Young earth creationism & 40000 year old frozen wolf

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See post #78 above. Original Hebrew is a 24 hour period. A 24 hour period is not determined by the sun but by the rotation of the earth. God separated the light from the dark before He created the sun. Light consists of more than sunlight---there is what is called invisible light---such as ex-rays and such (googled it). It is invisible to the human eye---not to God's.

Is that the best you got. Very flimsy evidence.

The events of day 6 could not have have taken place in 24 hours. To accept they did means God would have to have given Adam special powers, and there is no evidence of this in the genesis story.

Day 6 rips the 24 hour creation days stuff to pieces.
 
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Your interpretation of scripture is 'your' own.
You obviously don't have an interpretation of the Bible.
There is nothing in the Bible which supports and old earth and evolution. If there were you would have posted it.
You chose to reject the word of God and embrace the "science" of man. It doesn't matter that evolution is junk science based on an increasing complexity process that has never been shown to exist.
Saying I "misinterpret" the Bible by quoting it is simply a lie. Please don't lie any more.
 
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Yom is 24 hours Beyom is an age----which makes perfect sense in as much as Adam and Eve did not die in that 24 hour period---but in an age--in this case, over 900 years later.
But on that day their death was assured. Satan told them they would not die ON that day, which was true, but their disobedience resulted in death coming to all who will ever live.
 
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:) love this. My dad.. that was not saved at the time .. loved to show the 7th day adventist that lived right behind us. Those two.. oh so loving.. had a huge garden and alway shared.. believed ALL of this is just 6000y old. My dad.. Native American.. LOVED to show them this 30000 or older year old rock pig scull. Just to upset them. I think the world can be VERY OLD.. but man can still be 6000.

MAN.. are we old are what..
 
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Is that the best you got. Very flimsy evidence.

The events of day 6 could not have have taken place in 24 hours. To accept they did means God would have to have given Adam special powers, and there is no evidence of this in the genesis story.

Day 6 rips the 24 hour creation days stuff to pieces.


Are you joking??? Let's see---Adam is created--wakes up to a world full of animlas that God brings to him and Adam names them all---no special powers? Adam and Eve were created with perfectly functioning brains---not our puny brains of today---they were the equivalent of being total savants!! Look up what savants are capable of doing---and that is with them being only part savant, the other part of the brain is retarded. We can't even imagine what a fully perfectly functioning brain is capable of.
Are you also under the impression that those pre-flood people were a bunch of Neanderthals sitting around gnawing on bones and grunting??? They also had fully perfect brain function. God didn't make junk. Day six was the culmination of God's perfect work and day 7 was the day He created for the specific reason of acknowledging the fact that He had created the world and everything in and around it in 6 days. Your unbiblical theory can not do away with the Hebrew language.
 
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Is this a provocative post to discredit folks with certain beliefs or are we looking for some stimulating discussion?
From what was said in the first few responses... only to discredit. There is no desire for real discussion only to one up somebody's belief. Sad.
 
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You obviously don't have an interpretation of the Bible.
There is nothing in the Bible which supports and old earth and evolution. If there were you would have posted it.
You chose to reject the word of God and embrace the "science" of man. It doesn't matter that evolution is junk science based on an increasing complexity process that has never been shown to exist.
Saying I "misinterpret" the Bible by quoting it is simply a lie. Please don't lie any more.

I am not lying. You see scripture differently to me. You see a young earth. I dont. I also believe in science. You dont.
 
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Have you not read where it is written that the Lord “sitteth upon the circle of the earth”? (Is. 40:22) or where it is written that He “hangeth the earth upon nothing”? (Job 26:7) And since the space photos show an earth with a circular shape as described by the prophet Isaiah and an earth suspended over nothing as described in the book of Job, do not the photos themselves vindicate the scriptures which had spoken of these things before they were seen by man?

As far as the flat earth society is concerned, I have not found in scripture the hundreds of verses you claim they use to support their doctrine aside from a few in which common expressions are used to describe the four directions of the earth (north, south, east, and west) and which are still commonly used today.
Here is one such flat earth website claiming more than 240 verses support a flat earth including funnily enough some of the same verses you quote to support a round earth.
Over 200 Bible scriptures say the earth is FLAT! #FlatEarthDoctrine
 
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Radiocarbon dating cannot be used for living organisms:

"Occasions for potential errors in dating:
a) while the organism is still alive..[because of, for example], reservoir effects transferred via food chains"

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03014223.2000.9517630


A good laboratory must know this and do whatever is technically possible to avoid such errors.



Also, your mathematics is not very good, you cannot take margin from hundreds of years by percentage and use it as a general one. 300 years error in 4.7 billion years possibility is 0% margin, not 99%.
If the tooth was dated to be from the era of dinosaurs, you could have some point, but not like this.

The muskrat tooth story I heard in a debate like this along time ago; whether it was true or not I do not know but hypothetically the tooth would have been dead, if not immediately the tooth have been dead after a period of time, what is dead for the purpose of carbon dating; some cells live on, in a dead body hair and nails continue to grow for around six weeks; I would expect the carbon daters to wait un till the tooth was ready.
 
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"The severed head of a wolf that died about 40,000 years ago has been found in Siberia, and because of the freezing conditions, the remains are so well preserved that the fur, teeth, brain and facial tissue are largely intact.

Pavel Yefimov, a local resident, discovered the head last summer on the banks of the Tirekhtyakh river close to the Arctic Circle in the region of Yakutia, according to the Siberian Times.

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The head was handed to the Science Academy of Yakutia. Researchers there sent samples and measurement data abroad and with help from colleagues in Japan and Sweden determined its age as approximately 40,000 years, the news outlet said.

Footage provided to Reuters TV by the academy shows the head of an animal, visibly bigger than that of a modern wolf, covered with fur and with teeth visible. Its eyes are missing."

Young earth creationism says the world is in the order of 10000 years old. How does it account for a 40000 year old wolf's head?

Frozen wolf's head found in Siberia is 40,000 years old
Did the young earth group change the biblical date from 6000 to 10,000? I thought former number is closer to the date when you add up the numbers? Seems to me it is a moving target and once that starts to happen it is no longer the scriptural date.
 
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Here is one such flat earth website claiming more than 240 verses support a flat earth including funnily enough some of the same verses you quote to support a round earth.
Over 200 Bible scriptures say the earth is FLAT! #FlatEarthDoctrine


I took a look at the scripture verses the flat earthers claim to support their doctrine but anyone who is well versed in the Bible can see that the passages to which they appeal do not support their beliefs and give no indication of the shape of the earth as they claim. The very passage that does tell us about the shape of the earth is Isaiah 40:22 which describes the earth as a circular shape, but in no way says that the earth is flat despite their attempts to impose their flat-earth presupposition on that passage, and I do not possibly see how Job 26:7 could possibly support their position.

What we do know about the earth’s shape is very consistent with what Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:7 describe.

To go into all the reasons why the verses the flat-earthers claim support their doctrine actually do not would probably take us beyond the topic of this particular thread, but I wouldn’t mind starting a thread discussing as to whether the Bible supports the flat earth doctrine as the flat-earthers claim.

But if you were to take the time to search out and investigate YEC materials, you will find that YECs generally do not support the flat-earth doctrine, even you refuse to be persuaded to adopt their perspective. This is a but a stereotype placed upon young earth creationists by evolutionists and is not representative of YECs as a whole.
 
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Did the young earth group change the biblical date from 6000 to 10,000? I thought former number is closer to the date when you add up the numbers? Seems to me it is a moving target and once that starts to happen it is no longer the scriptural date.


No, they have not. The 6,000-10,000 year range has long been an estimated age for the universe accepted by young earth creationists though most hold the earth to roughly 6,000 years old.
 
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You guys have just scratched the surface of the problems with dating methods. Did good though. People put so much faith in the tabloid science media. It's pathetic.


You are absolutely right in that we have only scratched the surface of all that is wrong with conventional dating methods. Much more could be uncovered but that would a great deal of research and much time.
 
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"The severed head of a wolf that died about 40,000 years ago has been found in Siberia, and because of the freezing conditions, the remains are so well preserved that the fur, teeth, brain and facial tissue are largely intact.

Pavel Yefimov, a local resident, discovered the head last summer on the banks of the Tirekhtyakh river close to the Arctic Circle in the region of Yakutia, according to the Siberian Times.

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The head was handed to the Science Academy of Yakutia. Researchers there sent samples and measurement data abroad and with help from colleagues in Japan and Sweden determined its age as approximately 40,000 years, the news outlet said.

Footage provided to Reuters TV by the academy shows the head of an animal, visibly bigger than that of a modern wolf, covered with fur and with teeth visible. Its eyes are missing."

Young earth creationism says the world is in the order of 10000 years old. How does it account for a 40000 year old wolf's head?

Frozen wolf's head found in Siberia is 40,000 years old

Since they made the claim that it's 40,000 years old the onus is on them to prove it. Are you just going to take their word for it?
 
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Since they made the claim that it's 40,000 years old the onus is on them to prove it. Are you just going to take their word for it?
The same could be said about proving the earth is 10000 years old. Of course YECs will say the Bible (read literally) is proof. But if a document can be proof, whatever document the scientists produce could be regarded as proof. So the first issue would be deciding what constitutes "proof".
 
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The same could be said about proving the earth is 10000 years old. Of course YECs will say the Bible (read literally) is proof. But if a document can be proof, whatever document the scientists produce could be regarded as proof. So the first issue would be deciding what constitutes "proof".
That may be, but they made the claim. However, the trustworthiness of thr source also needs to be taken into account. They made the claim, the onus is on them to prove it. I don't just accept what people say, especially when it come to origins
 
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