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Satan literally possessed him, brother.

The Evil one, as in the adversary possessed him to condemn Christ.

You know the verse.
Satan did not enter Judas until it was time for Judas to carry out the act of betrayal on Jesus. Satan did not remain in Judas, because afterward Judas wanted to return the silver.

Satan will not enter the Antichrist, until the time comes for him to carry out the act of going into the temple and claiming to be God.

It is not clear when Satan un-enters the person, but imo it is when the person is killed and finds his soul hell.

Satan has to un-enter the person, because in Revelation there are three villain characters of the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon. And when Jesus returns, the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.

Differently, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit at that time.

imo, Satan will incarnate the image of the beast, the statue, and be what makes the image appear to come to life, and everyone is required to worship.
 
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Satan did not enter Judas until it was time for Judas to carry out the act of betrayal on Jesus. Satan did not remain in Judas, because afterward Judas wanted to return the silver.

Satan will not enter the Antichrist, until the time comes for him to carry out the act of going into the temple and claiming to be God.

It is not clear when Satan un-enters the person, but imo it is when the person is killed and finds his soul hell.

Satan has to un-enter the person, because in Revelation there are three villain characters of the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon. And when Jesus returns, the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.

Differently, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit at that time.

imo, Satan will incarnate the image of the beast, the statue, and be what makes the image appear to come to life, and everyone is required to worship.

Luke 22:3 ; John 13:27

He did enter him, Brother.

Brother, let us not quibble. We are bound to rightly divide and accept the literal as it sets, by our biblical form of study.
 
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Luke 22:3 ; John 13:27

He did enter him, Brother.
I am not saying Satan didn't enter Judas. Satan entered Judas. But I am also saying that Satan did not remain in Judas.

Satan entered Judas to carry out the act of betrayal. But Satan did not remain in Judas, evidenced by what took place afterward. Afterward, Judas wanted to give back the silver.

Matthew 27:
2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
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So who was acting more like Satan in verse 4?
 
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I am not saying Satan didn't enter Judas. Satan entered Judas. But I am also saying that Satan did not remain in Judas.

Satan entered Judas to carry out the act of betrayal. But Satan did not remain in Judas, evidenced by what took place afterward. Afterward, Judas wanted to give back the silver.

Matthew 27:
2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

This is why I say Judas is simply a type. Isaac was a type for Christ.
 
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I really don't think he was calling all the Jews the synagogue of Satan. Probably talking about Zionists though

Silly...there were no zionists then, Israel existed then! He was speaking to some of the pharisees...
 
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So are you saying the real Jews were wiped out in 70 AD then? They are no more?

All Torah-Observing jews were in Jerusalem for the mandatory feasts of the Law of Moses. Non-Torah-Observing jews had become fully absorbed gentiles. So, all Jews who had the religion of Judaism were wiped out at AD 70.

Today's Jews don't follow the mandatory feasts of Moses. Why don't they do what Moses commanded? Because today's "jews" don't follow the Old Covenant whatsoever, as I have been saying. They don't have anything in common with the ancient Hebrews, nor do they even have their bloodlines, so far as anyone knows. The tribal system went extinct in the first century, and it did so precisely because the Jewish Messiah came and made the faith of Abraham universal to all people groups. In contrast with the Covenant of Moses, The Messiah's Covenant detached from race, from animal sacrifices, from the Temple, from the priestly class of Aaron, and from any earthly city--and it delivered this NEW judaism decades before the OLD judaism went extinct at AD 70. This proves that Christianity was of divine origin. They prophetically foresaw that the Old system was about to vanish (Heb 8:13) and history proves they were correct.

To follow what Moses commanded, Jews *must* be able to be reckoned by genealogy. They can no longer identify any sons of Abraham by lineage (and that's another reason why Jesus MUST be the messiah). This is precisely because the NEW covenant made with Israel was for all people groups and was no longer attached to the priestly class of Aaron or animal sacrifices. And when the NEW covenant was made, the OLD one went extinct.
 
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Silly...there were no zionists then, Israel existed then! He was speaking to some of the pharisees...
Actually in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9, Jesus was speaking to the Church's.
His statement that the Jews were Satanic, does apply to the majority of the citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, a state founded on communistic principals, Christian hating and now an LGBT accepting, arrogant people who ignore God.
Their fate is well prophesied; Isaiah 22:11b-14, Jeremiah 12:14, Luke 19:27, Romans 9:27
Their flag, with its symbol of baal worship, will be gone.

On that point, there are many Christian Church's who hang the Israeli flag inside their building. This is a serious mistake and they may pay dearly for it.
I have managed to get it removed from my Church.
 
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They don't have anything in common with the ancient Hebrews,

There's a problem with this.

the Jewish people "post 70AD" have been historically scattered throughout the world. This has been a design to get rid of them, as they had no homeland to call their own. When races do not have a homeland to call their own and they emigrate all over the world, they tend to become absorbed within the given nation they end up in, and bred out within a few generations. The fact that there is still a Jewish identity, after being a historically wandering people over the last 2 thousand years, is nothing short of a providential miracle.

So I cannot accept that they were genocided in 70 AD. They are now in Israel and their capital is Jerusalem. That means something. They can't all be "imposters"
 
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There's a reason why it's called the "Hexagram" and used in "magick" and it didn't have anything to do with King David.
Magick (Thelema) - Wikipedia

It might have had something to do with King Solomon though when his pagan wives turned his heart away from The Lord:

For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the Lord his God, as was the heart of his father David.
1 Kings 11:4



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You also took up the tabernacle of Moloch, And The Star of your god Remphan, Images which you made to worship; And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.'
• Acts 7:43

You also carried Sikkuth your king And Chiun, your idols, The Star of your gods, Which you made for yourselves.
• Amos 5:26
Go to minute 2:25 on the video...
The Star of David Demystified - What is the origin and history of the Shield of David?

The speaker is saying that in the Talmud there is reference to Saul having a seal to control demons. And traditions say it was either a six or five pointed star, and was used on amulets.

Okay, in Daniel 8:24-25, the little horn person has power but not his own, and he causes craft to prosper. In Kabbalah, there is a belief that the advanced practitioner can have the angels carry out the practitioners agenda.

There is a story about Rabbi Della Reina, who sought to bring in the messianic age by subdueing the "Samael and his wife lilith", and in the process he called up the angels.

Well, in the end the Rabbi did not follow instructions and gave spices to the chained Samael and his wife Lilith, which were in the form of two big black mean dogs. Which burst from the chains and immediately killed a couple of the Rabbi's students who were along for the mission.

The Rabbi himself, was cursed forever for giving spices to the Samael, and exempted from the world to come. Which the Rabbi, faced with that future, then used his occultic powers to have the wife of a prominent king, every night, be brought him by some angels when she slept and had sex with her.

But was eventually caught, and to escape the king's wrath, rushed to the ocean and drowned himself.

So the point being of the story , controlling angels to carry out the kabbalah practitioners agenda, is part of Jewish belief - outside of the bible, of course, but is what the little horn person will likely be into.

And imo, there is the possibility ultimately the star of David, could be used, by the little horn person, not as the symbol of the nation of Israel, but for occultic power reasons when the person becomes magnified in his heart that he has obtained God-hood, and it ends up being the mark of the beast.
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http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/Della-Reina.pdf

opening excerpt...

"The following is a translation and commentary to one of the saddest episodes in the history of Kabbalists. This is the story of one Rabbi, Yosef Della Reina, a man possessed with a zeal for HaShem. Not much is known about him personally. His story only picks up with this startling episode. All we know is that the story began sometime around 1470 or so in Tzfat Israel, about one hundred years before the time of the Ari’zal. The following story spread far and wide in Kabbalistic circles to stand as a warning against those who would endeavor to delve where they do not belong. "
 
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...continued.

At that site, an excerpt...

"We must now delve into one of the most secret and dangerous elements of the Kabbalah. We must discuss the true nature of evil, and how it is manifest in the form of the fallen Feminine. Rabbi Yosef, as we know, is determined to face the Satan. Here, Eliyahu refers to the Satan by his original name Samakel. Being that it is forbidden to pronounce that name, we refer to the Satan simply as SahM. Yet, Eliyahu HaNavi here mentions the secret known by the Kabbalists that is that SahM has a mate, a female counterpart. She also must be defeated by Rabbi Yosef along with SahM himself. "

The female counterpart to Samakel is named Lilit. She is actually mentioned in the Bible (Isaiah 34:14, see Rashi). She has a very interesting past and an even more dubious present. In order to talk about Lil (as she is called), we must first talk about her first mate, the one to whom she was bonded prior to bonding with the fallen angel Samakel. According to ancient Torah legend, the two stories recorded in Genesis relating the creation of man are different from one another. In other words, they are not both discussing the same event. Adam was originally created with an equal female counterpart, as the Torah says, “male and female He created them.” This original female was not taken from Adam’s side, nor was she subservient to him. This originally mate of Adam was Lil. Remember this was before the fall in Eden, before the eating of the forbidden fruit, before Adam’s fall and entrapment in the physical dimensions.
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At the site, it goes on to say that Lil used sex as a controlling mechanism, and had a dominatrix mentality.

Okay, this is interesting because the woman riding the beast in Revelation 17 has sexual relations with the kings of the earth. But the ten kings end up hating her.

Is that woman in Revelation 17, operating with a dominatrix mentality?

In Revelation 17, the woman is seen on the beast in the wilderness.

From the Chabad.org translation of the Tanach....

Isaiah 34:14 And martens shall meet cats, and a satyr shall call his friend, but there the lilith rests and has found for herself a resting place.
 
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Actually in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9, Jesus was speaking to the Church's.
His statement that the Jews were Satanic, does apply to the majority of the citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, a state founded on communistic principals, Christian hating and now an LGBT accepting, arrogant people who ignore God.
Their fate is well prophesied; Isaiah 22:11b-14, Jeremiah 12:14, Luke 19:27, Romans 9:27
Their flag, with its symbol of baal worship, will be gone.

On that point, there are many Christian Church's who hang the Israeli flag inside their building. This is a serious mistake and they may pay dearly for it.
I have managed to get it removed from my Church.

How is the Magen David "baal worship"? Your other theories are just plain silly
 
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How is the Magen David "baal worship"? Your other theories are just plain silly
My posts conflict with your beliefs, so they are 'silly'?
Rather than asking questions and poking the finger at those who post unpalatable truths, either change your beliefs or refute them with proper honest rebuttal.

The Star (Shield) of David, also called Magen David, is a relatively new Jewish symbol. Supposedly, it represents the shape of King David's shield (but there is no rabbinic support for that claim).

Is there any theological significance to the symbol? Some claim that the top triangle strives upward, toward God, while the lower triangle strives downward, toward the real world. Others note that the intertwining represents the inseparable nature of the Jewish people. Still others claim the three sides stand for the three types of Jews: Kohanim, Levites and Israel. A similar claim could be made for the three major movements. However, these theories have little basis in historical fact.

What is the history?

Intertwined equilateral triangles is a common symbol in the Middle East and North Africa, where it supposedly brings good luck. Originally, it was primarily associated with magic or family/community insignia. Its geometric symmetry made the symbol popular in many cultures. A common claim is that the upward triangle represents female sexuality, and the downward triangle represents male sexuality; combined, they symbolize unity and harmony. In alchemy, the two triangles symbolize "fire" and "water"; together, they represent the reconciliation of opposites.

The menorah served as the primary Jewish symbol, not the star.

Some historians have attempted to trace the star back to King David; others trace it to Rabbi Akiva and the Bar Kokhba ("son of the star") rebellion (135 CE); still others trace it to the kabbalists, especially Rabbi Isaac Luria (16th century). However, there is no documented evidence of these claim. Instead, evidence suggests that the early use of the star was limited to "practical Kabbalah", probably dating back to the 6th century. It is connected in legend with the "Seal of Solomon," which was a signet ring used by Solomon to supposedly control demons and spirits.The original ring was inscribed with the Tetragrammaton; but medieval amulets imitating the ring substituted the six-pointed star or five-pointed star, often accompanied by rampant lions. Hence, the star was called the "Seal of Solomon."

In any case, over time, the star replaced this menorah, while the five-pointed pentagram became identified with the Seal of Solomon. The star was also widely regarded as a messianic symbol, because of its legendary connection with David, ancestor of the Messiah. On Sabbath eve, German Jews would light a star-shaped brass oil lamp called a Judenstern (Jewish star), emblematic of the idea that Shabbat was a foretaste of the Messianic Age.

The star has achieved its status as the most common and universally recognized sign of Judaism and Jewish identity only since 1800. In the 17th century, it became a popular practice to put Magen Davids on the outside of synagogues, to identify them as Jewish houses of worship in much the same way that a cross identified a Christian house of worship. In Vienna, the Jewish quarter was separated from the Christian quarter by a boundary stone inscribed with a hexagram on one side and a cross on the other, the first instance of the six-pointed star being used to represent Judaism as a whole, rather than an individual community.

The star gained additional popularity as a symbol of Judaism when it was adopted as the emblem of the Zionist movement in 1897. Theodor Herzl chose the Star of David because it was so well known and also because it had no religious associations. In time, it appeared in the center of the flag of the new Jewish state of Israel and has become associated with national redemption. The symbol continued to be controversial for many years afterward. When the modern state of Israel was founded, there was much debate over whether this symbol should be used on the flag.

During the Holocaust, the Nazis chose the yellow star as an identifying badge required on the garments of all Jews. After the war, Jews turned this symbol of humiliation and death into a badge of honour.

Nowadays, the Star of David is the most universally recognized symbol of the Jewish people, even though it has no religious content or scriptural basis.



The Star of David

Opposition to the hexagram star symbol necessitated significant revisionist propaganda in order to transform it into an acceptable Jewish symbol. The saying: "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it" is attributed to Joseph Goebbels. The often repeated revised explanation for the hexagram star is as follows:

"The two blue stripes represent a tallit or prayer shawl, and both sides of the split Red Sea that the Hebrews walked through as written in the Book of Exodus."
"The Star of David also represents the Jewish identity of Israel, as well as the culture and history of the Israeli people."

In reality; what was the star of Remphan, an Egyptian deity, morphed into the occult Seal of Solomon and the Rothschild Hexagram via the Illuminati Hexagram. I view Magen David as a satanic façade in order to obscure the true demonic history of the Star of Remphan. Even its designation as the shield of David is a misnomer. With no scriptural basis and all the evidence of evil and death attending this symbol prior to the 19th century, the hexagram is surely not God's choice for the symbol of Israel. This symbol does remind me of the propensity for the ancient Israelites to worship the true God and other gods concurrently.

We therefore have the usurper, the so called star or shield of David, competing with the menorah, the original Jewish symbol for precedence.
 
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My posts conflict with your beliefs, so they are 'silly'?
Rather than asking questions and poking the finger at those who post unpalatable truths, either change your beliefs or refute them with proper honest rebuttal.

The Star (Shield) of David, also called Magen David, is a relatively new Jewish symbol. Supposedly, it represents the shape of King David's shield (but there is no rabbinic support for that claim).

Is there any theological significance to the symbol? Some claim that the top triangle strives upward, toward God, while the lower triangle strives downward, toward the real world. Others note that the intertwining represents the inseparable nature of the Jewish people. Still others claim the three sides stand for the three types of Jews: Kohanim, Levites and Israel. A similar claim could be made for the three major movements. However, these theories have little basis in historical fact.

What is the history?

Intertwined equilateral triangles is a common symbol in the Middle East and North Africa, where it supposedly brings good luck. Originally, it was primarily associated with magic or family/community insignia. Its geometric symmetry made the symbol popular in many cultures. A common claim is that the upward triangle represents female sexuality, and the downward triangle represents male sexuality; combined, they symbolize unity and harmony. In alchemy, the two triangles symbolize "fire" and "water"; together, they represent the reconciliation of opposites.

The menorah served as the primary Jewish symbol, not the star.

Some historians have attempted to trace the star back to King David; others trace it to Rabbi Akiva and the Bar Kokhba ("son of the star") rebellion (135 CE); still others trace it to the kabbalists, especially Rabbi Isaac Luria (16th century). However, there is no documented evidence of these claim. Instead, evidence suggests that the early use of the star was limited to "practical Kabbalah", probably dating back to the 6th century. It is connected in legend with the "Seal of Solomon," which was a signet ring used by Solomon to supposedly control demons and spirits.The original ring was inscribed with the Tetragrammaton; but medieval amulets imitating the ring substituted the six-pointed star or five-pointed star, often accompanied by rampant lions. Hence, the star was called the "Seal of Solomon."

In any case, over time, the star replaced this menorah, while the five-pointed pentagram became identified with the Seal of Solomon. The star was also widely regarded as a messianic symbol, because of its legendary connection with David, ancestor of the Messiah. On Sabbath eve, German Jews would light a star-shaped brass oil lamp called a Judenstern (Jewish star), emblematic of the idea that Shabbat was a foretaste of the Messianic Age.

The star has achieved its status as the most common and universally recognized sign of Judaism and Jewish identity only since 1800. In the 17th century, it became a popular practice to put Magen Davids on the outside of synagogues, to identify them as Jewish houses of worship in much the same way that a cross identified a Christian house of worship. In Vienna, the Jewish quarter was separated from the Christian quarter by a boundary stone inscribed with a hexagram on one side and a cross on the other, the first instance of the six-pointed star being used to represent Judaism as a whole, rather than an individual community.

The star gained additional popularity as a symbol of Judaism when it was adopted as the emblem of the Zionist movement in 1897. Theodor Herzl chose the Star of David because it was so well known and also because it had no religious associations. In time, it appeared in the center of the flag of the new Jewish state of Israel and has become associated with national redemption. The symbol continued to be controversial for many years afterward. When the modern state of Israel was founded, there was much debate over whether this symbol should be used on the flag.

During the Holocaust, the Nazis chose the yellow star as an identifying badge required on the garments of all Jews. After the war, Jews turned this symbol of humiliation and death into a badge of honour.

Nowadays, the Star of David is the most universally recognized symbol of the Jewish people, even though it has no religious content or scriptural basis.

The Star of David

Opposition to the hexagram star symbol necessitated significant revisionist propaganda in order to transform it into an acceptable Jewish symbol. The saying: "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it" is attributed to Joseph Goebbels. The often repeated revised explanation for the hexagram star is as follows:

"The two blue stripes represent a tallit or prayer shawl, and both sides of the split Red Sea that the Hebrews walked through as written in the Book of Exodus."
"The Star of David also represents the Jewish identity of Israel, as well as the culture and history of the Israeli people."


In reality; what was the star of Remphan, an Egyptian deity, morphed into the occult Seal of Solomon and the Rothschild Hexagram via the Illuminati Hexagram. I view Magen David as a satanic façade in order to obscure the true demonic history of the Star of Remphan. Even its designation as the shield of David is a misnomer. With no scriptural basis and all the evidence of evil and death attending this symbol prior to the 19th century, the hexagram is surely not God's choice for the symbol of Israel. This symbol does remind me of the propensity for the ancient Israelites to worship the true God and other gods concurrently.

We therefore have the usurper, the so called star or shield of David, competing with the menorah, the original Jewish symbol for precedence.

Unpalatable truths? They are conspiracy theories. I am not going to waste my time on such silliness.

Kind of like the Christian cross...??

"During the Holocaust, the Nazis chose the yellow star as an identifying badge required on the garments of all Jews. After the war, Jews turned this symbol of humiliation and death into a badge of honour. "
 
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The most commonly referred to passage is in John 5:43.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

But it is not just from that passage alone. It takes the understanding of what the term the "Christ" means in a Jewish context. (and then attaching the prefix "anti", which can mean either instead of, or against, or both in the case of the Antichrist.

In the Jewish context, the Christ (the "mashiach" is the transliterated word they use) is not what Christians automatically default to, as meaning Savior of our souls. Which is because of our prime Christian mission is to get people saved.

In the Jewish context, the messiah is a specific anointed (chosen by God) person who will become the King of Israel, descended from King David, to bring in the messianic era - which features among other things "peace and safety" for the world.

OK ..Thanks . I wondered if it were a more specific reference than that since I have heard this from time to time all of my life . I am a bit wary of assumptions and preconceived notions since that was potentially the reason the Jews failed to see Jesus as the one anointed by God . They were expecting a King rather than an ugly nobody from po-dunk Nazareth with a possible deformity . Jesus said that the deception will be so great that if it were possible , even the very elect would be deceived . That is pretty strong deception .
I can't imagine the very elect being almost deceived by an individual unless the elect are looking at something incorrectly due to preconceived notions .

Regarding getting people saved , I was talking with a brother today and he was saying that our primary mission was making disciples.
I wonder if the body of Christ is already deceived regarding certain facts we regard as being so , and then build a foundation on popular but false assumptions .
Things like equating secular Israel with the Israel of God , etc. That is one that jumps out at me regarding end times prophecy .
 
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the Jewish people "post 70AD" have been historically scattered throughout the world. This has been a design to get rid of them, as they had no homeland to call their own. When races do not have a homeland to call their own and they emigrate all over the world, they tend to become absorbed within the given nation they end up in, and bred out within a few generations.

Which is exactly what happened... although another consequence of this "breeding out", is a "breeding in", whereas now, all 7 BILLION people on earth have some "Jewish Identity" bred into them:

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity


The fact that there is still a Jewish identity, after being a historically wandering people over the last 2 thousand years, is nothing short of a providential miracle.

Define Jewish Identity?
Is it Religious? Cultural? Genetic?
What is it?

And If all 7 billion of us have it, it isn't as much a miracle as it is the fulfillment of Genesis 17:4-5, is it?


They are now in Israel and their capital is Jerusalem. That means something.

Not if the "they" are peoples who:
1)can't trace their Lineage to before 70AD
and
2) Don't follow the Law of Moses

What does scripture call people who:
1) Can't trace their Lineage to Jacob/Aaron
and
2) Don't follow the Law of Moses

??

They can't all be "imposters"

However, Apparently, according to Genetics, we can all be "Jews"!
 
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However, Apparently, according to Genetics, we can all be "Jews"!

No. Even a few thousand years isn't enough to claim the Jews interbred with the rest of humanity and now we are all in some sort of genetic equilibrium as if humanity is a pot of soup and we just added an ingredient and stirred it around
 
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