Greenland lost 2 billion tons of ice... yesterday
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What was predicted?
In 2006, CBS’s Hannah Storm Claims Katrina-like Storms Will Happen ‘All Along Our Atlantic and Gulf Coastlines.’
Did it happen?
No. Case closed. Stop making up claims to argue against. That was the prediction based on climate change and it didn't happen.
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Guys, let's focus here. Clearly KW thinks that the pronouncement made by Mike Tidwell is very important and something that every scientist and policy maker took seriously because Mike Tidwell is a a world renown climate scientist, right?
Oh, he's not even a scientist at all. He's an activist, author and filmmaker.
Mike Tidwell - Chesapeake Climate Action Network
And remember how every other climate scientist and activist took him totally, 100% seriously? Ooops, that never happened.
The Mike Tidwell Dilemma, Part I
Tidwell's is a post-Katrina book written in anticipation of future disasters. It argues that global warming will devastate us due to the double whammy combination of rising seas and stronger hurricanes. As one of the many, many folks who predicted Katrina before it happened (in his previous book Bayou Farewell), Tidwell also draws a broad analogy between the failure to prepare for that disaster and our failure to prepare for global warming.
I take no issue with Tidwell's discussion of sea level rise. Whether the phenomenon will be catastrophic or not remains to be determined; it depends greatly upon how much warming we allow and the stability of the ice sheets. Without a doubt, though, sea level rise is a part of the future that every coastal city must grapple with.
But Tidwell's sixth chapter on the hurricane-global warming relationship–“Killer Hurricanes: Exporting Katrina to the World”–made my jaw drop.
Following Katrina, many environmentalists seized upon hurricanes as a new public relations tool to dramatize global warming. And this was either defensible or indefensible depending entirely upon how cautiously or incautiously it was done. Hurricanes will most assuredly change as a result of global warming, and there's an ever increasing volume of scientific work on this. But as with many issues at the intersection of climate and weather, the subject is also exceedingly complex and rife with uncertainty.
So while it's more than fair to discuss the hurricane-global warming relationship, it's also easy to go overboard in doing so. Alas, Tidwell falls heavily into that trap.
I take no issue with Tidwell's discussion of sea level rise. Whether the phenomenon will be catastrophic or not remains to be determined; it depends greatly upon how much warming we allow and the stability of the ice sheets. Without a doubt, though, sea level rise is a part of the future that every coastal city must grapple with.
But Tidwell's sixth chapter on the hurricane-global warming relationship–“Killer Hurricanes: Exporting Katrina to the World”–made my jaw drop.
Following Katrina, many environmentalists seized upon hurricanes as a new public relations tool to dramatize global warming. And this was either defensible or indefensible depending entirely upon how cautiously or incautiously it was done. Hurricanes will most assuredly change as a result of global warming, and there's an ever increasing volume of scientific work on this. But as with many issues at the intersection of climate and weather, the subject is also exceedingly complex and rife with uncertainty.
So while it's more than fair to discuss the hurricane-global warming relationship, it's also easy to go overboard in doing so. Alas, Tidwell falls heavily into that trap.
So in summary:
- I'm skeptical that KW actually saw the CBS Morning Show interview and it's far more likely that his "hearing" about Tidwell came from Antony Watts.
- Watt's makes no mention of the fact that Tidwell is merely an environmentalist and activist, not a scientist.
- Instead of his views being embraced and promoted by climate scientists and science advocates, he was criticized for his histrionic hyperbole.
I'm sure though that we'll be hearing this same claim from KW in the future though.
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Your argument is akin to saying that because one person managed to make it through a firefight unscathed, all the predictions about getting shot were totally bogus.
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Really? Obviously you didn't actually read the link.
CBS news anchor Hannah Storm featured climate alarmist Mike Tidwell on The Early Show to discuss his book, “The Ravaging Tide.” “I think the biggest lesson from Katrina a year later is that those same ingredients, you know, a city below sea level hit by a major hurricane, will be replicated by global warming all along our Atlantic and Gulf Coast lines,” Tidwell said on August 24, 2006. Tidwell then went on to claim that cities all along the coast would be underwater due to increased hurricane activity and intensity “unless we stop global warming.”
That NBC report included climatologist Stephen Schneider who said, “humans won’t make the storms, but we can make them a little stronger than they otherwise would have been.”
Reporters were quoting so-called experts. Realize, of course, that disproved claims of leftists over a decade old are hard to find when Google scrubs such inconvenient truths. Here are some other gems.
“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000,” claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. “This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either.
“By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people,” he claimed. “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today.”
In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) warned that imminent sea-level rises, increased hurricanes, and desertification caused by “man-made global warming” would lead to massive population disruptions. In a handy map, the organization highlighted areas that were supposed to be particularly vulnerable in terms of producing “climate refugees.”
The 2005 UNEP predictions claimed that, by 2010, some 50 million “climate refugees” would be frantically fleeing from those regions of the globe.
On June 30, 1989, the Associated Press ran an article headlined: “UN Official Predicts Disaster, Says Greenhouse Effect Could Wipe Some Nations Off Map.” In the piece, the director of the UNEP’s New York office was quoted as claiming that “entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000.”
In its final 2007 report, widely considered the “gospel” of “settled” climate “science,” the UN IPCC suggested that Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035 or sooner. It turns out the wild assertion was lifted from World Wildlife Fund propaganda literature.
Among other outlandish scenarios envisioned in the report over the preceding decade: California flooded with inland seas, parts of the Netherlands “unlivable,” polar ice all but gone in the summers, and surging temperatures. Mass increases in hurricanes, tornadoes, and other natural disasters were supposed to be wreaking havoc across the globe, too. All of that would supposedly spark resource wars and all sorts of other horrors. But none of it actually happened.
The Pentagon report even claimed there was “general agreement in the scientific community” that the extreme scenarios it envisioned could come to pass, and reporters treated it as if it were a prophecy delivered to climate sinners by God Himself.
Much of this has been scrubbed from the web. However pretending that a reporter made this up and wasn't reporting what the "experts" had claimed is quite simply dishonest.
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Glacier National Park in the USA has some of the most spectacular mountain scenery anywhere. At its founding in 1910 there were 150 glaciers. When I visited in 1969 there were still about 100. In 2015 there were just 26 remaining --- all very reduced in size. Park staff expect them all to be gone by mid century. The same thing is happening in every glaciated area all over the world.
https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/retreat-glaciers-glacier-national-park?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/retreat-glaciers-glacier-national-park?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
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Some have said the earth is flat.
Who cares what they say? They are wrong and unsupported by science.
Why do you keep listening to individuals who are wrong when the VAST majority of climate scientists (that is to say, as a GROUP, not with their individual theories) are consistently being proven right?
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Its been asserted in this thread, by @USincognito, why not disagree with him?
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