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Monk Brendan · Jun 16, 2019

visionary said:
I will clarify a name I prefer to call my Lord whom most of you know as Jesus Christ. I call Him Yeshua and know Him as my Messiah. The reason for calling Him by His Hebrew name is because of the abuse and misuse that the English name Jesus Christ has received. It is like curse words out of many people’s mouths today and I want this not to happen in your mind when you read this thread.

I know that Yeshua is one the Hebrew pronounciations of His name and most likely what He was called His whole life. So please do not let it trip you up as you read Yeshua in the place of the English name Jesus Christ. That is one thing I do not want your mind to battle over.

Actually, the Hebrew/Aramaic pronounciation was more like "Yehoshua"

Monk Brendan · Jun 16, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
I call Him Jesus Christ.

My husband calls Him Yeshu Masih.

Greeks call Him Iesu Kristos.

Either way. He saves.

Actually, in Greek, it's Iisous Xristos.

Ken Rank · Jun 16, 2019

Lulav said:
I do hope you are not including me in that first paragraph. I stated no connection to 'magic' or 'majic' of any kind. However certain spoken words do carry meaning. I'll give some more examples.

11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.
12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

If his name isn't important then Peter must have been preaching falsely in the temple?

Matthew…20 But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a Son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins.”

Paul to the Corinthians:

1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus (Messiah Yeshua) by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours

Acts 16 - Paul uses the Name to cast out demons and they obey

17 This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation.”
18 She continued this for many days. Eventually Paul grew so aggravated that he turned and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” And the spirit left her at that very moment.

Even the Sanhedrin recognized the name and power it had.

1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them, 2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead. 3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide. 4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

5 And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes, 6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem. 7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, 9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Peter and John Threatened, Released

13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. 14 And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it. 15 But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves, 16 Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.
17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

In Hebrew, to profane God's name has >>nothing<< to do with how we say or don't say Yod Hay Vav Hay. Profaning His name is acting in a manner that does not reflect His character, takes from His reputation, and stands outside His authority. On the flip side, to walk in His name is to live in a manner that reflects His character, adds to His reputation, and is within the scope of His authority.

I share that basic truth to say that each example you give where you seem to think it is telling us to say His name.... is speaking not of those 4 letters, but about His character and authority. The best example in the bible is found in Exodus 34 and it says that His name will be PROCLAIMED. And though those 4 letters are spoken... the weight of that part of the chapter is very clearly on "merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children's children to the third and the fourth generation." His name is proclaimed and what do we hear? We hear His character and reputation and power... His shem.

There is no other name by which men can be saved... there is no other authority by which men can be saved. You see something audible in this, I don't based on how scripture uses "name." That's ok... we don't have to agree here.

Tone · Jun 16, 2019

Ken Rank said:
You see something audible in this, I don't based on how scripture uses "name." That's ok... we don't have to agree here.

I can agree with both of you.

Danielwright2311 · Jun 16, 2019

visionary said:
I will clarify a name I prefer to call my Lord whom most of you know as Jesus Christ. I call Him Yeshua and know Him as my Messiah. The reason for calling Him by His Hebrew name is because of the abuse and misuse that the English name Jesus Christ has received. It is like curse words out of many people’s mouths today and I want this not to happen in your mind when you read this thread.

I know that Yeshua is one the Hebrew pronounciations of His name and most likely what He was called His whole life. So please do not let it trip you up as you read Yeshua in the place of the English name Jesus Christ. That is one thing I do not want your mind to battle over.

Hello,

Jesus is Yeshua's English name given to us in our own language so we can know him.

I know you know this but i stress it because not all of us use it in a cursing way.

So, There are many other Hebrew translations and other Greek translations.

The problem here is no one knows the real true way to say it or pronounce it, else we do not know the 100 percent correct translation.

So, I think its o'k to use the name Jesus, its a beautiful name .

Also, People will still curse God no matter what, no matter what translation we use.

visionary · Jun 16, 2019

Danielwright2311 said:
Hello,

Jesus is Yeshua's English name given to us in our own language so we can know him.

I know you know this but i stress it because not all of us use it in a cursing way.

So, There are many other Hebrew translations and other Greek translations.

The problem here is no one knows the real true way to say it or pronounce it, else we do not know the 100 percent correct translation.

So, I think its o'k to use the name Jesus, its a beautiful name .

Also, People will still curse God no matter what, no matter what translation we use.

Yeshua…. has anyone used it to curse?

Swan7 · Jun 16, 2019

visionary said:
I will clarify a name I prefer to call my Lord whom most of you know as Jesus Christ. I call Him Yeshua and know Him as my Messiah. The reason for calling Him by His Hebrew name is because of the abuse and misuse that the English name Jesus Christ has received. It is like curse words out of many people’s mouths today and I want this not to happen in your mind when you read this thread.

Believe me I know what you mean. But I have to kindly disagree because of what God Himself has shown me in my own life through His Word. I actually hated Christians for a while, yet I still believed in God, but I didn't want any part of the label "Christian"; because they represented something else other than God. As you have said about Jesus Christ's name as a curse word, I thought of Christians in that light. I wanted to be called something else (which was another label :doh:

), which I didn't realize I was running away from instead of battling the stereotype the name has acquired. God had to show me there are MANY false Christians (Matthew 24:5) and not to be like them, being set apart goes a long way. Just like there are Jews that claim to be Jews but are not, as Christ has said in Revelation 2, Romans 2:28-29, Jeremiah 4:4, etc.

God shown me not to "forsake" the word Christian as His name is in it. His name has power over every other name, and He has many names!

Mark 9:38. I know I use the English for His name, but that is the only language I know, and Paul said something about the native tongue: 1 Corinthians 14:19
He also shown me why I should fight in love for this is that my middle name literally means "Christ follower". That's exactly what His definition of a Christian is. I hope you see what I'm saying.

Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach is King and Lord over all!

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 17, 2019

AbbaLove said:
Perhaps, one's preference for "Yahshua" is a way of signifying their firm belief that Israel's Messiah is the physical manifestation of God (Yah) Incarnate. On the other hand those that say "Yahshua" is a modern day invention contend that there is no Hebrew word spelling in the entire Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) that can be transliterated from Hebrew into English with the spelling of "Yahshua". However, in that Yeshua means "God Saves ~ God's Salvation" then it seems reasonable to consider Yahshua as a possible pronunciation of God's Son.

No one knows whether Mary and Joseph pronounced His Hebrew name as "Yeshua", "Yahshua", or another pronunciation that might have a slightly different English phonetic spelling. No one knows the exact "Hebrew" pronunciation by the Angel of the Lord that told Joseph to name their son Yeshua/Yahshua (not Jesus).

Yah is not a prefix but a suffix...the theophoric prefix is YeHo...as in YeHoshua.

Devin P · Jun 17, 2019

David Cabrera said:
Yet none of the authors bother calling him by Yeshua but Iesous.

Well of course. They were recording it in Greek. Can you read this name:
יהושע?

No, which is why I have to translate it, because I'm writing in English. Joshua, that name is Joshua. That is why they wrote His name in the Greek form, because the readers wouldn't even know how to begin speaking it

Radagast · Jun 17, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
Greeks call Him Iesu Kristos.

The Bible calls Him Iēsous Christos.

Radagast · Jun 17, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
In the synagogues readings from the Scriptures weren't from the Hebrew, but from Aramaic translations known as Targums.

Or from the Greek Septuagint. Archaeology has found many Greek-language synagogues of the period, especially in coastal towns.

ViaCrucis said:
We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic, more than just the historical fact that it was the Jewish language of the time, because the Gospels record Jesus' Aramaic words.

Indeed, and in many cases we can tell that it's Aramaic, not Hebrew.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 17, 2019

Radagast said:
Or from the Greek Septuagint. Archaeology has found many Greek-language synagogues of the period, especially in coastal towns.

The word "Pentecost" comes from Greek speaking Jews

AbbaLove · Jun 17, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yah is not a prefix but a suffix...the theophoric prefix is YeHo...as in YeHoshua.

Take that up with Tone and others preferring the "Sacred Name Movement" name ('Yah'shua from 'Yah'weh) that consider 'Yah' (Hebrew: יה, Yah) to be a shortened English representation of 'Yah'weh referring to the sacred name of YHVH/YHWH.

Agree with you in the sense that 'IF' Mary and Joseph pronounced their 1st born son with a "Yah" sound vocalization instead of a "YeH" sounding pronunciation their neighbors would wonder why they pronounced their sons name different from that of other Jewish boys with the same name (e.g. Yehoshua vs Yahoshua or Yahshua).

Perhaps, by the time of Mary and Joseph the classic Hebrew pronunciation as "Yehoshua" had been shortened to "Yeshua". The one thing we can agree on is that the Angel that spoke to Joseph (Yossef) in a dream did not pronounce His name as "Jesus"

Not David · Jun 17, 2019

Lulav said:
Maybe because we are speaking of the Jewish Messiah.

Who is also the savior of all men. And most of the Jewish who believed in him spoke Greek.

parousia70 · Jun 17, 2019

Well, according to prophesy, His mother was supposed to name Him Immanuel.
(Isaiah 7:14)

But even the staunchest of Hard line Literalists allow ample wiggle room for this literal "Prophetic Fulfillment"...

Yusuphhai · Jun 18, 2019

"Yasu, Yashua, or Yasū'" يسوع are Christian Arabic pronunciations of the name of Jesus (as opposed to the Islamic Arabic name for Jesus of "Isa" عيسى). And the Chinese pronunciation is Ye1su1(耶稣)，like the Greek pronunciation.

I can understand the worry about misusing this Word in a Pagan way. But really the standard pronunciation can not united all over the world. The word “God” or “Allah” or “神（上帝）“ can also refer to the Biblical Elohim though their original meaning was not.The same word’s meaning must be lifted up.

A Chinese theological doctor graduated in an American Seminary said I was a heretic because I thought both Hebrew and Greek pronunciation of Yeshua(Yesus) could be used. But he thought the Hebrew name should be forbidden for it is misused by some. I said there are much more cases the Greek name is misused but it still should not be forbidden. This Greek Name is a way God speaks to many Gentiles.

parousia70 · Jun 18, 2019

I like Hey-Suess

Lulav · Jun 18, 2019

3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ~John

Radagast · Jun 19, 2019

Danielwright2311 said:
The problem here is no one knows the real true way to say it or pronounce it, else we do not know the 100 percent correct translation.

But we do know with 100% certainty what form of the name the Holy Spirit caused the New Testament writers to write down.

Yusuphhai · Jun 19, 2019

The first Version of Matthew was written in Hebrew-Aramaic. Other Scriptures of Apostles were written in Greek originally, though in the mind of the writers they need translate Hebrew-Aramaic into Greek.

G2424,Ἰησοῦς, Iēsous, ee-ay-sooce'
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.

H3091יהושׁע יהושׁוּע yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.

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