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Lulav said:

I'll have to beg to difer:

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

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Greetings LuLav. His name, that word, is not a magic word that needs to be said in order for God to hear. In a world where some Messianics and many Hebrew Rooted non-Jews run around calling a lot of things pagan, the idea that we would have to say a certain word in order to trigger a response from YHWH is a pagan idea.

By the authority of Yeshua HaMaschiach of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. (11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. (12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other authority under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

In Hebrew, name equals authority. So, either we have to say a magic word, or we have to allow that "name" can have more than one meaning.

Josh Carver said:

Does it make you feel more holy than others by calling him Yeshua instead of Jesus?

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I think he explained that he doesn't like using "Jesus" because how it became almost tainted due to how many people have used it as a cuss word.

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The name Yeshua receives just as much abuse in countries where it is the usual name used for the Messiah. There are people who hate Him in every nation.

Josh Carver said:

Does it make you feel more holy than others by calling him Yeshua instead of Jesus?

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I have been to school with several international students who change their names for the sake of other people and culture.

For example, Yousef ===> Joseph.

I think it is a shame; your name is your identity, and the Hebrews didn't waste their names; they meant something very specific in pronunciation and spelling (since each letter is a number). We didn't let any of our friends be called by their Americanized/Westernized names because that is not their name. Even if it took us several months to pronounce it, we did it.

We have marginalized the Redeemer's name, because we can. But His name is what it is - He knows who you you refer to because of your heart. But, how long will someone let you call them a name their family doesn't even use - before patience runs thin (especially when we have the resources to find out the truth with Him.)

The closest "English" analogue to Yahoshuah is "Joshua(h)".

JOSHUAH is the English form of the Redeemer's name, and this is important because of the allusion of the next-in-line priest Joshua pointing toward the Redeemer Himself. But, the name in Hebrew is spefific.

d taylor said:

Acts 2 They heard the works of God in their own language and i would guess that would have included The Messiah's name,title in their own language.

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His Name is Yahshua (transliterated) in any language...why would we change personal names? What is so hard about sounding that out? I can see maybe it would be hard for a language that doesn't have a "Y" sound, or a "ah" sound, or a "Sh" sound, or a "oo" sound, but which are those?

visionary said:

It is like a foreigner who is saying your name with an accent, it is what he calls you, and with a smile you accept it, but your friends and family pronounce your name as it was given to you at birth. There is no feelings of "holier than thou".. it doesn't even enter the mind. That kind of attitude makes no sense, about a pronunciation, really.

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Is this the sacred name movement?

visionary said:

I will clarify a name I prefer to call my Lord whom most of you know as Jesus Christ. I call Him Yeshua and know Him as my Messiah. The reason for calling Him by His Hebrew name is because of the abuse and misuse that the English name Jesus Christ has received. It is like curse words out of many people’s mouths today and I want this not to happen in your mind when you read this thread.

I know that Yeshua is one the Hebrew pronounciations of His name and most likely what He was called His whole life. So please do not let it trip you up as you read Yeshua in the place of the English name Jesus Christ. That is one thing I do not want your mind to battle over.

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I would like to think that this verse is relevant to this thread.

Galatians 3:13 English Standard Version (ESV)
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”

Thinking about Christ becoming a curse for me makes Him look AWESOME.

The original New Testament scriptures were in Greek. What is you all obsession with Jewish stuff?

Josh Carver said:

So maybe we should just call him Josh.

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It'd be closer than Jesus technically. Although, it is the heart that matters most. I was saved using Jesus, but when I became aware of His name He would've heard while He was alive, I just chose to call Him by it. Not that it makes me "holier" but it's just His name, and I love Him, and want to call Him by His name. I call Him Jesus if I'm around people that don't know about His name, or aren't in the place in their walk to receive the information that it's His name.

Maria Billingsley said:

Is this the sacred name movement?

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Merely mentioning the name doesn't make it a sacred name. Saying that you can only be saved if you use the name Yeshua, and that all those that don't are condemned, that is sacred name. Just discussing the actual name of our Messiah itself isn't sacred name. Issues like this can't be shrouded under so much disdain and caution. Had the OP stressed that all those that say Jesus are damned, then sure, sacred name. But he was just wanting to share his preference for His name He would've heard while alive - Yeshua / Yehoshua. He was just sharing as a way to maybe pass on His name to those that haven't heard it before - which in itself isn't sacred name. Nothing even close.

I get that it causes division (the sacred name movement) but we can't be on guard to such an extent from those that are like that, that we can't even discuss certain topics without a prideful wall being put up. We have to use discernment for figuring out when certain topics are okay being discussed. Right now, it's fine, because no one has devolved into insults, condemning, or anything of the sort - yet.

David Cabrera said:

The original New Testament scriptures were in Greek. What is you all obsession with Jewish stuff?

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Well yeah, the new testament was in greek, but the authors primary language was still hebrew and aramaic. Jesus was no doubt raised speaking primarily hebrew and aramaic - as He was Jewish, and hebrew is the language of the Israelites (jews included). Therefore His name was in hebrew and aramaic before it ever was in greek. That's not an obsession, it's just how it is.

Tone said:

His Name is Yahshua (transliterated) in any language...why would we change personal names? What is so hard about sounding that out? I can see maybe it would be hard for a language that doesn't have a "Y" sound, or a "ah" sound, or a "Sh" sound, or a "oo" sound, but which are those?

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Greek would be "those" which is why His name went from Yeshua / Yehoshua, to Yesous (Iesous/Isous). When there is a name you can't pronounce in your language, you transliterate it. Which, is basically doing your best, with the letters in your alphabet, to spell the name. So, if you were to take a name from an african tribe that speaks in primarily tongue clicks, in english a name might be "click click tunk" for example. Because we don't have letters to describe tongue clicks and pops.

Josh Carver said:

But Jesus is the Greek translation. So Yeshua and Jesus are the same name. There is no difference.

Also, btw I was addressing the OP.

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The Greek Iesous through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus...

The disciples and other believers almost always addressed Him personally as "Lord", so I will stick with that name.

The Name that is above every name.

I identify with what you are saying, Visionary. Depending on my desire, I sometimes pray "Jesus", sometimes, "Yeshua". I'm blessed that you get blessed by the approach you take. Likewise when those who only say "Jesus" worship our Lord.

It is interesting how Pontius Pilate had "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS" posted on the Cross of Jesus in Aramaic, Greek and Latin . . . and that the leading priests only objected to the semantics. There is power in the Name!

visionary said:

I will clarify a name I prefer to call my Lord whom most of you know as Jesus Christ. I call Him Yeshua and know Him as my Messiah. The reason for calling Him by His Hebrew name is because of the abuse and misuse that the English name Jesus Christ has received. It is like curse words out of many people’s mouths today and I want this not to happen in your mind when you read this thread.

I know that Yeshua is one the Hebrew pronounciations of His name and most likely what He was called His whole life. So please do not let it trip you up as you read Yeshua in the place of the English name Jesus Christ. That is one thing I do not want your mind to battle over.

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This is not an uncommon concept...

However, I have heard, on many occasions, that people have been saved from spiritual harm, physical harm and even in Near Death experiences.... saved from multi or inter dimensional conflict by using the English name "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ".

I think that the universe, which is controlled by the laws of God... is bound by the many names in different languages, that refer to our savior.

The entities, powers, angels, demons..... all are bound by the infinite power of the name of our savior... when used in the context of the individual that is using it... to refer to the Son of God.

Much like my kids call my dad "Poppa". Others call their grandfather "grandpa". Oppa..... or whatever... The grandparent will not care.... they will be elated by the relationship with these precious kids.

I am not going to get hung up on what others call Christ. Call Him by what you feel best. He knows in the hearts of His children, when they are calling Him or referring to Him..

visionary said:

I will clarify a name I prefer to call my Lord whom most of you know as Jesus Christ. I call Him Yeshua and know Him as my Messiah. The reason for calling Him by His Hebrew name is because of the abuse and misuse that the English name Jesus Christ has received. It is like curse words out of many people’s mouths today and I want this not to happen in your mind when you read this thread.

I know that Yeshua is one the Hebrew pronounciations of His name and most likely what He was called His whole life. So please do not let it trip you up as you read Yeshua in the place of the English name Jesus Christ. That is one thing I do not want your mind to battle over.

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The language of the Jewish people in Judea in the first century wasn't Hebrew, it hadn't been for centuries. By Jesus' time Hebrew was largely restricted to religious use in the Temple, the language of the Jewish people was Aramaic. Aramaic had replaced Hebrew as the common language of the Jewish people during and after the Exile.

In the synagogues readings from the Scriptures weren't from the Hebrew, but from Aramaic translations known as Targums. We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic, more than just the historical fact that it was the Jewish language of the time, because the Gospels record Jesus' Aramaic words.

When Jesus healed and raised the little girl back to life, the Evangelists record that He said, "talitha koum", that is Aramaic for "little girl, get up". On the cross Jesus uttered the words, "Eli, Eli, lama sebachthani". And so on.

There were a number of Aramaic dialects and forms of the Aramaic tongue in the first century, the specific form spoken by Jews in the area of Judea and Galilee was Jewish Palestinian Aramaic; and we also know that there was some dialectical difference between what was spoken in Judea and what was spoken in Galilee, as Galileans could be recognized by their speech.

This means that the pronunciation of Jesus' name, ישוע‎, is something that we have to somewhat reconstruct. In modern forms of Aramaic we have Yeshu', Isho'. I've also seen Eahoa, but I don't know how trustworthy that is. Some scholars posit Yeshu, with the final ayin dropped off, as final ayins were dropped in some dialects of Aramaic (and this form, Yeshu, is found in Jewish rabbinical literature).

The point, however, is that "Yeshua" while certainly the valid Hebrew pronunciation of ישוע‎, isn't historically accurate for Jesus' name during His own earthly ministry. It's not what His mother or disciples would have called Him. So if the intent is to call Him by what He was known by at the time, then Yeshua is incorrect.

Now, if you are a Hebrew speaker, Yeshua is perfectly fine. Yeshua is valid as a transliteration of Jesus' name into Hebrew, just as Jesus is a valid transliteration of His name in English. As is His name in languages all over the world: Iesus, Iesous, Jesu, Iyasus, Hisus, et al.

-CryptoLutheran

Tone said:

His Name is Yahshua (transliterated)

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That's not a name in any language. The Hebrew forms are יְהוֹשֻׁעַ and יֵשׁוּעַ (Yehoshua and Yeshua respectively). "Yahshua" is incorrect, in יְהוֹשֻׁעַ the yod is marked with a shvah, the niqqud which indicates the vowel /e/, while in יֵשׁוּעַ the niqqud of the yod is tsere, again pointing to the vowel /e/. So "ya" isn't possible, in both forms it must be "ye". Further, the hah in יְהוֹשֻׁעַ is followed by a vav marked with cholam, rendering the vav as a quasi-vowel, /o/, as such it by necessity is "yeho". "Yahshua" is simply not possible.

-CryptoLutheran

visionary said:

I will clarify a name I prefer to call my Lord whom most of you know as Jesus Christ. I call Him Yeshua and know Him as my Messiah. The reason for calling Him by His Hebrew name is because of the abuse and misuse that the English name Jesus Christ has received. It is like curse words out of many people’s mouths today and I want this not to happen in your mind when you read this thread.

I know that Yeshua is one the Hebrew pronounciations of His name and most likely what He was called His whole life. So please do not let it trip you up as you read Yeshua in the place of the English name Jesus Christ. That is one thing I do not want your mind to battle over.

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Jesus is accepted as His name. We seek Him, we're saved by Him, we love Jesus, pray in His name, worship Him and this has been our life, our personal relationship with our Lord and Savior throughout the centuries.
Non-Christians use His name in vain. I DID for 20 years until I was born again.
People commit much more heinous sins than that. Would you disassociate yourself with ALL UNBELIEVERS because they are lost and ignorant to the TRUTH?
So it's like you are putting your Lord in a box, safely tucked away ... with a more unpopular name so as to protect Him and your ears? People using His name in vain will still offend you. What, I suppose from now on you won't be offended when you hear Jesus' name used inappropriately and pretend "I don't know who they are talking about ... That's not my Lord, my Lord is Yeshua."
That's naive.