A Christian Wife Divorcing Her Husband

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I was very interested in reading the thread last night Oscar. I have a male friend who is currently in the process of getting a divorce after having a bad marriage that includes abuse (mentioned in the thread below). I've been forced to reassess my position on divorce. I've believed abuse was a legitimate reason for a long time. But going back through the issue with my friend, I believe there other legitimate reasons in general.

Divorce (Is adultery the only justifiable reason for it?)


I believe that many conservative Christians are myopic on the topic. They tend to focus on the specifics of Jesus statements in the NT and ignore the other issues and even the context of Jesus' statements in the gospels.

It's interesting going back to a systematic theology class is where the whole issue was originally raised. The professor brought up abuse in light of the words of Jesus on divorce (for adultery) and mentioned how many would hold to the letter of the law on that, and basically ignore the rest of the New Testament! (This sort of thing was easy for me to accept since back then I was a former psychology student who was previously gearing for a career and counseling and not wanting clients consigned to a life of torture was a no brainer).

But with my friends experience I think of this issue more broadly. People talk on and on about "breaking the marriage covenant" but if one spouse is doing something extreme like abuse, adultery etc. the marriage covenant has already been broken! People often forget why marriage was created to be a blessing, aka a help-meet etc. and being in an abusive or otherwise dysfunctional relationship is not a blessing!

And then there is the issue of repentance, which almost is never addressed. It's amazing how so many Christians act as facilitators of unrepentant people! They do nothing but lay guilt trips on the Christian behaving spouse for eventually seeking a divorce but do nothing to actually discipline the wayward spouse!
When I had my yelling session with God over my divorce and how I never wanted it, did all I could to avoid it, went to all the marriage counselling sessions, went to my own counsellor to "sort out my behaviour", etc, and so on, it seemed that He told me that the Bible is not a lawbook but a description of His plan of salvation in Christ and that He deals with human situations on a case by case basis and that I should trust in Him and when He gives up on my marriage then He will make provision for me.

I think that when life and personal safety is at risk, separating from a spouse may be the best self-defence option. Domestic abuse in my opinion is a breach of the marriage contract and if the abusing spouse won't repent, then divorce may be the only option.
 
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This is the normal MO for Dave L.

I was divorced against my will (although in the end it was the best thing as I didn't realize the damage that was being done to me psychologically) and am in a wonderful relationship now with another woman.

It was an answered prayer from God x2! Only God could have given me this relationship that I have now as it's the relationship that her and I both deserve. There is no arguing, our kids love the other person, she builds me up and doesn't tear me down, and I do the same for her.

If remarriage wasn't allowed, then God wouldn't have given us the relationship that we now have.
There is good teaching by Don Horban of the Cedarview Community Church in Ontario. You can find it on Youtube. It is the best teaching I have yet seen on divorce and remarriage. He teaches that the grace of God comes in a divides the past from the future, erases the past and sanctifies the new marriage by His grace. That teaching was like fresh air to me!
 
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There is good teaching by Don Horban of the Cedarview Community Church in Ontario. You can find it on Youtube. It is the best teaching I have yet seen on divorce and remarriage. He teaches that the grace of God comes in a divides the past from the future, erases the past and sanctifies the new marriage by His grace. That teaching was like fresh air to me!

I will definitely check it out!
 
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I have a pretty strict Puritan-based theology concerning personal holiness and eternal security - a bit different to many Arminian Pentecostals. I tend much more to grace-based and performance-based Christianity.

Christ's and Paul's teaching on holy living were presenting God's standards and Jesus said that our righteousness has to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees. The Pharisees were very strict in their personal holiness and compliance with the Law in a way that most of us would just dream about. They were 99.9% perfect, and yet Jesus said that our righteousness has to exceed that. At one stage when hearing His teaching, the disciples cried, "How can anyone be saved?"

So, if Christians are trying to continue to please God and remain in fellowship with Him by performance, all they are doing is equaling the righteousness of the Pharisees, and even if a believer got so good at it that he was 99.9% perfect in obedience, it was not be good enough, because Jesus said that our righteousness has to exceed it. I think that those who come on the forum and demand that we all be perfectly obedient to the commands of Christ actually miss what He said about the level of our righteousness.

So, we could follow all the commands and be perfectly obedient, and Jesus would say it would not be good enough, because the Pharisees could achieve that! So all the person would be is just a Pharisee!

Therefore, the only righteousness that would exceed that of the Pharisees would be the righteousness of Christ Himself, and for those who believe the gospel and receive Christ as Saviour and Lord, He has bestowed on them, enabling their righteousness to exceed that of the Pharisees, through the gift of God, and not through their own performance.
Yeah, it's about being born again, and living according to the new existence given to us. These kind of issues seem trivial most days, dealing with the impact of sin on the creation is a real issue I deal with though, like it's tangible. at least to me.
 
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Actually, seeking God for Him to do the work of conversion in us through the Holy Spirit is orthodox Puritan theology. Joseph Alleine, a well-known Puritan divine taught it in his book, "Alarm to the Unconverted". He says that anyone can profess Christianity, but if he doesn't press into God for the transforming work of the Holy Spirit, then he remains an unconverted religious person.
The spiritual transformation is key, otherwise it's church kids telling people how to live.
 
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Correct. When I was a deacon in a Charismatic church having been a Christian for 10 years, I thought I was getting along pretty well. I thought my marriage was good and sound, having married the church secretary whose faith was genuine and strong.

When God told me later, when I was doing through the storm and stress years, that all I had going for me was that Jesus died for me on the cross, He said that was all I ever needed, even though I thought I was progressing pretty well on the pilgrimage path and had amassed some pretty good brownie points through my obedience and dedication to Him and the church. What He told me was that all that was nothing to Him and He had to bring me down to the point where I had to realise that I was just a poor sinner and nothing at all, and that Jesus Himself was all in all. It was quite a horrendous way of teaching me that lesson - by taking away everything I had and was through my marriage breakup.

My first wife suffered depression, and it changed her whole perspective, and she lost faith that there was any meaningful future for her in our marriage. I have learned a lot about depression, and it is a horrible thing to experience. My daughter experienced it to the point of planning suicide. Her whole personality changed when she was in the middle of it. I know it can be demonic, but often it is a mental illness that changes a person's whole thinking while in the throes of it. With a severe depression it can take years to come right out of it, and it takes careful therapy in many cases. This is what happened to my first wife.

If I'd have known that at the time, I might have been more gracious and prayerful about things instead of judgmental toward her. But I didn't have the knowledge and experience at the time, and my church taught that depression was spiritual and demonic. But I thought that problems in our marriage were the cause of the depression, when in fact, it was the depression that brought the problems.

Depression can hit any person, and it can be developmental through certain life stages, or situational, causing extreme stress. It can often hit people in their 30s when they realise that they are no longer as young as they used to be. Also we were having a lot of stress in our church because my wife was disagreeing with some of the questionable teaching going on there and she was getting judgmental telephone calls while I was at work. Also, I think there was post-natal depression there as well that was not recognised or treated.

So, my divorce was not as straightforward as some might think, and if it can happen to us, being two really committed believers who had a very effective ministry to the young people of our church when things were going well, then it can happen to any committed Christian married couple. This is why we should always watch and pray.

So when a marriage gets into difficulty, the last thing people need is judgmental church people, who have less grace than the sofa I am sitting on, to attack them with Scripture quotes to make them feel more stressed and condemned than they already are.

Thanks for sharing that. May God bless you my friend.
 
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Oscarr your words have touched my heart because l have gone through a divorce l did not want after desperately trying to save the marriage to a man who had other plans and who had alienated four children against me and in fact my birth family. Behind ripped apart and then finding no support or solice in the church very much describes my own experience.

The Lord did give me a picture of an anchor with the assurance He was mine, but those years following were like a very bad nightmare, with the eldest two adult children dying.

I lost everything including my health which l am trying to rebuild, entirely alone in the world with just passing contact with the people in my church and no pastoral support.

I however have plummed the depths of despair to find that the Lord's hands are always there at the bottom and hold me up.

So happy for you that you found someone. Blessings to you both.
 
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