw God could protect from spiritual as well as physical dangers. This is the fruit. Israel refused to believe this was how she was to become a blessing to the world. When the kingdom was given to the Gentiles, they were more faithful. That's why Jesus said that it would be proved that the stone which the builders rejected had become the central plank of God's policy.

Am I getting through?
 
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Jesus told James and John that they would drink from His cup.

And we know they did not die for our sins.

But they shared with Jesus, I would say, in how Jesus so has loved us all and has suffered and died for us, in His love for us.

But this does not mean their suffering and loving and dying brought the same results.

And we all are directed to love the way Jesus has loved us all, on the cross >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, how He was loving, on the cross, is what I think He mainly would mean by drinking from His cup; and this is not measured by how much He outwardly suffered. But we can "walk" in such loving . . . which I would say means all the time, during suffering or pleasure, living and dying well.

And this includes, I now consider, being sacrificed inside ourselves to being pleasing to our Father, by being in our nature the way Jesus is so pleasing > like how Jesus was "a sweet-smelling aroma" >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

So, possibly what mattered the most about His cup was not the quantity of the suffering which impresses us humans, but the quality of how pleasing He is to our Father.
 
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Can we drink the cup which Jesus drank?

It has been suggested that we cannot drink the same cup that Jesus drank because that cup was a propitiation, and removed sin, and men cannot remove sin, only God can, in turn inferring that we cannot share in the result of the drinking of the cup.

I think that the view is wrong on two counts:

1. The premise that the cross was picked up to remove sin, when it was really picked up to provide bread to children, nutrition to encourage repentance, nudges to persuade men to stop serving mammon because of craving earthly treasure that rusts, and start serving God for heavenly treasure that never perishes, be born again.

2. The premise that the cross we are commanded to pick up leads only to sharing in Christ's sufferings, but does not contribute to what the sufferings result in, because when Joshua picked up his cross, risked his life, God resurrected him and he did not die, like the rest of Israel was sure he would indeed die. The result of the resurrection was that Rahab was saved from a life of serving mammon, to serve God. IOW, Joshua bore fruit, when he accepted the chief cornerstone, the teaching that laying down your life is God's way of how souls are won, how the world is blessed. Which Paul understood as well.

http://www.jesuspeoples.org/uploads/2/5/9/5/25952673/wright_becoming_righteousness.pdf

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Third, this reading of 5:21 has tied it in quite tightly, I think, to the whole argument of chaps. 3-5. This suggests to me that, although of course the first half of chap. 6 grows organically out of just this conclusion, it is misleading to treat 5:19 as though it were the conclusion of the long preceding argument and 5:20 as though it were the start of the new one. When it is read in the way I have suggested, 5:20-21 forms the natural climax to the entire argument of the preceding three chapters, with 6:1 being the point where Paul turns to address a specific appeal to the Corinthians. They have, after all, already been reconciled to God (5:20); 15 now they need to be urged not to receive this grace in vain (6:1). Moreover, they now have a significant new motive to heed this appeal: the one who speaks is not simply an odd, shabby, battle-scarred jailbird, but one who, however surprisingly, is a revelation in person of the covenant faithfulness of God.
There are many "cups" and each has its significance. Jesus did not drink from the cup filled with His blood, He changed it so His Apostles could drink from it. Everlasting Life.
 
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Can we drink the cup which Jesus drank?

It has been suggested that we cannot drink the same cup that Jesus drank because that cup was a propitiation, and removed sin, and men cannot remove sin, only God can, in turn inferring that we cannot share in the result of the drinking of the cup.

I think that the view is wrong on two counts:

1. The premise that the cross was picked up to remove sin, when it was really picked up to provide bread to children, nutrition to encourage repentance, nudges to persuade men to stop serving mammon because of craving earthly treasure that rusts, and start serving God for heavenly treasure that never perishes, be born again.

2. The premise that the cross we are commanded to pick up leads only to sharing in Christ's sufferings, but does not contribute to what the sufferings result in, because when Joshua picked up his cross, risked his life, God resurrected him and he did not die, like the rest of Israel was sure he would indeed die. The result of the resurrection was that Rahab was saved from a life of serving mammon, to serve God. IOW, Joshua bore fruit, when he accepted the chief cornerstone, the teaching that laying down your life is God's way of how souls are won, how the world is blessed. Which Paul understood as well.

http://www.jesuspeoples.org/uploads/2/5/9/5/25952673/wright_becoming_righteousness.pdf

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Third, this reading of 5:21 has tied it in quite tightly, I think, to the whole argument of chaps. 3-5. This suggests to me that, although of course the first half of chap. 6 grows organically out of just this conclusion, it is misleading to treat 5:19 as though it were the conclusion of the long preceding argument and 5:20 as though it were the start of the new one. When it is read in the way I have suggested, 5:20-21 forms the natural climax to the entire argument of the preceding three chapters, with 6:1 being the point where Paul turns to address a specific appeal to the Corinthians. They have, after all, already been reconciled to God (5:20); 15 now they need to be urged not to receive this grace in vain (6:1). Moreover, they now have a significant new motive to heed this appeal: the one who speaks is not simply an odd, shabby, battle-scarred jailbird, but one who, however surprisingly, is a revelation in person of the covenant faithfulness of God.

Same cup... just on a MUCH smaller scale.
 
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We can be cruelly persecuted to death like Christ.
Christ picked up a cross every day. He risked His life every time He used works or words to persuade people to stop serving mammon and change to following God. Moses also did the same. IOW, this is a repetitious motif in Scripture.

When God healed the sick or opened up hidden meanings of Scripture, people were motivated to obey. When Christians who have been empowered do the same today, are believers being created?
 
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Christ picked up a cross every day. He risked His life every time He used works or words to persuade people to stop serving mammon and change to following God. Moses also did the same. IOW, this is a repetitious motif in Scripture.

When God healed the sick or opened up hidden meanings of Scripture, people were motivated to obey. When Christians who have been empowered do the same today, are believers being created?
Christ was talking of a future cup and not the one he was drinking.
 
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It is not about "saving people" but being severely persecuted.
Well when Moses carried out God's works, Israel stopped being afraid and came out of Egypt. When Joshua carried out God's work, Rahab left mammon to follow God. When Peter did God's work, the jailer turned from serving the world to God. God equipped those who
left mammon and joined His Family, with empowerment like He empowered Moses, to make them blessings to the world.

The rich young ruler would have been a blessing to the world too, like God promised Abraham , if he had obeyed Christ.

Exodus 4
8Then the Lord said, “If they do not believe you or pay attention to the first sign, they may believe the second. 9But if they do not believe these two signs or listen to you, take some water from the Nile and pour it on the dry ground. The water you take from the river will become blood on the ground.”
 
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